StarCraft® II

Time to do like those TL.NET people and start adapting:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349814

Survival of the fittest!

Blizzard said that anything from 45% to 55% is acceptable. And in korea the winrates are terran's favored. So I think no nerf or buff is needed.

Before the patch TvZ was more balanced and stats were better, so even if 45-55 is acceptable, why would they prefer this than a 48-52 or 49-51 ?
I don't know if it ever happens Blizzard removed one of their nerf/buff (accepting this was a mistake), can't remember but if not : right now would be good to be the first time.

wanna see TvZ win ratio with game time...

I don´t believe that (even i KR) is "non-proxy 2 rax" ratio +-50%

Yes nice suggestion!

I like more data also and not only from tournaments. Information about winrates on ladder and the representation of each race in the league's.

Yep the game is balanced, lets all switch to zerg now....

Btw, this shows that its took terrans a month to come up with a series of allins for 2/3 of their matchups, wonderfull.

wanna see TvZ win ratio with game time...

I don´t believe that (even i KR) is "non-proxy 2 rax" ratio +-50%

I like how stupid these arguments are, they make me laugh.

Let's assume you're right! Doesn't that mean T is really OP anywhere before lategame?

Will this mean that terran whiners will stop their whining? Probably not unfortunately.

wanna see TvZ win ratio with game time...

I don´t believe that (even i KR) is "non-proxy 2 rax" ratio +-50%

Yes nice suggestion!

I like more data also and not only from tournaments. Information about winrates on ladder and the representation of each race in the league's.

if u want ladder datas then u are stupid. LAdder isnt a good sample cuz ppl from different leagues can play. All league doesnt matter since GM would be the only relevant sample if only GM vs GM can happen, but not.

funny how I always hear that Protoss is OP... but while looking at the charts I've been wondering: have P ever been above other race since release?

03/07/2012 08:31Posted by pierOOg

funny how I always hear that Protoss is OP... but while looking at the charts I've been wondering: have P ever been above other race since release?

You can hear that all races are OP but on tournaments level since release Protoss in general was weakest race.

ZvT is h-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s

TvZ looks a bit scary at the moment, but overall the game is pretty balanced.

People saying another race is OP generally have much to improve upon their own play.

03/07/2012 05:31Posted by OneCoolDude

Will this mean that terran whiners will stop their whining? Probably not unfortunately.

The stats on TvZ are quite worrying. Anyone with half a clue should know the korean sample size is too small to be reliable.

That statistic prolly just typed the end for terran whining. 52% in korea in favour of terran. Thanks.

Well to be honest the korean sample size is too small so let's jump back to the international ones, 55% in favour zerg 45% for terran. Blizzard acts with 60% from there we have come down by 5%. So seems like terrans are finding the cure and the game, after all, is not broken.

Now we know this - so the crying..justified? No! :)

02/07/2012 16:52Posted by StatiC

Good. I hope terrans will shut up now.

I don't think so.

but I don't understand one thing. if a race are played more than other it'll have more wins then others. Is there some calculation for this or all races are played equally?

To all the terran players,

It is really easy to counter a zerg player. I personally do drops while I am pushing with my army and that's it. I do not play terran but sometimes I do. I kinda like the race but still, I prefer zerg.

03/07/2012 09:50Posted by suprPeterra

Well to be honest the korean sample size is too small so let's jump back to the international ones, 55% in favour zerg 45% for terran. Blizzard acts with 60% from there we have come down by 5%. So seems like terrans are finding the cure and the game, after all, is not broken.

If this was true, we wouldnt have seen a single patch during the whole timeline this graph represents. Still we have seen patches, something must be wrong with your assertion that blizzard acts only with 60% winrates.

03/07/2012 10:08Posted by erdem

but I don't understand one thing. if a race are played more than other it'll have more wins then others. Is there some calculation for this or all races are played equally?

I hope you are not serious...

That statistic prolly just typed the end for terran whining. 52% in korea in favour of terran. Thanks.

Well to be honest the korean sample size is too small so let's jump back to the international ones, 55% in favour zerg 45% for terran. Blizzard acts with 60% from there we have come down by 5%. So seems like terrans are finding the cure and the game, after all, is not broken.

Now we know this - so the crying..justified? No! :)

Sorry but there was never 60% in any matchup in sc2 history, you must be confused