StarCraft® II

First you need to know something number of wins is not skill and it is not mmr.
Second When I started playing SC2, it was my first rts. I had no experience. I put a rule in my mind which is "I will never win a game but every lose is a win". After a while I won my first game and after the match I said to my self What was he doing where is his army. So I think you should accept the fact that you will most likely lose around 20 matches before you begin winning anything. My advice is to just keep playing. And dont be afraid to lose you are bronze you cant get depromoted from there. Just play(Even I when I have 6 losing streak I begin facing people who are much worse than me and I win easily) The system works perfectly.

26/06/2012 13:10Posted by blap

thought i'd give 1v1 a go, first placement match against the 4th top master league player, lost in seconds. explain how i'm meant to get better when the game is just stressing me out? its not even like i can practice vs platinum they are stupidly easy.

Do u expect the system to know your skill even before you play your first match?. You lost to master the system will give you a diamond you lose he gives you a plat you win he gives you diamond you lose he places you in plat. Do you see my point

blap you're a massive troll remove yourself, lemme guess you think you're the god of this game then yeah?

fine !@#$ this, gunna spend the rest of my time, joining games, losing and getting mad, hopefully this improves the matchmaking.

26/06/2012 14:42Posted by Arkasia

fine !@#$ this, gunna spend the rest of my time, joining games, losing and getting mad, hopefully this improves the matchmaking.

If you're getting mad after losing a game, you should probably look into the reasons as of why, or your SC2 career might just fall really short. It's not just one or two of my friends that failed to get into the game due to not being ok with losing games when playing 1v1.

Rather look to improve your own game. That way you can simply ignore the matchmaking system, and pay all your attention to your own playing, and eventually rise through the ranks without even thinking about things like "when will i promote" "why does this matchmaking often put higher league players against me".

I saw that you have only played your placement matches in 2v2. That's why you have played against people a lot better than yourself. The system checks how good you are so you don't have to start at the bottom and work all the way up if you f.x. are a diamond or master player.

And if you rage and get mad by losing a game I don't think that sc2 is a game for you. Even tho it's against better players.

26/06/2012 11:39Posted by Arkasia

in my 2v2 with my friend we are both bronze and we are getting matched against silvers more often than bronze.

Firstly, saying bronze or silver means absolutely nothing. They could be low silver and you high bronze.

Second, you are talking about arranged teams here. Now I assume AT leagues would not be the same as RT leagues because... why would they? So if you are a bronze AT and you meet silver RT players that is not an indication of an imbalance in the match up.

Remember, match making doesn't consider leagues when it find you opponents. Also remember that you are "competing" against the players in your division (even though you don't play against them) not against the players you meet. Because of division offsets and other nonsense you can't just look at leagues. How do you determine what league your opponents are? Be aware that their profile shows their 'best' league. You might well play against a bronze 2v2 team and then look at one of the players profiles and see a 2v2 silver icon that refers to a completely different team you didn't play against.

I know, the ladder is stupid. Match making on the other hand is world class.

26/06/2012 11:39Posted by Arkasia

2v2 games ive played around 22

How many have you won?

26/06/2012 11:39Posted by Arkasia

1v1 games only my 5 placment, won 1 lost 4

That no where near enough to get an accurate idea of how well you are being matched. Can you play another 25 and record the league and division of each opponent and if you won or lost, then we can assess it and see if you've got a problem (its really unlikely there will be a problem).

He doesn't have a problem. He's complaining because he's losing as a new player to people that aren't new.

That's what happens. It placed me against a high platinum player in my placement matches. I had never played an RTS before. I didn't complain. I got back on ladder and kept playing.

Getting him to collect all that data to prove that he doesn't have a problem would just be a pointless exercise.
"matchmaking sucks because I'm not good yet but it's placing me against decent players and I want to win a lot not lose."

26/06/2012 10:22Posted by papaz

1. Until you hit, say platinum league, don't bother scouting. You will not change your build based upon what you see so scouting is basically useless as a new player.

