Diablo® III

As topic says.

Even after patch i have decided to stay on my build, wasn't that the whole point of the patch that people will have a choice of going res or glass cannon. Sadly at the moment there is no such thing as glass cannon build and if your trying to make one DONT!!.

Repair cost killed glass cannon builds and i wasn't against the change but after the patch you wont be able to get any any gold in fact you will lose so much gold you wont be able to play. Reason for that is as all glass cannon DH know when u hit on reflect pack its hard not to die at least once on inferno. ( Just don't give me that bull$#!^ that I'm a noob i should just use life steal.. or SS, problem is it works fine when your tanky and u have low DPS so on hit effect actually heals u furthermore getting 0.6% on average of actual life steal is just pointless When u crit u just die period). 100k crit gives u 600 life (3% life steal) if I'm not wrong while reflect deals loads especial when u use multi-target skills on packs.

Almost half of the monsters your going to encounter will have reflect so here is my question to blizzard: why not make all of them reflect since result will be the same you wont put ppl in bad position spending gold on items trying to make a build they want to and after they reach some decent DPS they realize its impossible to play.

This is how i see it and yet i will continue to play GC cos this is how i like to play, use skills jump around and actually move instead of going tanky staying in one place since nothing cant kill you and this is prob the best build at the moment res + dmg reduction that DH gets from traps turret etc.

Also i do realize that reflect was done to counter going full DPS and 1 shot everything but is that really happening while were having all those powerful combinations on elites?

IMO game is becoming another brainless hack n slash when u stay in 1 spot kill loads of monsters without breaking a sweat. Funny part before the patch 1st guy to kill diablo on inferno was a Barb and i can tell you one thing if inferno was hard for barbs without decent gear before, now for 10mils you can tank almost everything in act 3 inferno.

Sorry for spelling or grammar mistakes just got up played for a while and here it is ;p. Just wanted to share with you what i think. Happy farming :p

i dunno why ppl think that just because one stacks tank stats one has to stand still and facetank. i cant speak for everyone but the reason i stacked vit/res/armor to a point was so that i would not (always) die when i made mistakes while kiting or just not paying attention momentarily.

if u think back on diablo2, if u wandered into hell diffculty then with pure dmg item u would be at as low as -50% resist all (-80% in LOD), and anything dealing non-physical dmg would basically 1 shot u or deal enough dmg to stun-lock u to death. the patch merely corrected the mistake of a certain way of itemization being more viable than it should, no offense.

Dear sir, do you want some cheese with the whine??

21/06/2012 11:29Posted by Rowdy

Dear sir, do you want some cheese with the whine??

Its not whine its my option about GC DH i said i will still play it and try to enjoy it im just saying its way harder than any other build atm cos of repair costs this is what i meant and by that i just wanted to give a brief view for players who would like to do it.

21/06/2012 11:20Posted by Nights

i dunno why ppl think that just because one stacks tank stats one has to stand still and facetank.

Because u can ? You could always run around if you want to but if your gear goes really tanky you don't really need to and u will be able to kill everything as far as I've seen one DH face tanking inferno act 3 same way as monks and barbs do now do low DPS cannot be killed.

21/06/2012 11:20Posted by Nights

if u think back on diablo2, if u wandered into hell diffculty then with pure dmg item u would be at as low as -50% resist all (-80% in LOD), and anything dealing non-physical dmg would basically 1 shot u or deal enough dmg to stun-lock u to death. the patch merely corrected the mistake of a certain way of itemization being more viable than it should, no offense.

Its not Diablo 2 and the whole point is that blizzard wanted to have a variety of builds and seems like the only one is going low DPS res build even on the DPS characters which i believe were meant to be part of the group that stays behind and is protected by tanks supporters.

The whole point of this topic was as explained above to show how playing GC build looks like atm with high critz. If you cant say something relevant with supporting evidence don't comment at all. If this post seems like whine its my frustration about how much dmg you receive from reflect while having no option to counter it beside going tanky ( im not a 150 vit no res at all DH, i do have some res about 150-200each and 30k hp yet its nothing vs crit vs reflect). I just want to say my full respect for all GC DH :) and thank you for your comments every opinion is worth reading.

Because u can ? You could always run around if you want to but if your gear goes really tanky you don't really need to and u will be able to kill everything as far as I've seen one DH face tanking inferno act 3 same way as monks and barbs do now do low DPS cannot be killed.

that is a rly big if, with the exception of ppl like athene i doubt ppl will have enough gear to tank anything a3/a4 with fire chain, desecration, plague, molten, arcane enchanted or frozen, any time soon. and as long as gloom has less than 100% uptime u will most likely need to kite from time to time.

Its not Diablo 2 and the whole point is that blizzard wanted to have a variety of builds and seems like the only one is going low DPS res build even on the DPS characters which i believe were meant to be part of the group that stays behind and is protected by tanks supporters.

