04 Jan Story Forum "Guidelines" and Suggestions We've adapted the description of this forum to include Fan Fiction, and we encourage you to share your stories here! This rest of this post is taken from Nethaera's thread on the US forums: I know more than a few people have been asking if there are guidelines to posting in these forums. The answer is yes and no both. Confusing, I know, but you'll understand once I explain. First, if you are sharing a story here, it should be fictional and set in the Warcraft universe. Can you break canon? Yes. It's your story. Just please try not to go too far afield. Your audience will appreciate some semblance of familiarity. Next, you've asked about just how far language, sexual themes, or violent themes can go, so I'll explain here. Keep in mind, the forum Code of Conduct still applies. Also, keep in mind the rating (T for Teen) as well. When you want a good example story, please take a look at Blizzard's own for World of Warcraft. That should give you a good comparison for your own tales. Use your best judgement. If you ask yourself, "Is this too far?", it just might be and you might want to consider doing another editing pass. While not everyone may agree on taste, try to keep it as tasteful as possible. If you're sharing a story, it may be a good idea to put "complete" at the bottom of your story if it takes more than one post to tell it. We know there are restrictions on the forums that may hinder you a bit, but this may give you the room to post without someone jumping in before you're done and so that the reader knows they are reading a "finished" (we all know no story is ever really finished) piece of work. Authors may also want to express at the bottom of their completed tale if they are open to constructive feedback. Some may not want feedback other than to hear if someone enjoyed it and some may be looking for others to help them hone their skills. The best way to solicit either is to make it clear what you would like. "Constructive feedback welcome." If you are a reader, please be considerate. If you didn't like a story or liked it, then sharing constructive feedback is fine. But, please make sure you do it in a way that isn't insulting to the author if the author has asked for or made it clear they are open to feedback. Most importantly, we all know that these types of efforts are very personal to the author. I'd like to ask authors not to take feedback too personally and likewise for those that give constructive feedback. Please don't make it personal. Personal attacks are definitely not OK here. This is largely 'your' forum to make of what you like in the end. While we have the power to moderate and help mold, the shape of it all is largely up to you and what you make of it as a community. *I've left this thread open on purpose so that any additional etiquette discussions or questions could be kept here. Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.Takralus8 04 Jan
29m Garrosh is present at Vol'jin's death? Can anyone tell me how it's possible that Garrosh Hellscream <Warchief> is present in the small cinematic where Vol'Jin dies and Sylvanas becomes Warchief?Archmagii21 29m
39m Did Wrathion cause Legion? Now for those who did any part of the Wrathion questline in MoP before Blizzard removed it for Reasons(tm), he had forseen the Legion invasion, and attempted to manipulate the Alliance and Horde to have one conquer the other, so there would only be one major political power on Azeroth. However, Varian screwed that at the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar, and Wrathion wasn't too happy about it, and ended up storming off in a huff, vowing to do it his way. Turns out 'his way' of doing things was to convince a bronze dragon to take Garrosh to Draenor of the past to make a new Horde to fight the Legion in the present. And Garrosh didn't play ball either, hence the Iron Horde. But if Wrathion had never done this, would we even be seeing a Legion invasion now, or even to this scale? By sending Garrosh to Draenor, that set off a chain of events that lead us to release Gul'dan, who was then used by the Legion to summon them into our world. If Garrosh never went to Draenor, we wouldn't have their Gul'dan being a PITA and spamming Summon Demon. So has Wrathion's attempt to help just made things a helluva lot worse?Shallin11 39m
41m Alliance vs Horde storytelling in Legion So I as so many others are struggling with chosing what to play in Legion and time is getting short... I'm really interested in the lore so I'm one of those guys who reads every quest and want the questing to be fun and give as much story as possible. So for you that have played the beta, (or have some kind of information) is there a big difference between playing Horde or Alliance storytelling-wise? Because I would rather play on a Horde character since I find their story for the most part to be more interesting. But if there's a big difference I might aswell play alliance instead. And secondly, which class has the most interesting class order hall campaign? Of course this is subjective but I would love to hear your opinons!Aradeon8 41m
54m Drabble: Tomb of Sorrows Upon listening to the Tomb of Sargeras pieces on youtube, I couldn’t help but wonder what was going on from Maiev’s POV. The Tomb of Sargeras holds a severely painful memory for her, but she still delved into it to help Khadgar. Typically, I couldn’t help but write a little something to that effect::: - - “How many of your sisters did you leave to die during your hunt for Illidan?” The words dragged at her insides, slowing her until she stopped at the tomb’s broken threshold. Common tongue couldn’t describe the pain of losing so many she considered family in veritable blink of time. Thousands of years spent living, training and working together, and all from the barrow prison were gone. She had only those from the Vault and the new crop from Darnassus. She knew better now, she knew better than to allow herself such connections. Time after time, all they brought her was a searing grief that ate at her now just as readily as it did each and every time she watched her sisters fall. She would sooner throw herself alone against the Legion than let even one more of her sisters step foot in this terrible place. How many? Their names always came easily, fluttering through her thoughts as she stared into the tomb’s shadowy depths. Hundreds of selfless and dedicated women, and they were wiped out because of one person’s arrogance. Cut down by allies and enemies