I agree with Sigi in that you are 100% wrong.
D2 was about duels/Pking, and the only reason people grinded for items was to equip their duelers.
You of course needed a character/s to farm, but farming was not the purpose itself but the way to improve your dueling characters.
Its idiotic to farm items just to farm better with no other purpose than farming...
The fun in D2 was to destroy other players and get their ears.
So yeah, PVP IS the Holy grial for a Diablo game, this is not WOW were you strugle to complete content.
I played D2 HC a lot, was part of a succesfull dueler clan and had lots of fun.
My D2 routine was:
- Farm for gear to equip farmer and/or dueler characters.
- Level new characters to duel in different lvl ranges (lvl 9 , lvl 2x, lvl 3x, lvl 99).
- Level new characters to refill the ones i eventually lost dueling.
- Duel other players.
- Declare hostility and try to hunt down other players (old style pking, what people do nowdays in D3 is just lame and involves no honor since opponents cant figth back or defend themselves)
- Kill players that tryed to declared hostility to me, aka pkk.
- Level new characters to get the "one-time" reward from some quests (soqueting, imbue).
- Farm for super rejuvenation potions to duel.
- Farm for mats to craft blood-gloves or blood jewelry.
- Trade with other players.
- Watch other players duel.
So yeah, im here playing D3 awaiting for dueling to come out, if doesnt feel like what i felt on D2, well ill quit, i bougth D3 because the lots of fun i had with D2.
In case you didn't understood what I wrote, let me repeat it...
As long as there is a rewarding aspect in farming (PvE), as long as there is a rewarding aspect in continous and repetitive game play, PvE is the main activity. Once PvE becomes pointless, once there is no purpose anymore, any rewarding aspect, PvP may become the purpose of gaming. However, PvP is a personal choice.
I also played D2, I PvP'd alot, but I spend most of the time farming high level runes. I had 48 mules (all in Full Sigon's) full of gear and runes for trading. I played HC exclusively aswell.
You mention 11 activities you did in Diablo 2, 3 of them are farming, 3 of them are leveling, 3 of them is PK/PvP. But the important thing is, that you farmed gear to equip duellers. So tell me where I am wrong? You beat the game, then you played PvE until you reached a goal, hence no more rewarding aspect, then you turned to PvP. You decided that you wanted to spend your time on PvP mainly, so did many others, but before you could, you needed to complete the two stages of PvE.
But Diablo 3 is NOT Diablo 2. In Diablo 2 you very quickly could farm the "essential" gear, or trade it. You probably also had a mule full of 5/6 socket shields/maces/chests/spears, runes, soj, etc. And if not, you could always spend a weekend farming bosses to get gear / runes.
You can NOT do that in Diablo 3. You can not go out and farm a nice Skorn, a set of IK armor and so on in a weekend.
That is what I mean, when I say, that there isn't and never can be a level playing field in Diablo 3.
01/01/2013 17:59So yeah, im here playing D3 awaiting for dueling to come out, if doesnt feel like what i felt on D2, well ill quit, i bougth D3 because the lots of fun i had with D2.
Posted by Tor0
That is the only reason there are players remaining, but once christmas vacation ends, players will begin to drop again, and then it is a race before the game officially only has 50,000 players and all of them are 1 hour per day kids who got the game last week.
But honestly, do you really believe that duels in Diablo 3 will be as in Diablo 2? Blizzard cannot even implement Monster Levels in public games. Unless they create open games with up to 8-12 players, for instance in Fields of Misery, I am afraid that you will become disappointed and quit.
And even if, there still are all the issues why PvP isn't realistic, class and skill issues, the 30% mitigation of Barbs/Monks vs other classes, EHP vs Million crits, etc.