Diablo® III

I played WoW for PvP. Done with that crap. :P

Unless you make a PvP centric game, there´s no hope to make a game such as this fun and balanced. Trust me, it´ll be better this way.

this^

30/04/2012 06:22Posted by Gaidax

You either allow RMAH items in PvP and then it is basically the dude who has tons of money wins

>Implying that gear is the way to win PvP. No skill is needed or what?
>Implying that it is impossible to farm gear. You haven't realised that the items on the RMAH comes from somewhere?

Please... You're very naïve when it comes to the RMAH.

i love this thread :D

30/04/2012 01:09Posted by Ahegreg

You really have no clue how many people actually love pvp or competitive play, do you? Its more like 70-80% of the active players. Alot of players (mostly the older players) will quit the game after reaching level 60, they are not interested in doing 1000 farming runs to get gear just to do pve faster and easier. They buy the game to check out the content, after they are done they will leave.

yes ofc all the hardcore "older" players that even made d2 what it is are just gonna play throu normal and delete the game haha :D lovin this :DDD

30/04/2012 01:24Posted by Rastafarian

try 90% lolol pve noskill newb.

love how ignorant the wow players are.. diablo universe was always around pve and coop play.. thats what made it good and thats what d3 is all about. PvP is just a bonus feature that u might or might not want to play. Of all the ppl i know NONE care about pvp. And me personally for spending thousands of hours in d2 i think i got no more than 3-4 duel matches.

Now blizzard said in countless threads they CANNOT balance the pvp in WoW. First why would the compete with wow making a simular game?! Second how do you expect to balance the PvP in diablo when all items with no exceptions are random generated?!

So before you call someone PvE noob go play some starcraft and get skills. Thats a game that is perfectly well balanced and is entirely about PvP! Only skills and experience matter there not how much cash you have invested or how much luck you have of finding a better unit for example. But yes i know starcraft is too complex for many ppl so they stick to the simple wow pvp and think they are pros :)

Love the kids nowadays

30/04/2012 08:41Posted by Boe

You either allow RMAH items in PvP and then it is basically the dude who has tons of money wins

>Implying that gear is the way to win PvP. No skill is needed or what?
Please... You're very naïve when it comes to the RMAH.

actually yes. Gear matters extremly in pvp situations. If you both go into eachother naked you might call that "balanced" for a game like d3. BUT If one has t2 on and the other t10 .. the second guy will laugh at the first and 1 hit him .. and thats not cuz he is skilled.. its jut cuz he has the gear. You know in d3 there are over 13 resist types. Now think about the different gear and all the armor, spell, cc mitigation that comes with the good gear.

You are the naive one ;)

I played WoW for PvP. Done with that crap. :P

Unless you make a PvP centric game, there´s no hope to make a game such as this fun and balanced. Trust me, it´ll be better this way.

this^

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30/04/2012 08:56Posted by Warangel

>Implying that gear is the way to win PvP. No skill is needed or what?
Please... You're very naïve when it comes to the RMAH.

actually yes. Gear matters extremly in pvp situations. If you both go into eachother naked you might call that "balanced" for a game like d3. BUT If one has t2 on and the other t10 .. the second guy will laugh at the first and 1 hit him .. and thats not cuz he is skilled.. its jut cuz he has the gear. You know in d3 there are over 13 resist types. Now think about the different gear and all the armor, spell, cc mitigation that comes with the good gear.

You are the naive one ;)

If you read and understood my post, you would know, that I meant to say, that gear was not the ONLY thing, that mattered. Of course gear is important and of course someone who has been farming his gear for weeks has a huge advantage over someone who just dinged 60 and therefore has no gear.

What I meant to say there are a lot of other factors to PvP other than resistance. What about knowledge of how to kite? An undergeared player could just kite the overgeared player around until the overgeared players health is drained and he dies. Or if the undergeared player has a better build with more stuns, knockbacs etc and therefore disables the overgeared players build.