alike. The first of her sisters died with Kaldorei arrows in their backs. The last of them died with fel fire on their skin. How she had wanted to seethe aloud at that witless whelp of a human. After everything, after losing all of them, she had trusted him with one of her own. She should never have ignored her instincts, but at the time it seemed like a logical decision. Send someone who could quickly get their bearings and track in unknown, difficult terrain. If only... Maiev buried her regret. She could not afford sentiment. The woman she knew was dead, now burned away by the Legion. There would be nothing of ‘Cordana’ to reason with. She pressed into the tomb and let the shadows swaddle her, memories fast rising to the front of her mind. It was hard to push them away in the tomb, so close to their source she could almost taste her own blood again. The hissing of naga and shrieking of demons had filled her ears as she escaped, leaving her Watcher’s behind. Leaving Naisha behind… Maiev ground her teeth, a flare of uncomfortable heat licking at the bottom of her throat. She felt a phantom swell of pain in her flank and tried not to instinctively favour her left. It was the one time doing something for the sake of her duty had given her pause, cutting right to her core with doubt. She may have escaped, but part of her died in this tomb, resting with her fallen sisters. It called to her, tugged at her heart with cold, cloying fingers and treacherous suggestions. There wasn’t really anything stopping her from staying. A slow response here, a sloppy attack there–she would end up where she belonged. Fire raced through her and Maiev clenched tight on her umbra crescent. The few times she had allowed her personal wants to decide her actions for her had led to little more than recklessness and ruin. She was not about to make that mistake here. She would find the insufferable mage and do whatever she could to keep Gul’dan occupied. She would not suffer him disturbing her sisters’ rest with his foul presence.Kelería1 54m
54m Biggest Lore fail according to you ? So the title says it , according to you what is the biggest lore fail or rape by wow, name as many as you like. To me , Thralls wedding ....Tyrande and Malfurion being there...i mean seriously...they have been fighting eachother as alliance and horde for ages , Thrall who put that evil sod Garrosh as new warchief who has ruined Azshara for the Goblins and smashed through Ashenvale, and your telling me Tyrande and Malfurion would be like "oh its k cuz hes a neutral druid naow" from Warcraft 3 Tyrande doesnt seem like she is this type of char based on WC3 shed be more likely to kill Thrall at his own wedding instead of cheer for him. Also , Tauren Paladins sure they are "Sunwalkers" but i would have rather blizz give tauren their own unique class , because seing a Tauren in T2 is just a big WTF ?! I can name some more Lorelol moments but i want to hear what you guys have to say.Bailían230 54m
1h So What The Hell Are The High Elves Doing? So just to make sure, after fall of Silvermoon by the hands of scourge some Elves mainly those who were with Jaina in Theramore and those with Kirin Tor decided to not join Blood Elves. These High Elves: Didn't help protect Silvermoon Didn't help rebuild Silvermoon Didn't join the fight to take back the Sunwell They watch the Alliance kill their brethren and do nothing, actually worse than nothing, they HELP. I don't know what High Elves are actually planning to do here. Their numbers are very few and they have literally done nothing for their homeland and people and instead have decided to remain with the Alliance. This is not even about Garithos, during the second war there was a lot of Elves among Human armies yet the Alliance did not send any help when half of Quel'Thalas burned. This was when Elves and Alliane really got separated. Granted Varian and to some extent Jaina tried to get the Blood Elves back into Alliance, maybe at the behest of High Elves. But other than that I think High Elves are practically useless and pathetic. I wish Blizzard gave them a better direction other than "Oh no we rather wear blue".Nezekan51 1h
1h The problem with the Warrior Order Hall Ok before you downrate this post like the masses hear me out. I think the main problem is that the order hall does not represent the class fantasy for warriors at all, considering all the other order halls. So why is the warrior class order hall bad. There are a few reasons and here are my 2 cents on it. First the halls are beautiful, gorgeous even. I won't deny it. But here lies the problem. Warriors are not about beauty and gorgeous stuff. They are hardened veterans who don't care about shinny !@#$. The halls are too clean, too peacefull. There are no brawls in the halls, no mead spilled on the floor, no yelling, just peace. This would be fine for paladins maybe but for warriors no. When I think of warriors I think of the brawlers guild. Now something like that would have been way more in tone with the class fantasy. Fights all the time, cheering, drunk patrons, etc. Or since it's legion after all we could have had a war camp on the frontline, us being the first line of defence against the legion. Or maybe an abandoned castle that we retake and occupy. Second everything in the halls is vyrkul size. Which makes sense considering that it's the vyrkul heaven, but it makes us feel unwelcome and as a total outsider. Maybe grant warriors a buff that increases our size by 2 or something while there? Thirdly the followers. Our followers are the most bland and generic followers that we can get. Let's see what we get. 5 Vyrkul. 