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3 pylons blocking my ramp, REALLY?
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If you go pool first, you will have lings out in time to kill one pylon and a cannon before it warps in.
Also, going for a pool first allows you to build spines immediately to crush the attack. Basically, by going pool first you prevent the protoss from doing this to you to begin with. If you went for a pool first and the toss still does this, you should win the 1 base vs 1 base game that this will follow. In the case that the protoss expands behind it, tech to nydus and swarm his main with roach-ling. There is no way he can hold that with so many minerals invested in his early push. |
If you go pool first, you will have lings out in time to kill one pylon and a cannon before it warps in. Depends on the timing of the pool. The guy here went 14 or 15p and still didn't get lings out in time. The lings appear 5 seconds after the cannon starts, and, no matter which pylon you pick to kill first, you still don't get through in time. It's always nice when they get rid of glitches that make the game better. That drone stack glitch was awesome. I'm so pissed they got rid of that. |
If you go pool first, you will have lings out in time to kill one pylon and a cannon before it warps in. Going Pool first isn't going to stop a triple Pylon block unless it's a 10 Pool or lower. Patrolling the ramp with a Drone is the only answer. |
Going Pool first isn't going to stop a triple Pylon block unless it's a 10 Pool or lower. If faggtoss brings 2 probes je can kil or force back the drone and in time ub ring athoer drone pylons are warping in |
Going Pool first isn't going to stop a triple Pylon block unless it's a 10 Pool or lower. What's stopping you from pulling more Drones to assist your patrolling Drone as soon as you see more Probes coming? Looks like a micro issue to me. |
i bet 1000$ u dont patrol ur ramp with more then 1 drone if that ( i really doubt it). What kind of micro issue is pulling drones lol. I don't see what is ur knowledge of best response to this block thingy, leave that to big guys from master league. Your posts look like a smartass talkin to me. |
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Edited by Ryusei on 15/07/12 11:56 (BST)
Little tip for you, my overpowered friend: Queens can kill those pylons ezmode You must be really bad. Queens can attack pylons from the high ground, you know? Saw your league. Just shows that some people do not belong in their "omfg high turbo-skill" leagues |
You must be really bad. Queens can attack pylons from the high ground, you know? Queen range doesn't reach pylons placed behind a cannon. You still don't get your expand up. You're so stupidly behind waiting for your queen to kill the pylons and cannons that you don't get your expand till maybe 7 minutes (8 at the latest) while protoss has a safe base at 5-6 minutes. Yeah, I'm really bad. Unlike you, I think past the first step of just killing the cannon rush. I think about what happens after that. I'd have to double expand, already have a macro hatch, and 2 queens, to come out close to reaching even. |
You must be really bad. Queens can attack pylons from the high ground, you know? So, protoss will build 3 pylons to blick your ramp, then one or two cannons behind them AND one or two pylons behind the cannons? that's almost 1k minerals. You must live in some delusional world, if you think that protoss will have an andvatage after that. Again, shows how bad you are and that you do not belong in diamond. |
4 pylons and 1 cannon. That's 550 minerals. That takes a response of 2 queens, 20-40 lings, and a spine, or a roach warren response with 2 queens. That's about 500 minerals plus a mega delay on expansions, or it's about 500-600 minerals spent on getting roaches and still a mega delay on expansions. It's not about the amount of money spent. It's about the fact that you delay the expansion so much while securing your own that you get ahead economically that way. |
You'd be wrong. I patrol my ramp in 100.0% of my ZvPs. If i see a Probe coming in, i follow it with another Drone. It's the price for playing safe. Go ahead and coinflip if you want. |
You'd be wrong. I patrol my ramp in 100.0% of my ZvPs. If i see a Probe coming in, i follow it with another Drone. It's the price for playing safe. How long does that drone usually stay at the ramp? The pylon block can come as soon as 2:30 and my first pair of lings pop at around 3:45 (I do a 14pool). Am I forced to loose 1:15 of mining time to prevent this cheap strategy? |
You'd be wrong. I patrol my ramp in 100.0% of my ZvPs. If i see a Probe coming in, i follow it with another Drone. It's the price for playing safe. It's probably something like that, yes. Remember the Protoss is also wasting mining time by running his Probe around. |
Not comparable at all. He can do a normal scout and return to his base and you still have to keep the drone at the ramp, because he can come back at any moment and start 3 pylons instantly. And if you also scout with a drone, you have 2 drones not mining and he only has 1. There's a big difference because with that single scout probe he can: - scout all the cheeses zerg can do - time your pool/gas perfectly - cannon rush you - harass - delay your expansion by moving around and building pylons - indirectly prevent hatch first openings which is another form of economical damage This seems like a well worth investment for that probe. Meanwhile you need to put a drone blocking your ramp, in a completly passive role, giving you no other benefit at all and costing you around 75 minerals, just because you need to account for ONE single threat. If you think about it, every cheese in the game (2rax bunker rush, 6pool, 2gate proxy, etc) is scoutable with the standard worker into his base. And if he is not cheesing, that worker gets other info about the build, so it's well worth. The THREAT of a single cheap strategy should never force a player to such a cost in the early game. When he sees your drone at the ramp he can do his normal FFE and smile because you just lost 75 minerals without him having to invest anything at all. The simple threat is enough. |
I'm sorry but this is about as silly as Terrans crying about the scan vs MULE. What if you don't patrol the ramp and your skill isn't enough to overcome the fact that you've been pylon blocked in your main and thus you proceed to lose the game, would the one "passive" drone have been worth it in that case y/n? Wouldn't you agree that in this case the patrol is worth it not to mention the closer to mid-end game we come that one little patrolling drone in the beginning starts meaning squat in terms of the minor economical disadvantage. You can't think purely numbers. And in most maps there is no reason whatsoever to drone scout if you that's not your style. I personally drone scout at 10 always but that drone also returns home as soon as it sees whether the Protoss went forge or nexus first. |
