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mutaliks help
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Edited by erdem on 11/01/12 16:52 (GMT)
my mutaliks threads are getting locked.
my point is mutaliks is very very hard to deal and if you play 10 match and all of them are zerg you can get angry and open a thread like "OP", "nerf it" etc.. anyway! Wilko is helping me a lot here. many many thanks!!! I hope I can here more from you. thanks. and I'm going to upload my replays. its very helpful! Wilkos's last respond: Just played a game, in which my opponent played mass muta base trade Sadly it wasn't a straight up game and my multi-tasking wasn't good enough to handle everything correctly, but this is the only replay i've got for now It's Taldarim Cross Position against a Grandmaster Zerg He opened 7 Pool and i Forge Expand I defended with a cannon in my mineral-line, but messed up slightly, so it went into an even game from then on The game was quite stressful, i did build my dark shrine, but i forgot using it, when i was occupied with the muta-harrass I build a Templar Archive, but i also didn't build High Templar, Archons or upgrade storm, so you see, i still had a huge room to do better I built many cannons at my 3rd and 4th, and i split my blink stalker, so he couldn't harrass me between my main and third continously (i think Taldarim is actually the hardest ladder map vs muta-play, since all 3 mineral lines are quite far apart and you arn't able to blink between main and third) Then he build mass spine crawler while raiding my base, but i broke it and when i was about to kill all his tech and was able to morpg mass archon, he was forced to retreat with his mass-mutas and defend If i get a better replay i will post it, but i will train some 2base blink stalker all-ins for now to prepare for the german national-team qualifier If you got another replay vs mass muta, go ahead and post it and i will take a look and help you step by step Here is the DL-Link for my replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?61ltxgof50houfg |
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i heard that just making archons and zealots and a moving is a good counter.
but seriously, mutas are very good at killing undefended probes, but if you put one or two cannon at each line you should have time to move stalkers or archons to deal with them. archons destroy mutas, especially with upgrades on attack. also, just kill him. if he has a huge muta cloud he probably has nothing that can stand to your army, unless your macro is much worse than his. and the reason your threads keep getting closed is probably because whining about imbalance is boring, mutas obviously arent OP or zergs would only ever make them. |
And you can't understand why???? -Take the hint.
^^ my point is mutaliks is very very hard to deal and if you play 10 match and all of them are zerg you can get angry and open a thread like "OP", "nerf it" etc.. anyway Lots of things are hard to deal with if you don't know how. Whine about OP is not the answer. Make a thread asking for help (your problem) instead of "mutas are OP". This thread is better, but quit defending the old one. |
thanks I said anyway. lets forget thanks. any help about mutaliks would perfect. I'm going to share my mutaliks games. whoever wants give me advises thanks so much. |
0/10 Theres a reason your threads are getting locked, and I already have linked you the TL thread that everyone links when a P asks for help against mutas. |
Why 0/10? :O |
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I have the same problem with mutaliks. Last game i was against IdrA on tal'darim too! I mkae marines on both mineral line! I forgot thor so is room for imporvement there.. But it very hard to stop when i cant jump from main to third with marine! If i build turret the mutaliks kill the building worker so it very hard to build them. So i push but then his mutaliks just kill my base... And when he finally come to defend all my marine are dead!!! I dont know what to do!!?
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Switch to terran and learn to use marines, you will never have trouble with mutalisks again.
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Because Diamonds dont beat/play vs GM |
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Edited by iMerciLess on 23/01/12 20:40 (GMT)
I think FFE and 2Xstargate and slowly but steady making alot of phoenix while teching is a pretty good way to go!
i am silver, but i practice against a platZerg. i completly crushed his mutaball when he tried to harrass my probes( also 3 cannons near minerals) and i had a pretty good force at the aintrance to counter attack...i enden up loosing the match, but not to those !@#$%^-Mutas! :) lost because of some dumb mistakes and desicsissions from my side! but i know i could easily have won! :) |
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u dont want to go up against mutas? dont let him get there or if u cant force that make sure u dont let him mass them beyond the point of handling them. how? put on constant presure, dont let him drone to 75 drones in 8 minutes. if u do, u will never get the mutas under control. presure makes him build units, zergs building units are NOT building drones. zergs without masses of drones can NOT insta mass anything exept maybe lings and roaches.
there you countered the mutas before they got out. after that make sure you got the weapons to deal with it. like the ones many have stated here before: blink stalkers, storms, archons and fenix |
u dont want to go up against mutas? dont let him get there or if u cant force that make sure u dont let him mass them beyond the point of handling them. how? put on constant presure, dont let him drone to 75 drones in 8 minutes. if u do, u will never get the mutas under control. presure makes him build units, zergs building units are NOT building drones. zergs without masses of drones can NOT insta mass anything exept maybe lings and roaches. i think its about fast scout. with probe, zelot. and I think its about fast respond and fast expand. harass as you say. don't let him drone and push push push. |
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Oh and don't forget to veto TalDarim, that map is the worst you can get when fighting mutas.
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Edited by Runkk on 03/02/12 03:25 (GMT)
Zergs going mutas is the only thing I can beat honestly, I have much, much more troubles with roach into roach/infestor into infestor/broodlord typed games. Mutas are pretty easy to beat honestly, just get the right amount of cannons, split of just enough of your army to be able to take on their mutas and leave it at home and counter attack at their base while you try to expand yourself. Getting as many expansions up as possible and knowing when theirs are going up is key.
Just hit Peterra on the ladder going mass muta, I think at one point all he had was mutas and some zerglings though originally he also had roaches and even tunneling claws, can't say I found it too hard to beat me and was pretty secure of my win when I took my fourth at the same time I killed his fourth, third and starting fifth, on top of that, my hands were frozen and I couldn't macro at all. But this matchup is not about macro, it's about correct army positioning. |
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You need to be prepared against mutas before he start harass with them/ And either timing push him or play static as hell at 2 base / late third. Still if he play good there is not much you can do if you let him macro up or and you lose any probes early. If I lose like 10 probes or more I go ALL-in coz there is no point of playing at all I'm behind and hes got broods on the way and complete map control there is now way that you beat this if you make mistakes early on putting 10 cannons / exp wont help at all just delay the pain ^^.
If you really scared of mutas just open with stargate 1 void and phoenixes and try to do some damage before he take the control of the map. |