4 of them look like generic npcs. Heimdall looks cool an all but has trash mob weapons. Would be nice to get a quest or something to upgrade them maybe? He is a fury warrior with 2 1-h swords, common blizz. Though I do think he is the best out of all followers. The female one is a missed oportunity. Why not name her Sonya to give a nod to heroes of the storm or diablo 3? That would have made soo many people happier. Also getting Ymiron makes no sense. We kill him 3 times and somehow oh we'll definitely trust him! The other 2 look like generic mobs you kill in the world. This could be easily rectified if they just get some better armor strapped onto them. Now the other 3 follwers : A random iron dwarf no one heard of. And 2 titanic creations that we fought in ulduar. Their models look old and out of place. Also how come those 2 , Thorim and the other guy(forgot his name) are our subordinates while we are odyn's little %^-*!, when Thorim, odyn and the 3rd guy are on the same power level as titanic creations. That is just stupid. Again if our base of operations would have been in the real world we could recruit big names as our followers like Nazgrel, Eitrigg, etc. I mean I see every class with a big name follower except us. I mean for @#$%s sake, paladins get a holy dreadlord.... Also they say we are the only mortal that can get there. I call bull^-*! considering that place is a dungeon where we fight odyn. Another way they could have rectified the warrior lack of companions is if we were sent by odyn to recruit the greatest warriors of the land, kinda how like the DK has that quest to get the 4 hoursemen. It's sad the blizz is trying to force this vyrkul fantasy of theirs down our throats like this is every warriors fantasy, esepecially when they got most of the other ones spot on (looking at you dks and pallys). Especially when in earlier builds we had warriors from all over azeroth as followers. I know is too late to fix this it's just that I'm dissapointed. The warrior order hall is just a glorified quest hub, that if it appeared in the game as a quest hub no one would be like, gee this would have been a great warrior class hall compared to that old castle / war camp. I put up with how boring they made prot. I put up with how @#$%ty the artifact is for arms and fury. Will I reroll my main from warrior? Unfortunately no, I put way too much effort and time into this character, both game-wise and RP wise. But I'm sad. This has been my sole main for about 3-4 years now, and I'm sad. I do know I won't play him as much. I will prolly roll a pally. Thank you blizzard for ruining my warrior with your forced fantasy. EDIT: Also you are supposed to be the only mortal to ever be there right? Well seeing other warriors running around that are not vyrkul kinda breaks that lore point (they could have phased it out if they wanted to be strict with the lore), so not having non-vyrkul as followers makes little sense. I mean you are strict there but just there cuz you are lazy to make quests.Malighos12 1h
2h Stratholme So i'm no lore expert , but stratholme was cleansed right? so will we ever see it return , and actually become a place to visit? I'm so curious , and i have not seen any discussions about it. If the problem is that it is a dungeon , couldnt blizz just make and dung entrance somewhere near it? it could be a neutral city , since its argents that had cleansed it , and would be so good for Rp :D . also would feel like the storyline is progressing.Abukhamis11 2h
2h Vol'jin dead by trashmobs, Sylvanas >boyfriend? Vol'jin dead makes no sense. gets distracted and one shot by a random fel guard that's nothing like him. these cinematics are pure fanservice. Now queen of kink is warchief. Vol'jin was powerfull, smart and tactical he would not get distracted in a battle like this. If that wasn't enough you are going to give sylvanas, who only talks about suffering and torment a human undead boyfriend? And what's with all this drooling over Sylvanas. I am sure 12 year olds are all into her but lorewise she isn't strong at all and just a turned blood elf. Or is she slowly growing a hearth and love? While the cinematics are very nice animated and many explosionzz. the script is really cliché and no better then ur average 12 year old cartoon, better then twilight movie but not much.. i am very worry'd about the audience they target in the legion expansion.. looks like activision CoD story department is pulling the ropesPhpecho74 2h
2h Broken Isles... So how come we have not heard of them at all in WoW until now? I dont remember ever hearing of them in game untill this point. None of the npcs seem to have mentioned these islands which have popped up out of no where. Yet all of a sudden theyre now the main focus of an expansion. How did we not see these islands when traversing to Northrend to defeat the scourge and the LK?Scrims4 2h
2h Vol'jin is alive He is alive and he will be bringing the Zandalari with him. Mark my words I shall revive this thread in near or far future.Fartlas23 2h
2h Khadgar leader at end of demon hunter quests Just finished the quest chain for demon hunters and you meet Khadgar. He says he is leader of Kirin Tor. Then he asked you to go and see Anudin. You get there at the bit where if you were a normal player, Jaina would have just teleported away after saying Kirin Tor won't work with Horde. So when Khadgar said he was leader of the Kirin Tor that was not actually true by then? I mean Jaina at that moment was still leader and the quests that you get a bit later have the vote and Jaina leaves. Was this an over sight by blizz having Khadgar saying he is the leader?Tarkwin5 2h
2h Vol'jin fate Alert spoiler maybe. No need for a long text. I just wanna know, why kill vol'jin? He was warchief for one patch, then he died, why? Is there any reason why blizzard killed him?Saigoro10 2h
3h MASSIVE Lore spoilers. Possible ENDING of WoW. I have been reading the newly released WoW Chronicles and a lot of old theories and this is what I've learned. A LOT of stuff has been retconned, changed or has been build upon. Here goes. So pretty much confirmed: Titans are actually living planets, yes they're birthed by the life force of a planet. So their mission was not to spread order, but LIFE(birth new titans). Kinda like the Xel'Naga from SC II. The Ultimate Evil in WoW universe is the Void Lords from the Void, a separate reality/dimension. Old gods are just mere manifestations of their will. Sort of like mere pets. Take that Old god fans. The Naaru also probably come from another(same?) dimension and are the complete enemies of the Void Lords. Demons did NOT drive Sargeras mad. Void did. Demons are still evil, just not as much. He became fel corrupted and more powerful by shattering Mardum. He also created the Burning legion to fight the Void lords.He started destroying worlds as he deemed them susceptible to the Void. Pantheon did not agree with him. Sargeras solo'd the Pantheon.Take that Sargeras haters. Yes he literally killed all the titans, as they were susceptible to Fel, strangely Fel made him more powerful and did not kill him.He also isn't evil, he's mad. His cause is just, his methods are not. Azeroth is actually a BABY TITAN. Quite possibly Earth Mother/Elune. Making Azeroth a FEMALE Titan. Pillars of Creation are probably whats needed to awaken her. Makes perfect sense as the well of eternity is linked to BOTH Titans and Elune. And one of the pillars even has her name. The Pantheon have foreseen that Azeroth will be strong enough to destroy the Void Lords, the exact same reason Sargeras wants to destroy it. He sees her as the perfect host for the Void Lords. Seeing all the old god corruption on it. Ulduar/Uldum/Uldaman are sort of an immune system for the planet. Well of Eternity is Titan blood, yes their blood is arcane magic. Probably that of the Titan that died in the Old god/Titan war. Azeroth used it to create her children - the night elfs. The end of WoW will probably be Azeroth herself battling Sargeras and/or Void Lords. Mind BLOWN.Demonto103 3h
