Topic my impression on the campain (did first 8 missions)
The story is crap and cliched. The lines are simply for people with IQ 50. Cant belive i bought this poorly made game...Only multiplayer saves it a bit, or else it would have been a big fail.
Shame on you Blizzard, wtf happened to warcraft 3 style RTS quality ??
I think that there are a lot of similarities between the story of warcraft 3 and starcraft 2
A terrible evil rises, but the evil guys do not necessarily have to be evil, and it turns out that this evil is actually created by an even bigger evil that is ready to consume eveything we know.
also, there is a main character who is totally obsessed by one thing.
Warcraft 3/ Starcraft 2.
I agree on that one, however I think that the missions are quite fun to play, that is what has made me complete the campaign a number of times.
Despite of the similarities between the WC3 story and the SCII story, I agree that the WC3 story is better, but I think the missions in SCII are funnier to play.
(sorry for being repetetive)
I agree about story. I played through normal campaign once just to see the story and get the feel of the game.
BUT(!!!) multiplayer makes up for everything. I have never been a RTS fan but this is just fantastic. Thank you Blizzard!!!
yup, the story is complete and utter bullcrap. If you think it's bad now, trust me when I say that it's going to get worse.
What saves it is mostly the gameplay. The game feels smooth, slick and polished. What I suggest is to stop paying too much attention to the story and just look at the missions as individual, stand alone things. Forget about the feeble attempts at plot twists, the massive retcons, the total horrific destruction of previously awesome characters, etc. and just play the missions for fun on their own.
By the by have you done the protoss bit yet? I'll just leave you with these two words:
Something bad should really happen to whoever thought THAT was a great idea.
What's up with the hate? I agree on the part that it's not the best storyline out there, but calling it "complete and utter bullcrap" is somewhat exaggerrated.
I was actually very thrilled and excited when the last cinematic ended, that was a catching cliffhanger (from my point of view). And I can't wait to see how the storyline will develop further in HotS.
Although I'm not sure I will see any of that story if Blizzard decides to release D3 before HotS. At least not for the coming year. :)
Edited by Telenil on 11/10/11 16:17 (BST)
What's up with the hate? I agree on the part that it's not the best storyline out there, but calling it "complete and utter bullcrap" is somewhat exaggerrated.It's mostly because a lot of us were fans of the Brood War storyline. The story of Starcraft 2 isn't "terrible" in the absolute sense, just cliché and forgettable. Now if you take the Brood War storyline as a standard... Not only does Starcraft 2 completely fail to recreate the ambiance of the first game (except in a few rare moments), but it makes huge and pointless retcons on many major characters.
I remember when I led Zeratul to the second Overmind tendril. I listened to the dialog, and I felt something terrible was about to happen...
mostly this. I could have handled the artefact. Okay, it's clishéd to just throw a holy macguffin in there, but okay, I could roll with it. But honestly, what they did to Zeratul, Jimmy and Kerrigan, that's hard for me to swallow.
Don't even get me started on Tassadar or the Overmind.
Tassadar made a noble sacrifice, giving his life to defeat the scourge of the galaxy, a being that would assimilate every single living thing given half a chance.
PSYCHE! Tassadar isn't dead and the creature responsible for billions upon billions of horrible deaths is actually a noble creature that's being made to do things against his will. The real bad guy is a generic evil dude without a face, without motivation and with only cliched dialogue. Oh and the new evil race of hybrids follows his lead by being about as bland a villain as you can get: no weaknesses, no motivation, just mindless being evil because it's evil.
I'm sorry, that's not a clever twist, that's retconning and burning every possible bridge you can find.
Edited by btimofte on 11/10/11 18:09 (BST)
Yeap. I think blizzard takes us for fools since we pay their flawed games with a LOT of cash . Ok i dont mind if stacraft 2 wast 20 euros , but with this current tag price and horrible story in campains the only thing to do is to never buy blizzard products ...
I paid my hard earned cash only to play the campaing and it !@#$ing sucked . No way near Sc1 storry.