What I am saying is, that if you're actually skilled at PvP, then you shouldn't fear people who have bought all their gear from the RMAH just because they have uber gear. If they are also skilled, then yes, you have a problem, but that is more because of their PvP skill than their gear.

Look at it this way: If you had the best bike in the world and Lance Armstrong (in his prime) had a bike that only just functioned, then Lance would probably still finish le tour de france before you. In this example Lance's gear is a lot worse than yours, but because of his skills he still beats you.

dear OP, where do you get your numbers? thatisall.

actually yes. Gear matters extremly in pvp situations. If you both go into eachother naked you might call that "balanced" for a game like d3. BUT If one has t2 on and the other t10 .. the second guy will laugh at the first and 1 hit him .. and thats not cuz he is skilled.. its jut cuz he has the gear. You know in d3 there are over 13 resist types. Now think about the different gear and all the armor, spell, cc mitigation that comes with the good gear.

You are the naive one ;)

If you read and understood my post, you would know, that I meant to say, that gear was not the ONLY thing, that mattered. Of course gear is important and of course someone who has been farming his gear for weeks has a huge advantage over someone who just dinged 60 and therefore has no gear.

What I meant to say there are a lot of other factors to PvP other than resistance. What about knowledge of how to kite? An undergeared player could just kite the overgeared player around until the overgeared players health is drained and he dies. Or if the undergeared player has a better build with more stuns, knockbacs etc and therefore disables the overgeared players build.

What I am saying is, that if you're actually skilled at PvP, then you shouldn't fear people who have bought all their gear from the RMAH just because they have uber gear. If they are also skilled, then yes, you have a problem, but that is more because of their PvP skill than their gear.

Look at it this way: If you had the best bike in the world and Lance Armstrong (in his prime) had a bike that only just functioned, then Lance would probably still finish le tour de france before you. In this example Lance's gear is a lot worse than yours, but because of his skills he still beats you.

sorry but i dont agree. I can give you a contra example.

u have schumacher with a moskwitch and me with a aston martin on a straight run. I doubt schumacher will win no matter how good he drives :)

Skill matters extremly only in games where its pure 1v1 and there aint no handicap at all. Take Chess for example or tennis or golf.

If you read and understood my post, you would know, that I meant to say, that gear was not the ONLY thing, that mattered. Of course gear is important and of course someone who has been farming his gear for weeks has a huge advantage over someone who just dinged 60 and therefore has no gear.

What I meant to say there are a lot of other factors to PvP other than resistance. What about knowledge of how to kite? An undergeared player could just kite the overgeared player around until the overgeared players health is drained and he dies. Or if the undergeared player has a better build with more stuns, knockbacs etc and therefore disables the overgeared players build.

What I am saying is, that if you're actually skilled at PvP, then you shouldn't fear people who have bought all their gear from the RMAH just because they have uber gear. If they are also skilled, then yes, you have a problem, but that is more because of their PvP skill than their gear.

Look at it this way: If you had the best bike in the world and Lance Armstrong (in his prime) had a bike that only just functioned, then Lance would probably still finish le tour de france before you. In this example Lance's gear is a lot worse than yours, but because of his skills he still beats you.

sorry but i dont agree. I can give you a contra example.

u have schumacher with a moskwitch and me with a aston martin on a straight run. I doubt schumacher will win no matter how good he drives :)

Skill matters extremly only in games where its pure 1v1 and there aint no handicap at all. Take Chess for example or tennis or golf.

So anyone with just slightly better gear than you would be able to beat you in PvP? Guess you should just stick to PvE until you're full legendary then :)

You want PvP you play Tekken or Mortal Combat.

Diablo PvP is stupid and pointless.

29/04/2012 23:48Posted by Cybersnake

In my honest opinion more than 60% of people love pvp (60% is just a humble representation of the real number)

I heard 89.6% statistics are made up on the spot.

statistically people have 1.9 legs

You either allow RMAH items in PvP and then it is basically the dude who has tons of money wins

you know how the matchmaking will work?
If you do, then you know why this statement is false.