4h Alliance is sooo... "Light" focused Anduin is a Priest... Valen is a Priest... Not only that... Most of Draenei are in love with Naaru A lot of Humans are Paladins, Crusaders, Templars, Priests In my opinion 25k+ old Valen should finally die taking Kil'jaeden or Archimonde with him... pernamently. Maybe even cleansing one of them and making new leader of Draenei. I would love to finally see a mage as fraction leader... there is emty slot since Kael'Thas. Maybe its time for Draenei mage to step up ? They are one of most intelligent and magic gifted races.Jesi6 4h
5h Sylvanas could be a good warchief Not sure where this belongs: Sylvanas could be the best warchief the horde ever had. Could if we could trust blizzard writting skills. My reasoning: 1: She could redeem the horde. For too long the horde is chaotic stupid. Constantly swiching between victem's, anti hero, underdong, superpower, etc. She could put the horde back where it belong. As a might makes right factions. No more justification for taking land other then we want it. No more Orks is the biggest and the strongest. No more lets fight fight honorably. 2: She is a cunning and ruthless dictator. Sylvanas shoud be able to hold to horde togather like a real life dictator. With propaganda, person charisma, and silence any problem makes. For example a orc chief is openly critizing her? She sends a banshee to "change" his mind. A troll hero calls her out on using the plague? Part of collateral damage on his next mission. She could be the ruthless and cunning leader the horde wants. The one who gets the job done. Yes she failed alot. But she succeded alot too. And unlike some leaders she has never been made to pay for her actions. 3: A possible new faction(aldor vs scryers style) Where players have to pick between the honor gaurd(the heroes on the frontline she uses as propaganda to look good) and the shadow gaurd(the secret police who silence anyone who questions her) I believe sylvanas as alot of possibilties to be a good villian. One that doesnt need to be killed. Because she is accauly a good. She knows when to kick that puppy and when to pet it. She doesnt turn the alliance or horde againt her. Instead she would be using both to get rid of her enemies. Ow sylvanas is a villian. Dont kid yourself. But like any good villian she avoids justice(think lex luther)Malaficus3 5h
5h Staircase in Light's Hope Chapel So, I logged in after exiting at the inn in Light's Hope Chapel. When I logged in and before everything loaded I saw this: Does anyone know what it is? It's blocked off, but does it have anything to do with the lore, and the fact that paladins are buried underneath? I'm just curious.Megabritta9 5h
8h Are there any same-sex couples in WoW lore? Just out of curiosity.Sugarx97 8h
10h The Legion Transcends all? And retconns. This still bugs me, so so much. First off: If the Legion is above reality, then that still does not work look at it like this: Our timeline: Sargeras gets corrupted, kills the pantheon and such, eventually gets to Argus, Archimonde and Kil'jaden get recruited. On Alternate Draenor: We get to know that The Legion is above all, BUT look, The ordering of the universe would still be the same, Sargeras gets corrupted I can understand a titan being above all, that's completely understandable, but if we had an alternate Velen, that means there was an alternate Argus, an alternate Kil'jaden, an Alternate Archimonde. What happened to them? Do they just merge with themselves? More problems: Why would the Legion possibly stick to the rules? I can't imagine Sargeras waking up by his cuckoo clock of doom and say 'Oh, look at the time, time to invade another Draenor. No, it wouldn't work. There's simply too many realities and alternate worlds, also why bother destroying worlds if they existed in more than one reality? Now for retconns: Has Blizzard forgotten the events in Stormrage? Maiev is still a murderer, she still tried killing Malfurion.. What about Sylvanas? Did she not go completely berserk after Vereesa 'betrayed' her? Anyway let me know what you think :)Sammyknight12 10h
14h Will we finally see me'dan? He still is the guardian through the transcendance of Medivh's power and he is cannon through the Velen story. Personally I think he does fit in this story, IF they introduce Sargeras into the final raid. To defeat Sargeras' avatar we will need Med'an. If we will defeat the avatar of sargeras without the guardian there is little to no credibility to the entire guardian story and their power. Personally I think he SHOULD be in there. He might be a lore abbomination but we can kill him off in some sort of self-sacrifice story but he needs to show himself. I would love to see his story in the game regardless of what happens. He's cannon, you can't keep him locked away forever. Time to kill him off.Thraìnn20 14h
16h Why does Blizzard make the alliance stronger. Hello, I noticed something when I quested up my human alt. Basically the dark iron dwarves team up with the Alliance now. Those same dark iron dwarves that "teamed" up with the blackrock orcs. Guess what, blackrock orcs get to keep evil while dark iron dwarves become the good guys. Again, almost every blackrock orc got slaughtered in Siege of Orgrimmar. Why must Horde always be evil and Alliance always good? Wildhammer clan? Good. Dragonmaw? Almost every orc got slaughtered here aswell. People complain Blizzard kills off more alliance heroes... Blizzard kills off far more Horde faction than you realise. All we got was a little forest tribe, the revantusk tribe. With WoD, we could team up with the orcs. Now we only team up with 1 orcish tribe. Rest is evil. While the Alliance gets to whole draenei empire with them. What's the deal with this. Why is Horde always evil and killed off. I'm seriously starting to get fed up with this crap. Everytime some faction joins the Horde, they get evil and get destroyed by both factions. Then they throw in a bunch of npc's to make it seem the Horde is as equal strong as the Alliance while it's clearly not!Vlaanderen38 16h
