StarCraft® II

This is also very stupid. If you play greedy - make early expansion or fast 3rd orbital, then you obviously want to use the mules because they will give you an economy boost. If you use "imba map hack scan" you can't use mules at the same time.
Remember that 1 cc with orbital is 550m and you need to drop 2 mules just to pay it off, the third one actually gives you economic advantage. If you scan, you don't have that advantage anymore. Making 1 extra scv is not worth the investment of having early 3rd cc.

Aha, but if you go fast 3 bases as zerg, you want 16 drones there asap, to make make it pay for itself, but we can't do that, since you as a decent terran will move out to force us to make units.

If zerg can spare some minerals, then YOU can prolly too, don't ya think?

Posted by Mojzii
This game is so broken, i just can't belive that blizzard dont do nothing about it... I think i can go zerg or protoss, easy grandmaster....

Then why are not all grandmasters toss/zerg?

EU GRANDMASTER:
86 PROTOSS
82 ZERG
39 TERRAN

GLOBAL GRANDMMASTER:
399 PROTOSS
387 ZERG
266 TERRAN

Just waint 1 season more, grandmaster terran will be extinct

Nope. There have always been less gm terrans.. you wanna know why? because visually, terran looks like !@#$ compared to zerg and protoss.

Yeeh I really hate fungal growth:P it is to good I mean its a spell that works perfect on every unit in the game, maybe not every unit but nearly;)

I think that the problem is that you whine to much, if look at the statistics the only match up that is "unbalanced" is TvZ so just wait I think and I hope that Blizzard will nerf Zerg or buff Terran:)

08/07/2012 20:58Posted by VIPIceThorN

Nope. There have always been less gm terrans.. you wanna know why? because visually, terran looks like !@#$ compared to zerg and protoss.

Can that even count as an argument?

EU GRANDMASTER:
86 PROTOSS
82 ZERG
39 TERRAN

GLOBAL GRANDMMASTER:
399 PROTOSS
387 ZERG
266 TERRAN

Just waint 1 season more, grandmaster terran will be extinct

Nope. There have always been less gm terrans.. you wanna know why? because visually, terran looks like !@#$ compared to zerg and protoss.

Lol, you do realize you shat over yourself with that statement?

EU GRANDMASTER:
86 PROTOSS
82 ZERG
39 TERRAN

GLOBAL GRANDMMASTER:
399 PROTOSS
387 ZERG
266 TERRAN

Just waint 1 season more, grandmaster terran will be extinct

Nope. There have always been less gm terrans.. you wanna know why? because visually, terran looks like !@#$ compared to zerg and protoss.

What have you been smoking? Your race, zerg, looks like !@#$. Mutated bugs with tentacles that need to be put down by blowing their brains out they don't have. Speaking of brains, zerg is the ultimate a-move race and zerg micro doesn't exist.

08/07/2012 22:25Posted by PanzerElite

What have you been smoking? Your race, zerg, looks like !@#$. Mutated bugs with tentacles that need to be put down by blowing their brains out they don't have

laughed so hard =))

holy !@#$ this is more retarded than earlier

08/07/2012 20:58Posted by VIPIceThorN

Nope. There have always been less gm terrans.. you wanna know why? because visually, terran looks like !@#$ compared to zerg and protoss.

I think you just pretty much made all your statements irrelevant. I mean how can anybody take anything you say seriously after saying this...

There should be a hotfix to the situation as it is a patch should come up asap and buff terran or nerf the 2 other races

Mvp has never been really good outside gsl(Where u can prepare for ur opponent). And terran havent still figured out tvz. Is the mu broken... noone knows yet. But blizz needs to give terrans time to figure out new !@#$ before they patch. If it is broken it will be fixed.

The state of tvz reminds me alot of zvp a long time ago. Zerg went roach/hydra/corupotor and lost every %^-*ing zvp. Finnely zerg figured out a ton of new strategys(after month of frustration with the mu). Then toss was completely lost in the mu for like 2 month and then they figured out to play against z again.