Horrible advice if you dont scout at all your rly limiting yourself. and you would also be more vurnerable to airplay etc

26/06/2012 19:34Posted by Vezux

1. Until you hit, say platinum league, don't bother scouting. You will not change your build based upon what you see so scouting is basically useless as a new player.

Horrible advice if you dont scout at all your rly limiting yourself. and you would also be more vurnerable to airplay etc

Not really, yes you might lose to some things like that but it's more important to focus on your macro (i.e the basics)

With even a minimal amount of practice of macro you will get into at least gold.

OP, post a replay.

Then, pick a build order. Learn it, master it.

Then worry abut everything else, you cant get better at this game unless you master the basics.

Not really, yes you might lose to some things like that but it's more important to focus on your macro (i.e the basics)

With even a minimal amount of practice of macro you will get into at least gold.

Pretty much yep. It's perfectly possible up to at least gold league to just do some generic strategy blindly with good mechanics behind it, and 0 scout info.

There're counters to such strategies, and sometimes you lose instantly. But since 1 game doesn't matter, you'll still end up winning far more games than losing.

Scouting at start should at the level of "does he expand or not?" If no expand, don't go adding third. Then just proceed macroing up like a boss, and even win against soft counters since you have way more stuff on the field.

Yeah, it's important with learning to minimize the complications.

That's why the most effective way to learn the basics is to keep the game simple; walk before you can run.

- Just use one build
- Dont try and overcomplicate strategy
- Dont try gimicy stuff (cheesy play)

This allows you to focus on building workers, spending minerals/gas, not getting supply blocked, etc.

Once you have that nailed, then move on to another build, by which point things like hotkeys, and general good macro are second nature. Then worry about scouting and the general metagame.

You do need minimal scouting like:
Where he is.
When he's moving out.
That's about it really. You just make units faster and you'll beat him.
The strategy of it will either make you have less units while you play, or you'll learn how to not let that happen and you'll crush your opponents even more.

How about you leave 20 games that doesnt take much time at all, than the system will see that you are loseing a lot. Than you can work your way up from the bottom of bronze.

27/06/2012 07:03Posted by Alpha

How about you leave 20 games that doesnt take much time at all, than the system will see that you are loseing a lot. Than you can work your way up from the bottom of bronze.

This is a terrible idea, just play the game.

26/06/2012 17:41Posted by KaNwA

Getting him to collect all that data to prove that he doesn't have a problem would just be a pointless exercise.

Not pointless if it helps him. By showing him where to look, without dismissing his claims outright, he will (hopefully) reach the correct conclusions on his own. If he doesn't reach the correct conclusions then when he posts back here with the data we can lead them to him ourselves. We could settle for just telling him he is wrong, but in my experience people don't accept that because they are already convinced of their opinion and won't be challenged until confronted with the evidence. Best way to help in my opinion.

26/06/2012 19:34Posted by Vezux

Horrible advice if you dont scout at all your rly limiting yourself. and you would also be more vurnerable to airplay etc

To be fair to papaz this isn't as horrible advice as you'd think, although he kind of said it backwards. What he is really getting at is that scouting is less important than other factors (not getting supply blocked, constantly making workers etc) and once he has those other factors in place and is performing them like second nature that will get him to platinum. At which point he can then worry about improving scouting.

So it is not that he shouldn't scout, it is that he shouldn't divert time from concentrating on more fundamentals to improve scouting until he has mastered those fundamentals first. Scouting is a distraction.

I played with a guy he was slightly favored. I beat him. my ladder point was more then his. then next game there he go again. and he was slightly favored again. so, i said wtf?

26/06/2012 09:53Posted by Arkasia

how can i play more games, if it's not fun? i'm not saying i'm amazing at this game, but these people are soooooooo much better

I completely understand your problem, and I felt the same way when I started playing Warcraft III back in those days.
But if you give it a shot or get into it by watching some guide videos on youtube, you might find it more attractive.
I'll give you a good link for each race below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux_nslpWqaE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdGC4nfM56Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFQEQ255Kio

Dude you've played 9 games.... NINE... and you're talking about match making.... r u even serious right now or you're just trolling....