17h Archimonde (is he dead?) Is Archimonde really dead? I dunno what to think about him after we kill him in Twisting Nether and then cutscene starts in which he dies on Draenor. So, my dear loremasters - could you explain it to me? Is he dead or not?Vahrion8 17h
18h Nagrand Storyline Hello.. I hope some on can help my Before I can complete the 'Draenor Pathfinder' and fly in Draenor i need to complete some quest lines. One of them 'Loremaster of Draenor' there I need to complete Nagrand storyline. BUT the only one i need to complete is 'The dark heart of oshu'gun' BUT i can't get inside? I can see a '!' (Vindicator Nobundo) icon below me in the oshu'gun area. But can't get down there! //MildoorMildoor5 18h
19h This weeks Pre-Legion quest line I was extremely disappointed with this weeks pre- legion quest line; the quest line itself was literally 2 quests. In many respects it could of been tagged onto the end of last weeks quest line, or they could of split the weeks more equally. Anyway, these forums are a place for feedback; I would have preferred to have more filler quests. Even if they were like "Try and make peace with Jaina", "Oh Jaina doesn't want to make peace". At least it feels like we have been given more content.Petpetpetpet9 19h
20h I wonder... Every so often i like to speculate on classes of World of warcraft practically about every aspect, in this case, - It seems quite clear that for example death knights and paladins do feel like counterparts to one another mostly due to powers they wield, powers which originate from opposite sources, Light and Dark(Shadow/Void) Now from Warlords and Khadgar's pursuit of Gul'dan, the magic they wield and recent narrative videos made by blizzard regarding tomb of Sargeras and the conflict between both, Mages and Warlocks seem opposite, yet equally powerful. With that being said, my question to you is - >Which class(gameplay or lorewise) would fit as a counterpart for a Demon hunter? similar to how Light is to the Dark., ...a duel that would end with a stalemate. Any speculation is welcome. :PFelmortus8 20h
23h Watch The Cinematic Again, Horde Did The Right Thing If you watch carefully almost ALL the melee units protecting Sylvanas and her rangers were dead and at best they would have been able to fire two times more to support alliance troops below before dying for nothing. Because two more volleys would have accomplished nothing and everyone would have been dead for nothing. The retreat helped immensely, both Alliance and Horde can recover because they only lost one leader each in opposed to losing 4 each.Nezekan54 23h
23h So it's official - all Alliance heroes are neutral... ... or not affiliated with the Alliance anymore The list: Khadgar. Turalyon. Alleria. Magni Bronzebeard. Calia Menethil. Malfurion Stormrage. Alonsus Faol. There are only two exceptions - Genn Greymane. And of course Jaina, which now serves as a mockery for all who think that the Alliance shouldn't work with the Horde for various reasons. It's sad.Yongnian69 23h
1d Man'ari Eredar have no accent The name of the topic really. Sure the Sargerei have accents but they are recently converted, but neither Archimonde or Kil'jaeden has even a hint of that eastern-european/greekish thing going on. For later generation Man'ari ( if that even exists). Not really sure if they can make babies, i would understand that a pre-corrupted dialect would die out and conform to the more general, brooding evil sounding legion-lingo. But the actual Original ones that spent their formative years on pre-legion Argus have none of it. Or Maybe its just Velen and his followers where mostly from the same Argus county and where the only ones to speak like that. Its just weird you know. Why do you guys think none of the evil red/grey overlords of the legion speak like they do?Khelissa7 1d
1d The Blizzard spat on the Hordes face - This guy sayed the truth. 1. The Blizzard much better loves the Alliance, like the Horde. And it's no problem, but the difference is too big. Varian has dead, it's very sad and tragic thing. But how did he die? Like a hero, like a great king, who fought his people. His death is a big victory for the alliance. Beautiful end and the alliance players be proud. -- I'am not alone. 2. And Vol'jin? A felguard (A SIMPLE FAKIN' FELGUARD) killed him, and he dying on his throne. It's hurt. And okkay, we horde players are very different. We have lot of Sylvanas fans, Garrosh fans, Vol'jin fans etc... Okkay, we do not have to agree, who is the best warchief. But you feel, what is the problem? You feel the spit on your face? We are the Horde. We... orcs, trolls, undeads together. A Horde leader, who fought his people too, a Horde leader, who saved your fraction the disintegration, just dead, and he haven't statue, memorial or anothert thing. A Warchief, who has a very strong and epic story ( check this: just ended, like a weak and fiddling charachter in this Universe. And Varian got a beautiful memorial with a whole park. What do got Vol'jin? Nothing. A WARCHIEF got nothing! PEOPLE OF DA HORDE! THE BLIZZARD SPAT ON YER WARCHIEF! Rhonin, Tirion, Varian and lot of alliance hero has for example statues. Which horde leader have a statue? Or a memorial? (Yes, Sylvanas has a statue in Brill. Whoa..) Vol'jin was a big hero, he saved the Horde, he respected the other racial leaders, he was a genius in the strategy. He was the only troll leader, who stay next to us, all troll tribe is evil, or mad or bloody or primitve idiots. And I'm very sad, cuz the Blizzard didn't get a task him in wod, and killed him in the legion. ( A felguard. its a fakin' joke... A FELGUARD, MON.. FAKIN' TRASH!!!!!). Examine the Horde and the Alliance leaders, and their status: The team in the Alliance: - Tyrande + Malfurion - Alive - Velen - Alive - The gnome king. Melka. Melqua... ah fak. - Alive - Genn - Alive - The pandaren girl. - Alive - The dwarf council - Alive - Varian - dead The team in the Horde: - Thrall - alive, but he is a boring pu*sy, and I hope, he will die. The orcs haven't normal leader, just the old Saurfang and Eirtrigg. - Cairne - dead - Baine - alive - Vol'jin - dead The trolls haven't leader. - Lor'themar - alive - Gallywix - alive - Sylvanas - "alive" - Pandaren guy - alive Alliance high kings: 1. Varian ( He was the first king in the "new" alliance. He was the only "new" alliance king, until now) Classic ---> Legion 2. Anduin - Legion ---> .... Horde warchiefs: 1. Thrall - Classic -----> Cataclysm 2. Garrosh - Cataclysm ---> MOP 3. Vol'jin - Mop -----> Legion. 