Torchlight 2 anyone?
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TL1 is amateurish,bad art, bad engine and is made by 2 or 3 guys that didn't have a hit on their hands since they left the Blizzard stable. You have a HUGE problem. Anyone can play T1 and see how much that game blows against Diablo 3... Starting from the engine, the graphics, the complete utter lack of fun gameplay. And ending with the mediocre score on the internet website (D3 has 88%). T1 is made with 3 people who used to work for Blizzard and then were shown the door when "their project of D3" didn't make the grade. Bill Roper and Bravik were as unsuccesful with Hellgate as these guys above. There is ONE consistent rule up till now/ everyone who quit Blizzard North didn't produce anything decent in 9 years long. It shows. T1 can be played to try it out: there's your problem. 99% of the players who tried it wouldn't want to touch T1 with a 10 foot pool. hence that's why T2 will (if it ever gets published) cost 19 bucks. Amateurish at best. The complete lack of success haunts these guys now that they left "THE stable" and that's logical. You try to sell something made with 2 people and a horse and you want to beat a full production house with 160 artists and programmers and succesful game designers who PROVED something in the last 5 years. GL with that.
Edited by BenBoske#2907 on 24/08/2012 13:53 BST
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Yeah my huge problem is that Diablo 3 was so bad that a 3 year old, $15 Steam game made by two guys and a horse is superior to it. As the world's biggest Diablo fanboy, this was a HUGE goddam problem I can assure you. And as I said, Torchlight doesn't even begin till after the final boss is down. How far did you play it? Who should people believe, me who has racked up many hundreds of hours in both games, or you with your random (and hilariously mis-informed) Torchlight bashing? T1 can be played to try it out: there's your problem. 99% of the players who tried it wouldn't want to touch T1 with a 10 foot pool That must be why it sold in record numbers over Steam, back in the day. As for reviews: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight Torchlight gets 83 from 57 reviewers, and 88 from 500 users versus http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo D3 gets 88 from 85 reviewers (many of whom we KNOW Blizzard paid for their score), and 38 from 6500 users (tee hee, but totally justified; I personally give it 4/10) I guess those 2 guys and the horse did a much better job than you give them credit for.
Edited by Ghostlight#2542 on 24/08/2012 14:06 BST
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What happens is Torchlight 2. That game was developed in direct response the runaway and record-breaking success of the first one. |
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Here's the entire quote from the Reception section for Torchlight on wikipedia:
------- Writing for RPGamer, staff reviewer Anna Marie Neufeld praised Torchlight's "phenomenal music and great art direction" as well as its addictive combat but criticized the game's storyline as shallow. Rock, Paper, Shotgun reviewer John Walker found the core gameplay to be a highly focused and engaging refinement of the dungeon crawl genre, albeit one with a "tissue-thin" story and quests. In his review in Game Informer, Adam Biessener listed responsive controls, attractive animations and effects, and clever enemy designs as some qualities that set Torchlight above most other action RPGs. GameSpot's Brett Todd found the game's pace engaging, noting a deep variety of monsters and loot, but found the lack of multiplayer to be an omission. Several reviewers cited the game's low price as a positive point.The Australian video game talk show Good Game's two reviewers gave the game a 7/10 and 8.5/10. Many reviewers compared the game to the Diablo series, some describing it as the best Diablo-like game since Diablo II and "the best Diablo clone in years." Adam Biessener of Game Informer stated that "the soul of Diablo hasn't been so ably captured in years," and The Escapist's John Funk wrote "Torchlight absolutely nails the formula that made Diablo so addictive." PGamer stated that Torchlight "manages to overcome the Diablo expectations by being a game that can stand on its own merits." Satchmo on the blog PX2C gave an overall score of 9/10 saying that "It is a fine entry into a genre that doesn't have much representation on the Xbox". Torchlight won the Best Debut Game Award at the 2010 Game Developers Choice Awards. In July 2011, Torchlight sales surpassed 1 million copies ---- Jeez I hope that horse got a sugar lump after that amazing success! |
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I'm complaining that Diablo 3 is too brightly coloured and not nearly as dark and bland as the previous games. If I had to play a game that has toddler crayon drawings for concept art I'd bleed from my eyes. It's the same reason I could never pick up One Piece.
Even if everything else is spot on, if the visuals suck donkeyballs I ain't gonna bother. |
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The ONLY reviews that count are the professional critical acclaim reviews.
Coming up with such a useless mess like Metacritic users is simply a LAUGH. Those metacritic "voters" are not even players of a game. Those are multiple accounts created to trash talk and give 1/10 on ANY successful game these days. Just like you did. The vast majority of these negative D3 comments were even created HOURS after the launch. Itwill happen to any Blizzard game because that's how lunatics vote these days of the faceless internet. COD gets 2.2 on metacritic. Tell that to its 26 million players. As such I consider your attitude a laugh, because the problem is ... that anyone can LOAD up Torchlight 1 and see for themselves how idiotic the art is, the engine is and the playing style is. Comparing it within one sentence with Blizzard's Diablo 3 is the biggest joke in game design. ... the fact that some want even that Torchlight trash to promote here on a ... Blizzard site shows your attitude. Talking about a game that is sold at a price of a trash bin on launch ... tells everything really and for those doubting: just load it up ... and I bet it won't reside on your HD's longer than 2 hours top.