Matchmaking will use gear to match you up with others. If you buy gear, you will face better geared people.

So no, RMAH won't mean you pay more you win more.

60%, number out of Your hat I guess. :)

Now seriously, what is wrong with what he said? Balancing the same skill for PVE and PVP might be difficult. Like WD or DH needs more crowd controll, ideally to have his/her distance from mobs all the time. But what if this happens in PVP and these characters kite barbarian around the whole arena without him even touching them? Would You then suggest some spells should have their PVE and separate PVP stats?

Not as easy as it seems...

sorry but i dont agree. I can give you a contra example.

u have schumacher with a moskwitch and me with a aston martin on a straight run. I doubt schumacher will win no matter how good he drives :)

Skill matters extremly only in games where its pure 1v1 and there aint no handicap at all. Take Chess for example or tennis or golf.

So anyone with just slightly better gear than you would be able to beat you in PvP? Guess you should just stick to PvE until you're full legendary then :)

Except that in Diablo 3 "slightly" = whole hell of a lot... Some Legendaries/Set items in D3 are capable of pulling nearly twice the DPS of rare item.

Take 2 DH players, give one Manticore and another one a "mere" EG Doomcaster... The Manticore guy will crater the second dude before he will even be able to squeal "nerf".

So anyone with just slightly better gear than you would be able to beat you in PvP? Guess you should just stick to PvE until you're full legendary then :)

Except that in Diablo 3 "slightly" = whole hell of a lot... Some Legendaries/Set items in D3 are capable of pulling nearly twice the DPS of rare item.

Then it's not slightly better gear now is it?

Except that in Diablo 3 "slightly" = whole hell of a lot... Some Legendaries/Set items in D3 are capable of pulling nearly twice the DPS of rare item.

Then it's not slightly better gear now is it?

Except that how it works in D3... For example go to items section and see the wild difference between level 60 rares and legendaries. Crossbow one makes me smile, it's like almost 2x DPS, makes me wonder what properties are in it.

In WoW it is... Ooh a brand new tier item! A whole +10% power... Here it is all the way to the heaven like almost 2x in some cases.

Reminds me of Mass Effect 3, where I hacked process memory to give me millions of credits in multiplayer and got myself all the weapons at 10 rank, then proceeded to obliterate with obscene scores. Basically a free preview of RMAH.

If it is a 2xDPS change then it's not a Slight improvement...
A slight improvement would be like 5% dps gain.

the definition of slightly doesn't change because this is diablo 3.

yes some legendaries have higher dps than set items, doesn't mean they are a "slight" improvement. Infact, it's a huge improvement, in dps atleast. Doesn't matter if it's the "next" item in line or not.

Basically a free preview of RMAH.

No, because you won't hack to get money in RMAH, if so you will get banned quite quickly and they fix it fast.
An item you buy has to be found first, so if you can buy the best gear someone most likely already have the best gear.

And since matchmaking uses gear to determine oppponent, you will face that person. Aka you can't buy wins.
There is a reason they choosed gear for matchmaking you know.

If it is a 2xDPS change then it's not a Slight improvement...
A slight improvement would be like 5% dps gain.

That's the point mister... Everyone runs around with their "uber" 500 DPS crossbows and then some dude buys a legendary 900 DPS crossbow from RMAH, because he can and proceeds to own everyone.

Now I know, "skill blah blah", but honestly that's like nearly double damage of an already good item, right there.

That's the point mister... Everyone runs around with their "uber" 500 DPS crossbows and then some dude buys a legendary 900 DPS crossbow from RMAH, because he can and proceeds to own everyone.

I was commenting on your arguemtn saying "slight" better gear is 2x dps... where it's not, the other guy said slightly better gear... which means, slightly better gear.
maybe 540 dps instead of 525dps.

And no... you won't get teamed up against him... matchmaking system and all that.