4. Sylvanas - Legion ----> .... 5. ?????? In the next expansion, after Legion. LOL. The Alliance has ONE king from classic, until now. The Horde has 4 Warchief from classic, until now. Thank ya Blizzard this "fantastic" thing. Who's the next dead? The Horde players always suck a big d***ck. Pathetic... My dear Horde friends. You loved Garrosh? Ok, I understand. You love Sylvanas? Ok, I understand. I don't hate Sylvanas. Maybe you love Thrall? OK! My favorite is Vol'jin. OK! But this is not only Vol'jin's problem. This is the Horde's problem and not the racial's problem. The Horde is humiliated. This is the BIG problem. I love this game. I love this universe. But the creators don't respect me (and you, Horde players). And it's hurt. Very hurt. Blizzard! You killed my favorite. It's a tragedy, but ok, I'm just a player and I can not do anything. But please. Give to Vol'jin a fair memorial and give my tribe a true troll chieftain. This is the all, what I would. Tank ya. And pls. check the other topics: 1d
1d How is Sylvanas actually a good Warchief? Isn't she actually a weakness to the Horde? Remember the Lich King? A creation of the Burning Legion to control the undead? What prevents Kil'jaeden to create another tool to control Sylvanas or the Forsaken? A demonlord of his power level can instantly take over a simple corpse like Sylvanas. Kil'jaeden doesn't even need to be summoned, he only need to make sure such an artefact gets on Azeroth, something like the Helm of Domination of the Lich King. Basically Vol'jin is wrong, and so is his Loa, the leader of the Horde must be a living person, that cannot be mindcontrolled. For that, Baine, Saurfang or even Lor'themar should lead the Horde instead of Sylvanas, no matter how powerful her Forsaken are, she isn't even interested to be the Warchief any way. There was no reason for her to be the Warchief. Not 1 single reason for so far. I hope that the Burning Legion will mind-control Sylvanas, for the sake of lore consistency.Daha116 1d
1d Who will be the final boss in Legion? Hello. I was wondering who people think will be the final boss in Legion. We kill Gul'dan and tichondrius in the first raid, so i am wondering what Legion commanders are left.Tankard36 1d
1d Does Jaina knows? Just played the Dalaran quests with the Horde being re-invited and thought of the following: Is Jaina (and in general the Alliance) aware that Vol'Jin is dead and there was a reason why the Horde had to retreat from the broken shore, or she just being all mad and hateful?Vouvalos88 1d
1d What if Sylvanas was male? So have been thinking about this question for some time. Do you think Sylvanas would remain a fan favorite if she was male instead of female? Personally, I think so, though perhaps with a different demographic. After all, she does seem to have most of the traits that makes a male character popular among a certain subset of the female demographic. 1: Dark and tragic backstory, check. 2: Brooding and complex, check 3: "Bad boy", check 4: "I can change him" Most definatly check 5: Extremly lonely, check 6: Has a rival in Greymane, who the female fanbase would turn into a gay pairing, like so often is the case. Kinda starts to remind me of either Loki or Dracula to be honest. So, how does Sylvanas gender change your perception of her? Is there certain things you think just because she is female? What would really change if her gender was reversed?Iryana45 1d
1d Legion Troll Patch? When Vol'jin died we basically lost the only well-developed Troll character in the game at the moment, and he really got some action in MoP with his meeting with the Zandalari and the Darkspear Rebellion. As most of Vol'jin's character development was done during the Troll patch and Rebellion in MoP, I thought Legion might be a good time for another Troll patch to carry on the Zandalari storyline and hopefully develop a new Troll character. I don't think this would be such a random event either and might actually be quite logical following the storyline. We know that there will be an Old God in Legion and the Trolls were at war with the Aqir for a very long time in the past. Also, Trolls and Night Elves aren't exactly the best of friends so perhaps some event will occur that ties all these things together, allowing some Trolls to shine for a moment and let the Darkspears escape from irrelevance. Furthermore, the Titans will feature quite a lot in Legion, and Trolls being one of the oldest races on Azeroth really should be right in there so we can learn more about their origins as that's not something that's been fully revealed yet. Due to their art style and culture they'd probably stick out like a sore-thumb in such a Night-elf driven expansion but some interesting lore about how exactly these two races are intertwined, could, and in my opinion should be, right around the corner. Please let me know what you think. Although I try to learn about the lore as much as I can, I'm not someone who reads the books or any of the extra lore materials like that so there may be something I've missed that's perhaps blatantly obvious to you guys.Chungko9 1d
1d Khadgar ... Having played through the initial stages at ''new Dalaran'', I could not help feeling uneasy at Khadgar's, shall we say, take-over. As soon as Jaina teleports somewhere, he shows little remorse taking her place immediately. A more humble person may have waited for this place to be assigned to him by one of the remaining members of the council of 6. But not so Khadgar. What were his words in the Harbinger trailer. ..."I have thought about becoming a Guardian every day .. even now I desire it" ... and we all know how the trailer ended. But, what if Khadgar has decided to settle for second best, i.e. being the leader of the Kirin Tor? Does that not hint at a truly ambitious man beneath his outer demeanor of selfless service? Furthermore, I find it strange that Cordana Felsong, his ever so devoted body-guard became Gul'dan's pawn. Surely, a mage of his calibre would have spotted changes in her?Tzesunlao48 1d
2d Fate of the Horde Cinematic Soundtrack As the title says, I'm looking for the Soundtrack which is played during the Cinematic "Fate of the Horde". If anyone knows where I can listen to it or simply the name, please comment below.Xaero3 2d
