Very well equiped monk here, tested out LOH, bought blackthorne's medal with 400 LoH, 14% ais, for 1.5 attack / sec , dunno what to say seems very overrated, LoH is obviously a good ability but ppl are overcharing and overpaying hard for it imho. I think LPS I almost as good as LoH and people aren't charging redic prices for it most consider it just a fluff ability....
No way the LoH on an item should add so much to the price of the value much less let you sacrifice much more important value as armor/res all/ dex.
Anyway thats my opinion anybody else out there who thinks te same or totally the opposite?
The main source of LoH is weapons, and top end weapons have 900 of it plus a socket (Star Amethyst is worth 300 LoH, and the highest tier offers 600 or 500 I don't remember for sure).
The average-decent weapon has around 700-800. Average is 500-600.
Of course you find it overrated when you're testing 400 of it when people run 600-700 minimum, with decent being around 1k and top end 1.5k.
It also relies on AS. Do you have any other sources of AS other than that Blackthorne's you bought? The more often you hit, the more you get out of LoH (being cpt. obvious here).
Edited by Thaya#1303 on 01/06/2012 19:57 BST
Look me up ingame then, I'd like to see it in action, I'm no random noob, obv I know it was just a small scale test. I got 40mil worth of gear. Obviously it aint worthless, but at current prices you can get way better stats for the price you pay for Loh. If i had endless funds I'd obviously buy items with resist all, armor, dex, vit and life on hit and Ias, what I am debating is wether the prices that are currently are asked for it are worth it.
small example, my weapon is 750 DPS axe, that I mainly bought for the stats it gave. its
Bought it at a bargain price of 600K, obviously its worth way more like 1-1.5 mil. What could I buy for 1-1.5 mil Lohwise? Very little imho, nothing that will make up the loss in hps, dps, life, armor, dodge boost this weapon gives me...
Now I'de like to see an LoH build show me their abilities ingame, plz just add me
Edited by Rhand#2671 on 01/06/2012 20:35 BST
You don't get it.
The only slots where you can get LoH on are rings, amulet and weapon. There are abysmal amounts of it on some legendaries (e.g. String of Ears belt), but that's negligible.
The amounts of LoH you can find on non-legendary rings/neck is most of the time abysmal as well. Blackthorne's neck is a good exception for the neck slot, and there's some legendary ring with a similar stat layout as well I forgot the name of - the only ring with good LoH on it.
But the biggest and most important source of LoH is weapon. This is the single biggest contributor of LoH on your gear even if you are decked in 100 million worth of gear.
It's not about "buying items with LoH on them", it's about "buying a LoH weapon". It's then also about getting AS on rings, neck and gloves, since that's a pretty standard for those slots. AS is an amazing DPS stat for us regardless, the fact that it boosts the healing per time we get from LoH is just a side effect, a very beneficial one however.
Edited by Thaya#1303 on 01/06/2012 20:42 BST
I am using a 600ish dps sword with 450 LoH and a socket;My attack speed is 2.26 per sec. My total LoH is 982 as of now.My monk's dps is around 8k. It takes me quite a while to kill elites but most of the time it is more than enough to sustain my heath pool without dying.There are combinations of affixes that i cant not actually fight head on on act 2 inferno but i am very under-geared for that anyway.
If i get lucky and raise mt dps to 10k and my LoH total to 1.25k;i am fairly confident that i can start farming act 2.
Come back when you've spent over a billion on items and then talk to us about it.
Get real people, the guy is just saying that charging 5mill for a freaking amulet that gives 400 LoH is overrated. He is not saying that LoH is useless.
@OP: I would change the word overrated with overcharged, for the simple minded.
Also he is saying that Life regen is frowned upon too much, when its obviously a very nice stat to have, especially when kiting. Having a 2k life regen/sec on a 30k hp monk is pretty good i'd say...
You should also realize, that you get the healing from LoH for EVERY mob you hit, so it indeed becomes more effective when you fight vs multiple enemies.
Also, effectivity of LoH is increased with your attack speed growing, not only by stacking LoH.
Its great stat, key for monks survivability imo.
I tried LoH with some low end weapons using gems to give me the effect. I got weird feedback though...
I was using 2 weapons with 6 life on hit gems on them both...
From every physical damage done (sometimes holy and lightning, but not always) instead of giving me 6 or 12 it gave back 9.... Not sure how these scale to be honest. And every additional mob gave back 9 as well...
lol noone said you are some random noob but that test was just not good.
its like when i would equip some 12% block shield and say block sucks.
you have to dedicate your build towards it with LoH on whichever item you can get
it on and 2 LoH weapons and the AS on gloves, rings and amulet.
there are some sick rings and amulets in the AH with LoH + AS + some neat extras.
getting your hands on those would be the icing on the cake but hell no that stuff
makes you poor.
i completely agree with you tho that LoH in the AH is way too expensive.
People are putting them up on AH for so much because people are paying that much for it, too much for it imho, hence its overrated, I dunno where I said it sucked? I said its not as good as people are paying for it or what people are sacrificing for it statswise.
And I obviously knew my test was just a simple one, I know LoH build is more then just buying an 1 item, but I can deduct something from it. I bought a fairly low priced blackthorne's medal for 4mil, well I hightly doubt ill be using it over my old 1.4 mil amulet.
You're just looking for too good items...
Of course rings and amulets with 15% AS and good LoH at the same time are expensive. They're either insanely rare or are legendary/set. Same thing with weapon - AS and LoH together on the item will increase its value immensely (on top of the visual DPS increase from the AS).
If you just look for a LoH weapon and AS rings, neck and amulet you'll find tons of affordable items. And that's pretty much the standard way to gear. Everything beyond that is going for pricey legendaries or named items. Sure there are comparable rares sometimes, but again, people are already aware of the value.
Edited by Thaya#1303 on 01/06/2012 21:38 BST
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