Edited by BenBoske#2907 on 24/08/2012 15:09 BST
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Already pre-ordered. I can't wait for the REAL Diablo experience! Some game, where items are actually gained by slaying monsters and it's fun. Not bussiness and trade. If I'd like speculation and economy - I'd play Monopoly. BigBrother is watching you! But it does not mean he sees EVERYTHING. If you are living in the world of illusion that makes you think, that looking up my on-line profile is enough to know everything about me... I believe it says more about your state of advance in the game/life/web understanding. I am not going any further with your ad personam comment. However, I'd like to add one more HUGE advantage of Torchlight 1 over Diablo 3. The character development. I love to customize my warrior with skills and abilities. The gendre is called Role-Playing Game. For God's sake I want to play a ROLE of a character/warrior. D3 took all this away. The characters are all linear with the same skill and stats sets at any given level. Be original - Drink Pepsi! The same as the other 5mld people around the world. Thank you very much! I'm out! |
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Already pre-ordered. I can't wait for the REAL Diablo experience! Some game, where items are actually gained by slaying monsters and it's fun. Not bussiness and trade. If I'd like speculation and economy - I'd play Monopoly. Sorry but this armory shows that you hardly played the game (normal - really at level 38 ...), yet you come up promoting ... another game that doesn't even ... exist. (TL2). As for the chirstmas trees that you need to replay every time you click another button: I don't think that if 3 months after launch you only played to lvl 38, you are simply not having fun when you would want to REDO all of it from scratch just to see another christmas tree of the same character. FRANKLY there is NO defence in wanting to have a skill tree you have to REDO from 0, once you made a clicking error or "did not know" where the tree would lead to. it is OLD game design, it is a WASTE of time to level 3 characters of the same class just to have 3 other lights on that tree lighten up. The new skill system is much more dynamic in D3, it is adapted to several different fights and it is ACTIVE and a player can adapt his/her playing style to it ... WITHOUT giving up dozens of hours. ------> And ... reading about your "fixed/customize" comments. DO you even PLAY with ELECTIVE mode selected ? (I wouldn't be surprised seeing you reached out to lvl 38 in ... normal)... There is not even a discussion here; the OLD christmas trees blow compared to what Blizzard is doing with the new dynamic skill system. --- Anyone with a right mind and a clear open vision would see the OLD NON changeable trees were obliterated by a new dynamic skill system that is much more powerful to adapt without getting hundreds of hours lost in meaningless space. Saying that "this is about RPG" is idiotic, as people in real life can relearn too. No one has to study elementary school 3 times over ... because he got a C minus in 10th grade....
Edited by BenBoske#2907 on 24/08/2012 15:30 BST
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Seems like 1 million people did just that and LIKED what they saw. You said Torchlight was designed by 2 guys. They sold 1 million. I believe D3 had 160 people and sold 6 million? Where's the most talent? LOL. Comparing it within one sentence with Blizzard's Diablo 3 is the biggest joke in game design. Torchlight is one of the best games I've played. D3 is just an average game and certainly about the biggest disappointment in gaming history for me personally. However the gameplay is very similar between them (although Torchlight is superior). Seems fair enough to mention them in the same sentence. ... the fact that some want even that Torchlight trash to promote here on a ... Blizzard site shows your attitude. My attitude is simpe. D3 is crap and deserves to lose all its players to a superior game, which I fully expect T2 will be. Talking about a game that is sold at a price of a trash bin on launch ... tells everything really and for those doubting: just load it up ... and I bet it won't reside on your HD's longer than 2 hours top. Yep, if you doubt me load it up. And I do not see what price has to do with it. If anything Torchlight's price just show how over-priced the non-game that is D3 actually is. You are totally negative on Torchlight, how about you justify your comments rather than troll. Saying a game is bad because you dislike the graphics simply makes you look stupid, so give us a more practical analysis. I gave many reasons why Torchlight is better in a post above, so let's hear your well-though-out arguments? If you want to go really in-depth, no problem. I'll even start by expanding one of my previous points...Torchlight has a superior difficulty curve and challenge to D3... Take Dark Zealots, Torchlight's most infamous enemies. First time you meet them they are tricky but you kill them. As you get deeper into the game and meet more of them, they get more and more abilties to use against you (Skeleton summoning, charge attack, poison bolts, lightning bolt etc) and more and more agressive in their use of those abilities. Their screen-crossing lightning bolts, for example, are not extensively used until late in the game by which time you have learned to utterly cower in fear of those particular enemies. Now, what is Diablo 3's equivalent difficulty curve for its late game Elites.....a random extra Affix and more damage and higher HP. WOW. Just wow. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. DId a 5-year old design that? Over to you. |