2d Why do invasions ignore Hyjal and Nordrassil? We all know that Nordrassil was THE THING in the Third War. All the Legion and Scourge might was concentrated on the World Tree in Hyjal. Archimonde himself saw it as his ultimate goal. After he was summoned to EK near Dalaran, he immediately left for Kalimdor and Hyjal to corrupt and break the world tree. There was an explosion and Archimonde was dead. Night Elves lost their immortality, Nordrassil was damaged. And it immediately began to heal itself, as we saw in the very same cinematic. Yet Nordrassil still holds an enormous power. There’s Ysera in person - and she's not dreaming. During Cataclysm events Ragnaros unleashed all the might of Firelands at Nordrassil – this is the point he chose from all Azeroth. Finally, there’s a lake – yes, this big and shimmering one near the world tree – where Illidan emptied his last Well of Eternity waters vial, and it cost him 10,000 years in prison. So, why then demons ignore Nordrassil and Hyjal during invasions?Микромантика10 2d
2d Legion Ingame cinematics Are they going to release the questing cinematics like they did for WoD or are they being kept hidden until the actual launch? :PSaldor0 2d
2d What others characters do you think will be in Legion? Other than Turalyon & Alleria Windrunner? ^^ What other*- sry.Diäna11 2d
2d Which book to read first? So i saw a tread that showed the order of the books. And the first one is: The Well of Eternity. But does it matter much if i read: Rise of the horde first? do i miss alot or does it not really matter? I never have read any warcraft book. And i am a new player to WoW. But i know a few things because of my brother who played it alot over the years.Nerfthiss4 2d
2d Warcraft Planet TV on Youtube Hi there I am from Warcraft PlanetTV on YouTube; What we do is record gameplay and make it into a YouTube Video for Viewers to watch! This involves Transmogs, RPing, Random Events e.g a Parade! If you are interested in getting involved, please contact me! Reason Why I have made this thread to to represent WoW Players on EU on YouTube if that is By Transmogs Pvp Pve or Role Playing events ,Including Class Transmogs You can Contact me Via Game or Direct Message on the YouTube Channel hope to hear from use all soon! The Link : 2d
2d ''This isn't the same Legion we've fought before'' Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same Genn ''Let's Hide From All Our Problems Lol'' Greymane that never fought the Legion to begin with?Hypotenous10 2d
3d Blizzard forcing their favorites is hurting the Lore Another topic about the Broken Shore. Because, obviously, there aren't enough already. But this is something that I find too important to not make a specifically dedicated thread for. The force with which Sylvanas was made Warchief is insulting. This is not about Sylvanas hate; even her fans can't possibly be fine with the way they delivered her. This whole story actually starts at the first trailer: We see Sylvanas on her zeppelin, helping Varian on his airship, jumping around, pulling 360 Noscopes like she's getting paid for it. This, in and off itself, is no problem - if you assume that we simply don't see the rest of the action. But it's not that we "don't see" the rest of the action, and instead that there is no action. The other part of the Horde on Sylvanas team was Baine, who was probably on a ship, and as a Tauren he apparently has not deserved more than two lines of text. However, if you think about it: Why split your forces to begin with? Why have Sylvanas and not the Warchief lead the Horde offensive next to Varian? The absence of Lor'themar and Gallywix (who still doesn't even have a unique model) not to mentioned. Moving on. When Vol'jin finally arrives on the Broken shore along with Thrall, he has about as many lines as Thrall. And these lines he uses to banter with other, obviously more important, characters. While Thrall gives meaningful orders, like focus this, destroy that, etc. You know, lead character things. So they eventually meet the true main character, Sylvanas. Oh, Baine is also there, I guess. Starting then, Vol'jin has even less to say. But he still has one or two lines. However, you can pinpoint the very moment he becomes entirely irrelevant, which, by the way, should be the quote that will be his legacy forever more: "All da Horde, get ta Thrall!" This is before you ascend the plattform to fight Krosus. That's the last thing he says before the cinematic in which he dies. But more about that part later. You know what's weird about the part before Krosus? The chasm before the plattform. Yes, yes, I know, there's one for the Alliance too and it forces the players to a halt. But, it doesn't necessarily have to halt them, as the next battle doesn't advance before the other group arrives either way. But what's REALLY weird is the way they solve that problem: Thrall, who is already losing his god-powers, can still reach the elephants in a land that is objectively twisted and corrupted more than anything the Dark Shaman did in Ogrimmar. And he doesn't just reach them, they are still strong enough to form a (in my eyes fairly unnatural) rock bridge. Was there really no ther way to do this? Did it have to be Sylvanas to point out that chasm? Did it have to be Thrall to find a way to cross it? Though in all fairness, given the only two other "heroes" that participated in this life and death assault to save the world, were Baine and Vol'jin. The obstacle would have had to be a different one for them. On the plattform, Tirion dies (with as many lines of text as Baine in the entire scenario), and Varian and Sylvanas have this weird frienemy banter, the troop advances, and the final assault start... ...where Sylvanas gives 100% of the orders. Thrall still has two lines, shouting things to be cool. That's it. Cinematic starts - with Sylvanas, of course, - and Vol'jin get's immediately stabbed in the gut. Back to Sylvanas, who for some reason is the only one who can pull a horse from nowhere, pick up Vol'jin, and then summon five (5) Val'kyr to save a whole five (5) people in a majestetic descend from the sky. It's important that what little screentime the Horde gets is wasted on shots of Sylvanas minions being cool. Of course, we must not forget her being named the Warchief, which is so important it get's a cinematic. No, not the funeral - no one cares about that. Troll rites? Thrall being there? Actual display of grief or loss? Ef that! But what does the cinematic show? Sylvanas face, a lot. Her giving a nice one-liner. An addled and dying Vol'jin who had "a Vision" that this one person he never