The whole point of this topic was as explained above to show how playing GC build looks like atm with high critz. If you cant say something relevant with supporting evidence don't comment at all. If this post seems like whine its my frustration about how much dmg you receive from reflect while having no option to counter it beside going tanky ( im not a 150 vit no res at all DH, i do have some res about 150-200each and 30k hp yet its nothing vs crit vs reflect). I just want to say my full respect for all GC DH :) and thank you for your comments every opinion is worth reading.

i think u mistook "builds" as "itemization style", glass cannon vs tank is a case of latter, everyone and their brother using NT is the lack of former

1. You obviously do not know how to play a DH since you die alot
2. You do not know how to counter reflects damage packs

Really learn your class

edit: i play full GC, did siege breaker run and died maybe 3 times (1 on the boss) and i'm farming all the champs/elites i can find.

21/06/2012 11:59Posted by Alon3k

If this post seems like whine its my frustration about how much dmg you receive from reflect while having no option to counter it beside going tanky

There is no such thing as "going tanky". Heck there is no such thing as "tank". This ARPG does not know class roles like "tank" "DPS" and "healer". Everyone needs to take care of there own defenses and life sustain. Just like everyone needs to do damage in order to kill.

At most there is the choice to go more defensive and life sustain over going more offensive "glass cannon" style. That, however, does not mean you can simple put all your eggs in 1 basket and just stack offensive stats. Defensive stats and life sustain still need to be considered and need to meat the minimum "gear check's" in place.

Damage reflect is one of those gear checks. You need to have enough defensive stats to reduce its damage to the point where your sustain can outheal it. Be it from life leech, life on hit, health regen, pots or health globes. Just like bosses have DPS gear checks with there enrage timers. Or treasure goblins jumping into a portal.

Problem is rly easy.

Glass Cannon (low life - tons wipe - big damage) buils, works well and u can play in Inf, and u have chance farm gear, gold, etc.

And now Monk tank build (very high Hp, maximalized All rez, no need Dex!!!!!!! and all def talent + bow not a fkin crossbow) work, and u can play in inf.

The problem is.

U need NEW gear! need gold! - u gear is trash now cya mill. (gold farming - not work)
U need learn new playstyle! need nervs (slow and boring)
Range is not imortant if u stand in melee range, not problem, DH Tank)

Yes but only 1 build work again!!!!!
Yes u doing hunter and u play whit monk, other anim... not a good ponit.

Diablo3 is a Facebookgame rly simple. But all player wana win, player always wanna Best talent and build. New talent is not a nice build :_G and rly boring.

100k crit gives u 600 life (3% life steal)

but if u dw 2 1h with 3% lifesteal = 6% life steal = 1200 hp per hit. Do u want to say that every hit gives u 1200 damage?
in fact if u have 20k hp and every hit makes u 1400 damage - that means -200 hp every hit so u can make 100 hits. 100 hits = 100 * 100k dps = u can make 10 000 000 dps. 10 mln damage is enough to kill elites on act 3, last time i played there (before 1.0.3) elites had 6 mln max (4/4 players - so in solo they have much less hp)

I think it's all about that u can't just go and kill everything without appropriate gear. So basically u say: u can't kill damage reflect without good life on hit/life steal gear - but there it is. This is supposed to be so.

agree with OP, blizzard is tossing DHs into a boring standstill and tank stuff build which is rather disgusting. instead of balancing the game properly they force everyone to tank and homogenize everything.

1. You obviously do not know how to play a DH since you die alot
2. You do not know how to counter reflects damage packs

1. I didn't say i die a lot i said i die at least once on reflect pack

2. As i said if u want to say something put some relevant supporting evidence like how do u do it saying that i don't know much about countering damage packs means nothing since you have no idea how i play what is my DPS or how much i crit nor i know yours so if you could share it i believe more than one player could learn something if there is anything to learn.

21/06/2012 12:09Posted by Nights

that is a rly big if, with the exception of ppl like athene i doubt ppl will have enough gear to tank anything a3/a4 with fire chain, desecration, plague, molten, arcane enchanted or frozen, any time soon. and as long as gloom has less than 100% uptime u will most likely need to kite from time to time.

Indeed your right here from time to time you need to move to avoid extensive elemental dmg but after kite. I'm not saying that u don't as its obvious.

21/06/2012 12:09Posted by Nights

i think u mistook "builds" as "itemization style", glass cannon vs tank is a case of latter, everyone and their brother using NT is the lack of former

My point of view is that there is no build without itemization since this work both ways items are the actual build since changing skills takes few seconds and you don't have to pay price therefore using correct set of skills with good combination of items is the key to have a successful character.

I do appreciate your option since you can actually say something relevant thank you its good to have some discussion. So please don't rage over me like I'm some kid that has no idea how to play. I cant really understand people commenting just to tell me how bad i am, maybe i am but posts like that wont help anyone so please if you have some massive knowledge on the topic and you could propose something do it cause at the moment this topic goes about me having no knowledge how to play instead of talking about reflect vs life steal on GC characters and your opinion on that since id say from what I've seen.

