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Because it's almost bringing me down to Platinum. Luckily I win all my PvPs and my PvZ is decent.

In the past I've managed to hold it off a few times, with chargelots, Immortals and a few Stalkers. Is that the only way? Or is there something I miss here? With no changes to the PvT balance I feel like I missed the clue of a very good joke.

Also, what should I do against all those other SCV all-ins? In the last days I've lost from Marine Banshee SCV, proxy Thors Marine SCV and the standard 1-1-1.
My army is bigger, I'm on 2x bases and have way more income, but still I can't hold off the attack. Those damned SCVs always block the way and/or repair themselves.

Thanks for the tips. I feel terrible for having to use the forum, but I guess that's what it's for. I know I can be top Diamond and maybe even Master, as long as I l2p vs Terran.

Theres MANY counters.....GOogle.

Google is a counter? Thanks for your incredible input! I honestly didn't really expect that from a Terran player, but you proved me wrong! You're a great guy, thanks again.

Google is a counter? Thanks for your incredible input! I honestly didn't really expect that from a Terran player, but you proved me wrong! You're a great guy, thanks again.

now that I know your low standard I will answer better just for you, pathetic whiner:

Go to teamliquid.net. Search for ''1-1-1 counters'' and put title + content.

A few counters on paper without details:
5gate 1 robo from 1gate FE
16 nexus into chargelots/immortals
4gate Warp prism all in
3gate void ray all in
Mass blink stalker from 2 base that harass and attack his army before hes at your main/natural (Need micro but will pick off MANY marines and tanks if played correctly)
- Any FE build that can transition into chargelots -

have you tried phoenix. i find them very usefull against 1-1-1. havent played against it al that much though

The difficult part is, that you don't know what's coming at you, wether it is a ton of marines or lot of tanks, with or without Siege Mode etc.

Personally I never lose to a 1-1-1, I don't know wether my opponents have pulled it off terribly or my response is just correct.
I do a 3gate-Robo, and as soon I scout the 1-1-1, i throw down an expansion and just start massing up units. I don't tech for Colossi, but start pumping out Immortals instead.
Also, don't stay above your ramp, you'll never get down again. Try to engage before the tanks sieges.

28/01/2012 15:24Posted by Canyarion

Google is a counter? Thanks for your incredible input! I honestly didn't really expect that from a Terran player, but you proved me wrong! You're a great guy, thanks again

wow, u are even too lazy to even search for guides that users created for players like you..
how dare you even insult someone pointing out that u could at least search once..

u don't deserve an answer with your lazy attitude. hope noone will help this guy

1 Gate FE into 5 gate robo with a bit of scouting at the front when you see him move out go intercept, the very worst situation is that he manages to siege up and and manages to kill everything by which time you can just chrono gates and or robo what you need

I've also played about with with double forge and really fast 1-1 upgrades with some decent success though I'm only Gold so perhaps not the best to say

28/01/2012 19:53Posted by Yuffie

Google is a counter? Thanks for your incredible input! I honestly didn't really expect that from a Terran player, but you proved me wrong! You're a great guy, thanks again

wow, u are even too lazy to even search for guides that users created for players like you..
how dare you even insult someone pointing out that u could at least search once..

u don't deserve an answer with your lazy attitude. hope noone will help this guy

What kind of reply is that? I ask for advice in this thread, this forum is the correct place for that. Then some Terran player (who is known for making troll threads that get locked) acts like it's no big deal and there are many counters. But he doesn't bother to share his own experiences. He simply refers to Google.
So I decide to throw in some sarcasm. And guess what, it helped! He bothered to list some 'counters'.

By the way, I never asked for 'counters'. I asked for ways to defend it. I also asked for ways to deal with any other SCV all-in. Do I target-fire the SCVs, do I pull Probes, do I retreat to build up a bigger army with my triple income?

Thanks guys for the help. I'll try rushing to Chargelots next time. I always go 1G FE vs Terran these days. I guess I need some better scouting to see all the all-ins coming.
Any other experiences?

y u no mentshun kolosus

28/01/2012 21:54Posted by aganjaholic

y u no mentshun kolosus

Chargelot + colo works good too but...meh u can die if he pushes 9:00 with 1-1-1 imo.

Personally I love quick expo with chargelot+ armor upgrade <3 Just do a gas steal if you suspect 1-1-1 and he won't have cloaked banshee anytime soon.

Never lost to any variation of 1-1-1 since I learned it from TL around september/october.

Against SCV allin? If you scout it with your stalker (you should), just kite them back and chrono stalkers (if you don't have a ramp, if you do just get a sentry out). Pull probes and you should be fine.

colossus. use them.

do not
do not
do not
do not waste your mineral and gas with stalker!!!!


DON'T MAKE STALKER against 1-1-1

4 of them at least for just defending your mineral line against banshee.

if you see he makes more bashee then you expected you can wrap 3 more in sec.

so do not do not waste your mineral and gas against 1-1-1

instead of making stalker make more colossus, zelots, more gateways.

1gate expand into robo into 2-3 more gates, 1 observer and then pump immortals, go heavy immortal zealot with some sentries and stalkers, try to stall him as much as you can, force a pdd in the middle if u can or at least a siege up, when he gets to your natural ff theb est u can and focus fire the tanks with immortals, after the tanks are dead u can make stalkers.

dont go for colossus if u think he will come early, since without range your single colossus will get sniped fast and all your tech will be worth nothing.

against the later versions getting charge and archons would be good but u can handle with zealot immortal.

29/01/2012 08:20Posted by MoskoPwR

1gate expand into robo into 2-3 more gates

So how do I know I need a fast Robo? Scout the ramp and check if there are Marauders?

And what do you other guys think about a gas steal?

29/01/2012 08:36Posted by Canyarion

1gate expand into robo into 2-3 more gates

So how do I know I need a fast Robo? Scout the ramp and check if there are Marauders?

And what do you other guys think about a gas steal?

yes!!

you then have to make observer and you you will see if he goes only marrine tank or 1-1-1

advice i can give you from a terran, force an early siege if you know its comming via an observer ( at this point make sure u have expanded ) push in with ur units in his army DONT ENGAGE just force an siege this will delay his push by about 10-15 sec, keep doing that, when he already has to siege halfway of the map he is screwed and either has to take a big risk by unsieging and going, or giving protoss enough time to get more units

check this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379

no player in platin or diamond can play an unholdable 1 1 1...

vs terran u allways want to have a fast robo, as long as u dont scout gasless expand?..