So first angel is clearly Imperius.
I want to fight Imperius.
We all agree that I get to fight Imperius, or do some heathens believe he will be a friendly NPC or a pure storycharacter not directly involved?
Cause... I really want to fight Imperius.
Edited by Slai#2543 on 29/04/2012 22:15 BST
Anyone who read the Sin War triologi, knows that Imperius can't be a friendly NPC.
He'd rather slaughter humanity as to get help from them, or to help them. So I hope it'll be a boss, wouldnt mind killing that self righteous sob.
But then again stories can be altered that we actually fight with him, hope it isnt that way though. One can only speculate now.
00:10. Is that Mephisto? Looking at the Book of Cain image of Mephisto, his hands look exactly the same, 2 arms in foreground, 2 in background - only Mephisto had 4 arms of the 3 brothers. So either Mephisto makes an appearance or Diablo hybrid with all 3.
Edit: Some are arguing it is Diablo but skinnier - hybrid prime evils. Or the form of Diablo in the video is his real form since the ones we saw before came from transformations from humans that manifested their versions of terror.
Edited by Gravitic#2843 on 30/04/2012 00:49 BST
Spoil everything at your own "risk"
Also, if you read into the prophecy a bit, there is some good reason to assume that this dude here is pulling some major strings behind the scenes:
Edited by RoNin#1416 on 30/04/2012 05:07 BST
I always liked that Diablo was very black and white, good vs evil. The grey area between is quite interesting, but the "prime" angels shouldn't be inherently evil (and if the ignorance and merciless genocide he wants to do to humankind isn't a sin, I don't know X)
The story about the angelic dictator Imperius seems retconned and not believable (Valor turns to wrath). It might have been in the books, but only the games are canon to me. If there is a traitor in the heaven, it should have been some smaller angel somehow corrupted. But Imperius is evil without corruption. Exterminating humankind, killing little kids and whatnot is not Valor. It feels like a lame and lazy approach to create drama.
Angels and God imho are the concept that something truly good exists, outside the human limitation of always being good AND evil at the same time.
The conclusion imo is that the heavens are just as weak and flawed as humans.
So I'm pretty sure we gonna fight Imperius.
Diablo never was very black and white. You got rid of a threat in the form of demons in the first one, as they were terrorizing the village and causing trouble.
In Diablo 2 it was the same deal.
The only reason you havent fought the Heavens is because they havent bothered to interfere at all.
How is it Valor to allow the Prime Evils to rampage Sanctuary for ages and do nothing to stop them?
Imperius isnt EVIL. Imperius wants what he believes is the best thing for the High Heavens. Just because you dont share his belief, doesnt make him evil.
Valor is in the eyes of the beholder. Look at two sides of war. Both sides think they are in the right.
Angels arent the Angels of biblical mythology at all, so theres no God involved at all.
Angels are the exact same as Demons, but inherently made from Order, whereas Demons are spawned from Chaos.
I myself dont believe in "good" or "bad", that it all depends on your viewpoint. Hitting a woman is bad, sure, but if you come home from work and your wife has drowned two of your kids and is working on the third, Id be quite ok to run over and clock her then.
That's what I mean, Imperius doesn't stand for Valor, as he didn't bother to help humans to fight his own arch enemies.
The book of cain mentions that he wanted to destroy sanctuary and exterminate humans (being born of angels and demons). IMO that's inherently evil. Of course he's obviously getting set up to be the new bad guy (wonder if it's the expansion or D3)
You need to see his PoV. He considers humans as an abomination. No better than the demons. He wouldn't fight side by side with demons and he wouldn't fight side by side with humans. He doesn't see what Tyrael sees in humans. That's why he would rather annihilate whole sanctuary. To cleanse the world of ALL evil. Full blown evil demons and half evil humans. So iradicating all of evil in the universe doesn't seem like "the evil" thing to do :).
The difference is that he doesn't see the potential in humans. That doesn't mean he's evil.
And angels aren't the protectors of Sanctuary so I don't see the reason why would they do anything against Prime Evils rampaging the sanctuary. If they did come down to Sanctuary (Tyrael in D2), it would mean they broke the deal between them and Uldyssian, which they kept since the end of Sin Wars (thousands of years). And that's the reason why Tyrael is exiled. Because he meddled in human affairs.
It's hard to see the motivation behind purely good characters, because extermination and annihilation are words connected with something evil.
But if you said he's evil because he wants to erradicate the Burning Hells, it wouldn't be really evil now would it?
In Imperiusus' eyes humans don't have enough power to overcome their evil side. He doesn't consider humans as good-doers. He considers them evil-doers because he just can't sin. Ability to sin is exclusive for demons and humans as ability to do good is exclusive for humans and angels. He sees the difference between humans and angels opposed to Tyrael seeing the part which connects angels and humans.
So what i wanted to say is that it's just a point of view :)
And what of Izual? Gotcha! ;-)
Actually Izual plotted with prime evils after he was tortured and corrupted in the Burning Hells. Imperius never layed foot in hell. Izual used to be Tyrael lietenaunt and virtuos. The ability of evil to corrupt seems to be the biggest reason behing Imperius' cleansing of the universe from ALL the evil (including Sanctuary).
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