F^&&k you Blizzard.I know from where i would getyour releases next time.
You could have saved your hard earned cash by coming here beforehand and reading all the other trolls whining about buwuhu, how bad is the story.
This is an action game. Nobody is complaining about the story of, say, Avatar. If you want a complex story, go read a book.
I liked the campaign much more than the SC1 campaign, which went like Kill all Terran bases, kill all Terran bases, kill all Protoss bases, kill all Terran bases. Much more interesting in SC2. And the story is supposed to support the gameplay, not the other way round. Which it does just fine.
Aaah, I love the threads of you little idiots... "Lets make conclusions about the whole storyline as if we knew everything after having seen the first third!"
If I were to judge SC1 by the Terran campaign I wouldnt even consider continuing with the Zerg campaign. So how bout you stop whining around and wait until Legacy of the Void is released and you finished it. THEN we might talk again...
I remember my killscore in "In Utter Darkness" concerning Hybrids was more than 100... ye, no weaknesses, indeed. And as I said: ofc we do not know why the Dark Voice is doing all this: We havent had a chance by now as all we have seen is a vision and no dialogue or something.
But what am I trying to accomplish...? People who post like this dont listen anyways...
Taro ruul asz.
Edited by Cirocco on 12/10/11 12:29 (BST)
When I say "no weakness" I don't mean physically (though lore-wise the hybrids rank at humongously powerful because they draw the best from both P and Z), I mean character wise. These things have no character flaw, no emotion, no nothing. They don't plot, they don't fight because they're angry and want revenge, they don't fight to protect things or people they love, they don't fight for anything. They just fight. At least Zerg had the concept of a hive mind. Even though the individual zergling isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, it still has a drive, a motivation, i.e. everything for the swarm. If the swarm survives, that's all that matters.
Yes, we only saw one part out of three, but to go one on your analogy, in the terran campaign of the original SC, I saw Jimmy and very quickly, I thought "y'know, that is one cool dude". Then I saw his well intentioned but perhaps somewhat naive attitude to protect everything and everyone and his unquestioning belief that Arcturusk shared that vision and I sighed a little. I met Kerrigan and I smiled. Then I saw her unquestionable loyalty to scheming, plotting, machiavelistic Mengsk and I frowned.
Everyone in that campaign was a fleshed out character with drives, emotions and weaknesses (which automatically come along with simply having a motivation). Hell, Mengsk was one of the best of all. First time you meet him, he seems like an honorable straight up guy. As the campaign progresses, he starts showing his true nature more and more.
You could argue that a similar thing will happen with HotS and LotV: characters will develop beyond bland villains and become more fleshed out, etc. But here's the thing. SC I terran campaign: no horribly cheesy dialog (that I can remember. This has been several years after all), no generic bland characters without emotion, drive or motivation to start off with, no massive retcons (because say what you will, WoL had retcons. Big ones.), etc. The beginning of the SC I campaign started with showing you the basic personality traits on characters and worked from there.
WoL just deposits the most bland villain ever and retcons established characters to something completely different, just to fit the current story. Biggest examples are Overmind, Zeratul and Kerrigan. Jimmy's motivation got a complete overhaul (suddenly in love with Kerrigan. Didn't see much of that in SC I or BW as far as i remember), but the character change I can actually get. He was betrayed, lost a lot of friends and he sinks into the drink. I can get into that, no prob.
Kerrigan goes from being the most evil, cunning and selfish !@#$% in the universe to wanting to have herself and the entire swarm killed by the returning Xel'naga? Explain that one to me. Similar case for the Overmind. "Oh but in reality it was all completely different" is no better than "it was all a dream, now we tell the real story". It's a way to isolate previous events and do your own thing. And in this case that thing looks worse than the original one, story wise.
Can it improve? Absolutely. Will it improve? Hopefully. Can it be un-done? No. Retcons have happened, new characters have been established, old ones have changed dramatically and it's all canon. You can repair something, but a repaired version will never be as good as one that simply never broke, no matter how good the repair.