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it is OLD game design, it is a WASTE of time to level 3 characters of the same class just to have 3 other lights on that tree lighten up.The new skill system is much more dynamic in D3, it is adapted to several different fights and it is ACTIVE and a player can adapt his/her playing style to it ... WITHOUT giving up dozens of hours Pffft. in D3 IF you do respec you lose your NV stacks so they didn't even encourage variety their design was so bad, so not ACTIVE *at all*. Newsflash. You can respec your talent points from scratch in Torchlight any time you like. The big difference is in D3 you can repsec all day long and you still have a Demon Hunter with slightly different ranged attacks. In addition most skills and runes are utterly useless. In Torchlight you can take your Vanquisher (the class Blizzard ripped off for their Demon Hunter) do a quick respec and have a completely different play experience. My Vanquisher has been at one point.... a) Classic shooter style - very similar to DH b) Poison-based DoT shooting style with lots of explosions a) Entirely melee based using push-back skills and knock-back weapons to survive d) Trap-based with almost all passive indirect damage and lots of pets e) Half trap / half melee using myself to bait them into the correct path of specific trap combos f) Half trap / half shooting using the traps at distance to keep enemies away My Demon Hunter has always been just a Demon Hunter
Edited by Ghostlight#2542 on 24/08/2012 15:49 BST
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There you go! It's one thing I can fully agree with you. "Non-changeable" being the key. I would happily embrace a new christmas-tree skill system with the possibility of occasional reset and point re-distribution. For example some rare artifact, or quest reward that would enable re-distribution would be nice. Even though, the character building is still something that usually takes time. I know a few people, who realized at their 3rd semester at the University, that their passion for economics is non-existent. And guess what - some decided to start over. Or get admitted to another faculty right from the beginning. Not to mention many other bad or good choices we make everyday. Therefore I'm quite ok with the time-consuming choices I make, in contrary to choices made for me by THE ONE AND WHOLE-KNOWING Blizzard. |
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[...] That was true for the first few days but it is certainly not true anymore.
Considering the amount of mixed and bad scores I doubt that.
A vast majority of these were wiped by Metacritic a couple of days later what then remained was enough to let it slip far below it's initial 4.0 it went after that wipe. I doubt that since then we are looking at just 3 guys who created 2,000 new troll reviews.
Why not? It's the same genre. It's some of the same guys behind. It's the same playing perspective, the same basic concept, the same target audience.
https://twitter.com/bashiok/status/189006724546564098/photo/1 Seems some Blizzard employees have less issues with "Torchlight trash".
So indie games are all trash in your eyes because can't top that initial over-the-top price of Diablo 3? And yes it will last very long on my harddisk at least. Torchlight lasted years on that one.
Edited by Ravenblade#2540 on 24/08/2012 16:12 BST
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I didn't like Torchlight 1, so I don't think much of the 2nd version.
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I do not understand how people lightly compare TL and D3. Torchlight, for me, was a blast from the past. I enjoyed it (and still play it) when i want to get to that old school arpg like D1 and D2, nox etc. Artwork is a bit icky, but gameplay is smooth. Music is amazing.
I also like D3 because it is different. It is a sort of evolving the ARPG genre. I still don't know where it will go because the game is still updating and not finished! The point is that TL in not trying to be D3 (it was released years before D3) and TL2 is not trying to be D3 (because it has a totally old school system and a different approach). So, to me there is no point in comparing the game. The games we should compare are D3 and Path of Exile. When a ATOMIC BOMB erupted with the lack of the builds and skills, PoE offers that what gamers want. So there will be a torn to many sides in ARPG genre. This is a good thing because the ARPG was pretty neglected and those that were released were all the same thing. I am glad that ARPG now has 3 different ways: 1) ENORMOUS tree like character development (PoE) that can produce a dual wield staff mage, or something even crazier. 2) TL that has a nice world, ok story and a big community that is willing to continue upgrading the game through mods, maps etc. 3) And you have D3 that (in my eyes) offers something really interesting. At the end i see a game where you will play singleplayer and after you grow attached to that character you will be able to join challenges of pvp. Capture the flag, deathmatch. You will have Quacke 3 arena in diablo. LIke a FPS but different. It could be awesome or totally wrong. Depends on the Blizzard, of course. D3 lacks a dedicated community because there is a lot of turmoil because the game is different than what people were expecting. So please do not try to convince others that you are right. Just except that these games are different and I think that TL2 will be great. I do not count on the singleplayer. I count on custom maps (like SC2) and the mods that will be GREAT and NUMEROUS. Having this in mind, TL2 will bring many hours of fun and it can be played in LAN with friends. Another reason to buy TL2. On thursday the release date will be announced for TL2. I have preordered TL2 as the bottom point. Have a nice day! MR |
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Pre-ordered T2 and got T1 free.
Never heard of the game until played D3 and read about it on those forums. Loving T1, so hopefully T2 going to be even better. They are announcing T2's release date this Thurs, 30th August on runics forum :- http://forums.runicgames.com/ |
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Did not really like T1 so probably wont buy T2 unless I find myself extremely bored. Main issues of T1 was boring gameplay, single player only, did not enjoy the art style, and the story was not engaging at all.
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I'll probably check it out at some point but am not going to buy it unless it's on super sale. First one was enjoyable enough but didn't make me want to pre-order second one.
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