Keep commenting i think everyone loves some discussion :)

21/06/2012 13:05Posted by diablokiller

but if u dw 2 1h with 3% lifesteal = 6% life steal = 1200 hp per hit. Do u want to say that every hit gives u 1200 damage?

% life steal is reduced by 80% so when u have 6% life steal only 20% of that is your actual life steal as far as i know

I'm not using 1h xbows i since im using high crit build as i said and they have lower dps but yes 1h xbow seem as the only solution to the reflect but does it means that you cant play with 2h xbow if you want to escape reflect ?

21/06/2012 13:22Posted by Alon3k

2. As i said if u want to say something put some relevant supporting evidence like how do u do it saying that i don't know much about countering damage packs means nothing since you have no idea how i play what is my DPS or how much i crit nor i know yours so if you could share it i believe more than one player could learn something if there is anything to learn.

Not much to it, kite, stack crit chance with SS amd then shoot 3 shoots and use smoke screen, rince and repeat. All classes have some packs that sux for them.

21/06/2012 13:13Posted by Shauny

agree with OP, blizzard is tossing DHs into a boring standstill and tank stuff build which is rather disgusting. instead of balancing the game properly they force everyone to tank and homogenize everything.

sigh another person thinking that having to wear some +vit/res now means dh has to stand still and facetank... yea i can stand still vs packs of normal monsters, for 3 secs with gloom on. but elites in a3+ with even 1 anti melee affix will force u to kite them, thats how it was pre patch, and how it is now. ofc unless u want to stand in multiple desecration/purple laser/frost popcorn, and die a horrible death.

they are merely making it so that u need to get some defense stats, if u dont want to frustrate urself, just like in d2 hell difficulty. but apparently having to do that is being forced into a "build", funny thing is a build to blizz is a specific combination of skills, so how u itemize isnt even a build.

21/06/2012 13:25Posted by Lanfarg

Not much to it, kite, stack crit chance with SS amd then shoot 3 shoots and use smoke screen, rince and repeat. All classes have some packs that sux for them.

I know about that but its pretty much butchering yourself and it wont work on all elites with reflect, same as 1 mistake 1 crit and your pretty much dead. Ive been trying quite few ways of doing it but most of it ends with death same as when you play in group and you have a tank mobs have so much health that at some point your out of discipline and all you can do is stand there and wait.

21/06/2012 13:30Posted by Nights

sigh another person thinking that having to wear some +vit/res now means dh has to stand still and facetank...

Posting and refreshing is bit bad but cant u see were not talking about facetanking no one is at the moment. Were talking about reflect and how hard is to counter reflect while playing GC comparing to TANKY CLASS THAT CAN FACETANK REFLECT and by that game is promoting tanky builds instead of GC leaving all players with only one option to choose from considering the repair costs.

21/06/2012 13:30Posted by Nights

so how u itemize isnt even a build.

Sorry but i sens some rage, this game is all about items if you haven't seen skills are important but without correct items you cant progress in the game so saying statement that items isn't even a build is just wrong. This is not diablo 2 and where skills were the most important thing followed by items. In diablo 3 i believe its other way around items are the main build and correct set of skills works with it to have the actual class build as in many threads.

Thanks :)

see this is where our views differ, i think damage reflect is the intended to counter glass cannons, so u are basically trying to counter sissors with paper

getting more hp/resistance/loh, or having gloom and/or better timing on SS is the solution tho. never tried it myself but in theory entangling shot with bounty hunter seem like a good skill for such occassions as well. since it has a built in 6% life leech and slows enemies and does low dmg. also at ur health pool a mythic healing potion is prolly a full heal as well

Yeah still seem that you cant go just GC and i said it before that reflect was made to counter GC but in scenario tank nuke where elite has 8kk health problem is you cant be that dps that stays back and nukes. Id say 2 many monsters have reflect sometimes you can hit on 5 or 6 packs in row with reflect and when you have em with teleport its pretty much over.

I have 30k health with a crit on few targets im dead. Id say its not as much of having no reflect as having less reflect so it could be countered at least to some point that you can control whats going on. At the moment im missing smoke s. crit or 2 and im dead. I cant imagine DH with 150 vit going real full GC which is actually a full GC. But if i have 150 - 200 res which is low but im a GC and 30k hp and still im dead after crits its bit off IMO.

Also loh on GC dh with 2h xbows wont help at all since they do reflect more than you can get back and ive tried that it helps a bit but you still die from critz.

I guess conclusion for this topic is that only way to save yourself is to go bit more tanky/ 1hXbow with LoG/ low dps skills / low crit while what i wanted to do is high crit high DPS char that stays back and is supported by tanks this is how i was building for the party im in and atm when reflect elite comes in im pretty much 1/2 of the time waiting for discipline so i wont die or being forced to swap into low DPS bow with LoH just to do any dps at all or be sueful maybe other players have other solutions but this is how it is for me.

working as intended, go buy gear on RMAH, c'mon you already paid for the game, for your computer and your internet connection, why not for your gear?