As a final note, calling other people idiots without basis isn't helping your arguments.
People, who expect anything to happen after they opened such threads ARE plain idiots. Fine, you made a point, and now...? Criticism of the storyline is as useful as balance suggestions but I wont bother explaining it; it is obvious.
Mensk? We already know him, so there cannot be many surprises. Dark Voice? Oh, yeah because we already know everything about it, indeed.
Again, back then it was all new and now we already have a position and know much about the different factions we occur while playing the storyline. It would be boring to see the exact same motivations just with new characters (although Matt is very close to SC1 Jim). So if we get to know new characters which are completely different ones then their motivations can also be completely different. And btw, stupid ideas of Kerrigan: "Ok, I defeated all my enemies after Brood War and they have no chance against me... k, imma have sum beauty rest...".
And of course you know that it isnt the same with the Hybrids... Zerg dont really "feel" in any different way from what we saw yet.
And about the way people talk; From the point of view, lets say 20 ys ago, we allready talk like idiots. If you didnt notice: vernacular changes. Rapidly.
Taro ruul asz.
The amount of dictatorship (a la !@#$-Germany and such) that is still around these days...
I find it staggering.
In all seriousness though, I find it extremely disrespectful and antisocial, how some people are treating others with a different opinion.
They have their own views and a right to share them, regardless if its pro or contra.
And like it or not, but criticism is a very important part of video gaming.
Since developers need to know about their flaws. So that they may do it better next time.
I just can't believe that some people are so hellbent on silencing it...
I already said before, that I dislike the story myself.
For reasons that have been repeated hundreds of times already.
So no need for me to go over all that again.
But seriously. People have different opinions and right to share it. Deal with it!
When it comes to fights such as those, you may realize that the traits of dictatorship are still around and very common.
But that's a different story...
Oha, someone is swinging the cliché-stick...
If you want to maintain your point this fiercely then why did you even bother opening this thread? What kind of replies did you expect?
If you just wanted to state something then you better should have closed the replies or you will have to accept opposing opinions; it is mine, that people who open such threads act in an idiotic and wrong way.
Better first think and then whine next time...
Taro ruul asz.
You experienced a 1/3 of 1/3 (HotS & LotV next).
The Dialogues? There is this thing called Novice players that learn how to play the game this way.
Best buy 2010.
Only multiplayer saves it a bit, or else it would have been a big fail.
They're proud of SCII.
This is not Warcraft IV disguised as Starcraft.
Patching ThroughThat doesn't make any sense. The original Starcraft was only 1/2 of the entire game (Brood War came next), yet they didn't half of a story.The story is crap and cliched.
Even if Blizzard makes deep characters and a consistant storyline in the next expansions, that won't change anything to the WoL storyline. Raynor carrying a naked Kerrigan towards the sunset in an atmosphere that burn people alive will still look stupid, Kate Lockwell will still work at UNN despite sabotaging the Dominion propaganda at every turn, and so on.
It will still be /facepalm moments even if the story gets better in the expansions.
And again, no one denies that the gameplay is fantastic, even in the single player. It is the story specifically that doesn't meet the expectations we had from Brood War.
OP doesn't state why the story is "crap", therefore I'm categorizing him/her as annoying troll.
I believe it's because the original game and broodwar had more story, 3 campaigns each. Many of the missions objectives were to kill all enemy structures. I don't see how that's good storytelling.
Warfield could of have said that to frighten or to make the situation serious for Jim or Valerian. I'm not investigating the Kate Lockwell issue, I don't feel I know enough about it.
BLIZZARD WHERE THE HELL ARE U???
the storyline is crap
and it has nothing of the good storyline writing like in wc3 or brood war :/
the thing is that in brood war and wc3 the campaign was long well written (close to tears somethimes)
AND had many characters and the story was complex. here u can play the 4 first missions and jump to the last char missions without to get confused.
But in brood war was every single mission a part of a fantastic story and u need to play all to fully grasp the story.
BLIZZARD i really hope u get back the old wc and brood war spirit and not just consentrate on multiplayer thank u.