Topic Help for improvement
Mintocandco #868
Mintocandco
Hey fellow protoss players.
So i am a silver league(top) protoss player and i really want to get better,but i am kind of stuck between mid-high gold players and top silver.And i was wondering if you guys could help me.So i am asking you guys if you could watch the replays and give me tips,tricks and other points that i need to have to get higher in the league's.

So latest PvZ:
http://drop.sc/100728
Latests PVT
http://drop.sc/100730
http://drop.sc/100735
Latest PVP
http://drop.sc/100731
http://drop.sc/100736

So thanks in advance

Fabiqui
Nemrod #168
Nemrod
Without watching those replays it's rather easy to say what you need to do.

1. Go to teamliquid.net/sc2 and watch high level protoss games.
2. Grab a pencil, piece of paper and just write up step by step their openings.
3. Once you have those you can think about mid-game. Here I'd recommend to watch Day9 at day9.tv Just check his archives and look for dailies that concern protoss. There are really tons of those.

People in bronze and silver league in most of the cases just aren't really aware of the game. Day9 would surely help you. Watching his series helped me quite a bit.
Mintocandco #868
Mintocandco
Thanks for your answer,but what do you mean with that i am not "aware of the game?
Because i watch day9tv and pro streams epsecially whitera(men that guy is amasing) and destiny
So could you clear this for me?

Fabiqui
zanyhow #383
zanyhow
Edited by difenderu on 31/01/12 07:45 (GMT)
Without watching those replays it's rather easy to say what you need to do.

It's strange to hear such a phrase from Day9 fan... Sean, as I remember, usually insisting that you always should watch all your replays... Man, that pal even gave us a whole bunch of replays (which aren't occurs often) and you gonna give him an advice without even looking at his actual problems?! Wow, you such a guru... 0_o
Fenris #425
Fenris
I would not recommend copying someones build order from a stream or a vod. There are tons of tiny things they do as responses to what their opponent does and if you dont know those signs, you will die half the time to stuff that just happens to murder your build.

I am looking at your PvZ atm and will write things down as I go along.

First of all, your FFE seems a bit slow. When you scout a hatch first you should immidiately cannon his natural behind the minerals. Hatch gets dropped somewhere around 2.10 and pool into hatch about 2.50, so any hatch before 2.40 is a hatch first, those are your timings.

If you dont want to cannon, just make a nexus asap. You delay yours until after cannon, hatch and gas, that is too late. Notice how your opponent has no units at all. That nexus could have been up way sooner.

You could also work a bit on your wallin. Place the initial pylon better and you wont have holes like that. Once you get the hang of how, it gets really easy.

The thing is, you want to get a nexus down asap. After that you chrono probes and as soon as you get excess minerals drop a gate. As soon as the gate is done, drop a core. You want to get the warp tech researched as soon as you can, but not at the expense of your early game economy.

After that you can go for whatever you want really. If you open with stargate like you do, get faster gases at both your main and natural. You want to get the stargate immidiately after the cyber core in order to put on maximum pressure with your early units. Thats one of the reasons fast core is good. Id recommend at least one void ray to really force a response. Usually the followup is 3-4 gates and then a robo to transition into colossus. It depends on the opponents response though. If he goes spire, ignore the robo and go for 6-7 gate blink instead.

Either way, the idea is to FFE very fast to get the most probes out in the least possible time. Then use that income to get whatever tech you decide to go for and when you reveal your hand, transition into a more standard unit composition.

Fenris #425
Fenris
PvT:

You need to scout that gas timing. You were in his base but left before you saw if he had an extractor or not. This is a huge thing, it is the difference between a fast expand and agressive play. You cant afford to make the wrong read this early.

Second thing is the drops. You really need some form of vision to stop those, and stalkers in your base. I like to patrol observers around common drop paths like those on metalopolis.

You can and should definately try to expand quicker in PvT, both to your natural and to your third. Thing is, 2rax or not, you are going to be able to defend that pressure with a good 1gate expo into 3gate. After you got your colossus up in that first game, the mistake you did was that you attacked into 3 bunkers instead of taking a third and denying his third. Taking that natural is a job of a maxed out protoss army, not one around 80 food.

The second game was silly, wont comment on that :p
Nemrod #168
Nemrod
Edited by Nemrod on 31/01/12 14:23 (GMT)
Sorry for misunderstanding. I don't really use english often so it's sometimes hard for me to explain what I've in mind.
I'm talking about not knowing basics stuff like timings, some simple build orders and how to respond to what you scout.

I know it from experience. My average apm is ~40 but yet I had pretty easy time (and lots of fun) getting to platinum while playing just at the weekend.
It's all about knowing the game. That could probably bring you even further but well, still got much to learn.

And I still think that learning basic builds like 4gate, 3gate robo, 3gate expo, 1gate expo, FFE etc. really helps you a lot. You just don't struggle while you enter the game and think "gosh.. what to do next?"
Mintocandco #868
Mintocandco
A big thanks to all of you guys,i really enjoyed your response and i think it's goning to help me alot.
So a really big thanks to all of you for your responses :)

Fabiqui
zanyhow #383
zanyhow
Edited by difenderu on 31/01/12 16:58 (GMT)
Sorry for misunderstanding. I don't really use english often so it's sometimes hard for me to explain what I've in mind.
I'm talking about not knowing basics stuff like timings, some simple build orders and how to respond to what you scout.

I know it from experience. My average apm is ~40 but yet I had pretty easy time (and lots of fun) getting to platinum while playing just at the weekend.
It's all about knowing the game. That could probably bring you even further but well, still got much to learn.

And I still think that learning basic builds like 4gate, 3gate robo, 3gate expo, 1gate expo, FFE etc. really helps you a lot. You just don't struggle while you enter the game and think "gosh.. what to do next?"

Oh, that's how it is? It was partly a misunderstanding on my side too then, sorry. =)

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