I feel like this is somewhat like the zvp was atm. Z got a queen buff, terrans old builds dosent work anymore. Terran is gonna get 2-3 month, they gonna figure out new builds/timings, everything is gonna be fine again

BYE*!

You mean MVP has never been good outside of the GSL like when he won MLG Anaheim?

Please

Maybe mvp was just slower these few games.

APM doesn't have anything to do with him winning/losing.

He played bw and he has some of the best terran mechanics in sc2
Only player that could be mechanically better than him in sc2 is DRG i think.

Jonsoload basically saw/said the same thing as me on page 1 and he is right.
If you rewatch the game you can see that ret is making a big round of drones right at the time mvp is at his watchtower waiting for stim/cs to finish.

After that, huge investment from mvp into making the push work (which delays his upgrades, other tech like tanks and 3rd base) is unable to do anything, despide very good unit control on mvp's side.

After that he was behind and was fighting an uphill battle because ret was droning heavily before the push and also was able to remake lost drones very fast after the push, and mvp didn't have army to be present on the map anymore.

So basically
1. One player executes his timing perfectly - right number of supply at time mark, finished upgrades, good unit control
2. Other player is playing very greedy and defends easily despite no actual mistake from the player who made the push.

Greedy play should always be risky, no matter what race you play. If x player fast expands or makes fast 3rd base, he should be in a lot of trouble against player y who invested a lot into doing damage at the time player x still doesn't benefit from extra base because it didn't play of.

Or even more simply said
1. greedy play should always be very risky
2. strong timings should work against very risky play

This is currently not the case in TvZ

Also, something that once we all considered to be hardest part of playing zerg now doesn't exist in TvZ. Should I make drones or army units?
At the moment, zerg has

1. map control in all stages of the game
2. can use 4-6 queens effectively to hold any minor aggression - queens dont use larva so less larva is used on army units/more on drones
3. being able to play much greedier enables zerg to still be fine even if he loses 10-20 drones to terran push, because now he will probably have 10-15 drones more than he would have had in that time period before the patch. So in the end, terran is trading his whole army for maybe killing 5-6 drones at best.

Do you have a link to the vod? I am interested to see MVP's build and timing of the attack.

Wow, this VIPIceThorN guy is experiencing severe delirium.

Des

When Ret 2-0's MVP. This is a joke of game balance.

Naama 2-1 MVP tvt is imba right?:)

because 2 rax and bunker rushes were really interesting right
its not like they were some bull!@#$ chease that was very easy to do and very hard to stop and didn't even slow terran that much ,if other races tried to pull of something like this they were sacrificing so much eco and tech that it was basically a all in
and some people stil claim they lose on ladder because of some stupid queen range not because they made 999999 mistakes

Very easy to do and very hard to stop. Interesting.
Isn't that the reverse of lategame TvZ?
Very easy for Zerg (or Protoss) to do and very hard for Terran.
Guess Blizzard will obliterate Zerg (and Protoss) lategame now.
Feel much better now.
THANKS.

The state of tvz reminds me alot of zvp a long time ago. Zerg went roach/hydra/corupotor and lost every %^-*ing zvp. Finnely zerg figured out a ton of new strategys(after month of frustration with the mu). Then toss was completely lost in the mu for like 2 month and then they figured out to play against z again.

By "Zerg figured" you mean they started using buffed infestors?

Also i assume most frustratign part for Terrans is that current state of TvZ is not caused by new great strategy invented by Zerg but just because of Blizzard "balance" changes.

how is zerg lategame easy ? terran drops everywhere and he has a bigger army because hes at like 30 scv or something
im not saying terran late game is easyer but plz think for a bit before you say something
watch a zerg play lategame he will be in a freakin frenzy zending lings all over the map while stil having to fight whit hes army while the terran can focus more on hes army at that moment because he already sent the drops