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I definitely think more mob density would be nice, either as an option like monster power, or simply a few more monster packs in those big empty stretches we currently have. I for one liked the diablo 2 feel, where most everywhere you looked there were monsters all over your screen at first, and you sort of cleared the area little by little, and only the places you had already been would be "safe" to kite back into, but that may just be me >.>
Well, its just my opinion, but I dd love to increase mob density of ACT 3 in a first place, and then make all other ACTs equal :)
Ladies and gentlemen of Blizzard. I can think of three ways to handle monster density. The first two are straight forward, attach a higher monster density to higher monster power levels. The second would be when a party is created the monster density is increase per person in the party up to the maximum party.
The third takes some doing, which would be to increase the monster density by the area of the map being faught on.
What makes act 3 so attractive is the compact nature of it. If you think about it act 3 is just one big line. You spend little time searching for mobs couse you got only one destination - forward.
The other acts are too broad with a lot of "empty spots" and events. That's what makes em a chore of sorts, couse more or less you lose time you would have otherwise spent looting dead elites, compared to act 3 that is.
Events don't get in your way in act 3 and don't take additional space on the map. They kinda flow with the map.
In general - broad maps require more mobs, dungeons require at least one or two more levels, map randomization needs improvement couse there is little to none, events need to give more initiative to complete them.
Also the idea of adjustable monster density (as we can adjust monster power) is good.
Edited by Krystonosetz#2434 on 27/01/2013 22:51 GMT
increase mob density of all acts with MP active (MP1-10) roughly equivalent to current A3 mob density.
+1 Devastating hoards of enemies with wave after wave of meteor showers feels seriously badass. A1&A4 feel like a game of hide and seek. Much of A2 feels like a game of tag. tag and hide and seek aren't entirely bad, but they don't feel very diabloish.
Something that could be added on top of this is an increase in mob density with monster power. As you got higher on the MP scale, things would become crazier and crazier to farm. Builds like archon would actually scale a bit better with mp than on current servers, and MP10 could end up feeling really epic(still inefficient due to massive health pools though, which is good). Sadly, this may make ww barbs even more op, but it would make the game much more fun for most builds that I know of. MP10 fields of misery could live up to it's name with the number of trees you would have!
I know you said that there are no real easy fixes previously. But really truly this fix is easy.
If monster density is a hard thing to increase numerically why not do it volumetrically? Instead of making more monsters, just make the monsters that exist bigger!! Much bigger!! If you were fighting huge monsters you would feel like WOW THOSE ARE SOME DENSE MONSTERS and then you would be happy, I think.
Also it's an easy fix because you just go into MS Paint and stretch the drawing of each monster by 500% or maybe 1000% and then put the file back into your game folder, I think.
Maybe you could have it scale with monster power so that monsters are 100% bigger per monster power (50% bigger for MP0)
Anyways I just wanted to share this idea that maybe you haven't thought up yet. Thanks for the game blizzard!!!
i'm reposting this from my us forums posts:
when you run through 10+ screens without encountering a single monster something is definitely not right, for an action game
-each level increases monster density
scaling could by similar to monster health in monster power:
L1 - 150% density (so instead of 10 monsters you get 15)
L10- 3500% density (so instead of 10 monsters you get 350)
that would be amazing gorefest and bloodbath :)
-each level could also increase number of elites in one pack
some ppl want to kill lots of monsters everywhere, others prefer few tough monsters.
with "monster power" you can control toughness
now "monster horde" would add ability to control density
making both groups happy, because they can adjust the game to their preferences :)
a couple of good points have been raised by a fellow players:
The hangup here can't be the monster density modification, but rather their quality control of it's implementation. A SEA OF MONSTERS, while cool, might startle and confuse newcomers, and might overload/tweak something under the hood.
this is easy - unlock/allow "monster density" only in inferno or nightmare+?
this way newcomers get the original story/design/power/density in normal.
nightmare and higher difficulties add nothing to normal except difficulty.
why not raise mob density with monster power levels. this would help mitigate people abusing an option to get better loot by making it more difficult to kill the monsters
i'd rather have it separate from mp, the md goal here is to have fun slaughtering hordes of demons, plowing through them with ease, and thats not achievable if its tied to mp.
game shouldn't feel empty at any point, even casual players want a sea of monsters :)
the problem of more monsters = more drops making higher mp less desirable than higher md is solved very easily:
-each md level increases monster density
-each md level decreases loot drop chance in proportion to increased density
-in the end overall loot drop chance remains same through all md levels
all in all - imagine the area right outside tristram, FILLED shoulder to shoulder with monsters - that would be a huge blast and awesome experience, playing through some insane areas where you would get overrun and steamrolled by demonic hordes, literally :)
i would love sea of monsters like L10 in this mock-up :)
and this is composite to see the difference between various levels :)
Edited by Grave#2119 on 29/01/2013 15:35 GMT
Same I loved that event but for some reason you don't really get more like it. To be honest I'd just like them to keep that event going till I die. As soon as the gates lock just keep increasing the density of mobs and increase the damage and health of them till they become too hard to defeat.
I think it could be an easy solution just to count how effective act 3 compared to other acts and then make act 1,2,4 give X times additional experience and mf/gf (over the cap of 300%). So 1 mob of act 4 would be equal to, for example, 1 crowd of act 3 :)
Grave has the best idea, variable settings from 0 (classic density for new players / safe hardcore leveling when gearing up) to whatever number, probably needs to be less than 10x discrete levels as that'd take too long to design, so maybe say Level 0,1,2,3 and make the last one completely insane where the map is choc full of hordes of mobs.
Can't imagine anything more fun in D3 than smashing thru massive waves of mobs, that's what ARPG is all about!
There are lots of really interesting ideas posted in this thread so far, although some of them are rather complex and maybe not something that would be very feasible for a patch. One should never say never though, so keep posting your wishes and ideas guys :-)identify all is coming in patch 1.08 :)
Thank you for listening, Blizzard!
Yep, farming a3 over and over again is beginning to suck :)
Fields Of Misery feels like you coming to late to a war, the zone feels always empty on monsters.. There should be at least 200 monsters in there :))
Northerend Highlands is good to, but i think "they can delete "Tree monster, they took to much space and animation to long!! Increase the areas with more monster "Like The fallens demons or something elese, maybe add the "Monster from Act3 from D2, you know to small ones with
Mostly areas in act1 you need to search after monster to kill, that is fail!! if you steep outside shoulde be contrast to your hero, the feeling that you are in war and there alot bad guys out there ;)
Edited by Mirago#2459 on 06/03/2013 10:43 GMT
No no no, thank you guys for posting your feedback :-)
Keep in mind though that although we are trying to have the monster density improvements ready for the next patch, there is still a small chance that it may have to be pushed for a later patch. We will of course update you guys as soon as we have more information on this.
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