trusted and which he never thought would be the one to save the Horde, is, in fact, the one the spirits have chosen to save the Horde. ("The spirits have granted me clarity" my a**.) And finally, Sylvanas, alone, in front of Vol'jins funeral pyre, as the Horde cheers for her unanimously. These are all things you have seen yourself. I merely wanted to stress how stupidly blatant Blizzard was disregarding everything else to push their own favorite into the limelight. Vol'jin was the bloody WARCHIEF and he doesn't get to lead his own people into battle or command them. Tell me "It's their game, they can do what they want" all day, but it won't change that whoever is responsible is hurting the game and its story in ways that will shape it's future. It is one thing to have favorites, but another entirely to dedicate the entirety of the story on getting that one character into the center. Literally going over corpses for that end. Honestly, It makes me sad to see how much awesome stuff they can make, the music, the trailer, the world as a whole - only for them to take it into that direction.Shinjao110 3d
3d Cool theory on why Vol'jin made Sylvanas Warchief I mean, the real reason is just fan-service. But i read on Reddit an interesting theory on the reason Vol'jin chose Sylvanas as next Warchief. Vol'jin doesn't trust Sylvanas, because she has used the Plague and her methods are not different from those of the Lich King (use weapon of mass-destructions and raise the fallen). Sylvanas has also plotted and schemed in secret for quite a while (nobody knew of her New Plague). So Vol'jin made Sylvanas Warchief so she can no longer hide and do those things in secrets, because now, being the Warchief of the Horde, all eyes are on her. So the troll made Sylv Warchief exactly because he doesn't trust her, now she can't do !@#$ in secret without getting discovered by the world. Personally, i find it quite a cool theory. Previously, Sylvanas was a secondary leader, and she could do all those bad stuffs in secret, now she is the Warchief and she can no longer hide anything and get away with it. I think now i understand better Vol'jin's decision.Belfara27 3d
3d Why are Mo'arg shocktroopers now? The Legion doesn't strike me as desperate enough to send even its engineers to the front. Did Blizzard just forget about their previous role or are there still Mo'arg engineers on the broken isles that I just haven't seen yet?Hypotenous3 3d
3d A solution to this Vol'jin mess Hey there. I apologise in advance for the length of this. As we're all aware Blizzard has gone and done really well in the fact they've not only killed off a fan favourite in the Horde lore scene, they've basically driven an entire race to the edge of extinction with poor design choices, bad storytelling and clear catering to fans who really want nothing more than an eye candy war chief. I've been sat thinking about this, mostly because I've been trying to make some sense of what happened work out the other possible reasons beyond the obvious why it has happened. I can't honestly think of any. So on second thoughts I decided to try and work on a way that would bring Vol'jin back to us and work on it through lore. 1. The time after we see him 'die' Now the most obvious and dare I say it horrific option would be that when he 'dies' he hasn't in fact died but passed out and as such they took him to the menders and they're fixing him up because we all know fel is funny stuff and Sylvanas has everyone think he's dead so she can remain war chief. Plus sides to this idea We get Vol'jin back, no he may not be war chief but that in itself is a minor thing. I for one do not care he's the war chief I just want a leader of the Darkspear and a little bit of respect from the writers before they go killing off the only notable troll at present. Down sides to this idea. It's cliché as hell and probably will lead to the death of Sylvanas which at this point I don't want it to happen either. We've had enough 'war chiefs' murdered recently. Where this idea could take us Vol'jin returns as the darkspear leader for now, but he doesn't become war chief. During this time if Blizzard insist on killing him off either bring another leader potential into the limelight from existing trolls or give us someone we can get behind and use him. Once we have that you can kill him off if it is your wish Blizzard but at least we'll have something covered. 2. The chance to bring him back - Plot 1, Bwonsamdi's return We all know that Bwonsamdi and Vol'jin have a strong connection. Of course Vol'jin like any Shadow Hunter serves the Loa but even he as greedy as he is for souls would know Vol'jin's time is not done. Therefore he could bring him back and have Vol'jin do his job without the mantle of war chief on his shoulders. After all a Shadow Hunter serves his tribe and his loa. During MoP Vol'jin had to save his tribe and to do that he became war chief. His task was done but at the moment his tribe is still in danger. He can pop up later in the expansion. Plus side to this We get some awesome troll lore and some Loa love. Not had a lot regarding Bwonsamdi since the fall of Zalazane. Downside Its another cop out, but at the same time, it's still better than he was never dead. I have one more but I'll shove it in the next post as it's a long one.Árani57 3d
3d Azshara during the invasion Seems that Talrendis Point is still active and the commander the Horde PC was supposed to kill is very much alive. Are the night elves maintaining that post to keep the Horde from moving into Ashenvale after the treaty in siege of orgrimmar?Nightwarden6 3d
3d Why was the purging of stratholm bad? its too long since ive played warcraft 3, please elaborate. why was the purging of stratholm the "wrong" choice to do? they were infected, and would turn to undead. might as well put them out of their misery before you have to fight them. now i agree perhabs not all were infected? i suppose you could have somehow figured out who was and who wasnt.. if thats even possible. if it wasnt, well i dont see the problem. the right choice seems to me, that you should just destroy them all.Peonmaster104 3d
3d What is Queen Azshara up to? I noticed on the Legion Website when it first announced that Athissa seemed to be after the Pillars of Creation...But I don't think it's mentioned anywhere they are aligned with the Legion. Could it be that Azshara, under the command of N'zoth, is trying to keep the pillars of creation out of the Horde, the Alliance AND the Legion's hands?Synlara12 3d