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iCCup: "Dear Blizzard: We need to talk about maps..."
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Edited by Dauntless on 07/10/10 15:39 (BST)
Originally written by iCCupDiamond on the US forums:
Hello! Continued below. (5000 char limit >_>) |
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Edited by Dauntless on 07/10/10 15:39 (BST)
Jungle Basin and Shakuras Plateau are both too new for me to pass judgment although I don't think these will work out well based on certain map features. Source: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/801781456 Couldn't find this thread on the EU forums already, so I took the liberty to create it. The more people who reads this, the better=) |
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Not this junk again, Blizzard desigens their maps for ALL the players of the game not just the tiny % that make up the gosu community.
Blizzard know how to make great maps, they have been doing it for years, this just displays some of the arrogance that some members of the gosu community have and it won't change a thing. Darkheart |
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Did you even read the text, Darkheart?
If you did, you'd know that many the official maps doesn't suffice for the pro's, and even diamond players. There are obvious map imbalances that requires fixing. And to continually refresh the experience and fun factor of the game; SC2 needs new maps! All the time! |
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oh nice, I've already thought about copying that stuff over here...
Not this junk again, Blizzard desigens their maps for ALL the players of the game not just the tiny % that make up the gosu community. There's nothing "gosu" about the maps, they're just more balanced than the Blizzard ones... Just look at the examples, they clearly that the official maps aren't that great afterall. They may look nice, no question, but they have flaws that can place one player in a favoured position just by lucky spawns (and I'm not talking about crossmap/close positions here). |
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Edited by Darkheart on 07/10/10 15:52 (BST)
I have read it, and very similar stuff before, I know the gosu's don't like the maps and they want ones that would better suit them and more importantly that they can control. Well sorry but it's Blizzard's game and they have designed a system that does what they want and for the VAST majority of players (some 4 million) it works very well.
Sorry but that's the way it is, and I'm fine with that because I trust Blizzard a lot more than I trust the gosu community. As for trying to "enlighten" Blizzard, LOL, how condescending. When you have released the biggest PC game for years, enlighten others you may. See, you've got me Yoda'ing now. Darkheart |
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Edited by Rebound on 07/10/10 15:56 (BST)
Good post, true in what he said, hope blizz reads it. Thumbs up for ICCup
@Darkheart, he said the maps are good but for normal play. The ideea is put some pro maps in the game. When u will advance in league, u will see that all the points discuised in that post, can be applied, and WILL be applied to u also, like the "bugs" in Lost Temple. And u will just get angry and say "Race X is OP" when they could have a good map advantage over u. Problem is u shouldn't put normal play together with competitive play. Competitive play is something totally different from anything u saw. U have to take in consideration every pixel on the screen and profit from it. Competitive orientated maps are required for such competitions like ICCup, and also for pro-training but they already have that at custom games. :) |
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Edited by raiz on 07/10/10 16:01 (BST)
I have read it, and very similar stuff before, I know the gosu's don't like the maps and they want ones that would better suit them and more importantly that they can control. Well sorry but it's Blizzard's game and they have designed a system that does what they want and for the VAST majority of players (some 4 million) it works very well. Somebody's pretty close minded there... "gosu community" lol. Just because "the vast majority" doesn't recognize the doesn't mean they are inexistent and don't matter... All the points "that gosu guy" makes are valid and if you don't get that you're just outright ignorant, not to say stupid. edit: Thing is, just as Blizzard said they want the game to be accessible for as many players as possible they talked about something along the lines of "delivering the greatest e-sports RTS in history" and the current maps just don't fit into that. |
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Edited by Rebound on 07/10/10 16:05 (BST)
Put it like this, When u get a patch, like 1.1 or the future 1.2. It's not u, or your wining over forums that u want nearfs and changes to the game, that make thoes patch notes. It's the advice and statistics taken from ICCup, Gosu, etc. members/competitors thatn define the patch u get.
Patches are made listening to ppl who play this game day in and out on a competitive level. So they are right, u are wrong ;) the only thing u can be right about, wil most likely be common view points. So the next time u get a patch, Don't think of it as Blizzards patch, but as ICCup and Gosu's patches. Starcraft 1 became what it became, by letting custom made content in it. IF they didn't allow that, Starcraft 1 would be as good as RedAlert as an E-Sport game |
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Edited by Darkheart on 07/10/10 16:10 (BST)
Lots of personal attacks on me (why not have a bash at my stats or my division?), not one cogent argument to back up why you want ICCUP and not Blizzard to choose which maps we play on.
Blizzard are releasing new maps, as they see fit, for their game. I'm sure they do a lot of testing an take a lot of care over the maps they release. Simply saying "I know better and you are a noob" is not enough. Fortunatly, posting here will change nothing whatsoever. The guy quoted has a huge personal interest in having things the way HE wants them, it's hardly impartial. Also everything you think you know about Starcraft 2, they know more, why, because the wrote the game and they have all the information and you do not. Darkheart |
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Edited by decaf on 07/10/10 16:10 (BST)
If you like it press the LIKE-BUTTON ! edit:(the OP's post ofc)
That being said I would like to say that I totally agree with iCCup. Almost all of the maps favor a race/spawning place. Sure, bronze players don't take note of that small little things and there are very few players in diamond, but it should be taken into consideration that diamond players play more often and actually care about their stats. I also would like to point out that it's not like some gosus want some gosu map for themselves. Everyone would profit from new maps. Imo metalopolis is the best of all 1v1 maps, you did a really good job on that one, but as iCCup already pointed it out, those maps are getting old. One thing I really liked about SC BW is there were plenty of new maps every single week. I'm missing this in SC2, it's boring, always the same maps. Ahh it's map A so I can do X or Y again. Ahh it's map B so I must do Z again *puke*. Also something iCCup didn't mention: The SC2 maps are so unbelievebly small! I really would like to see some bigger maps asap. |
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Absoulutely and completely agreed. iCCup maps are just freaking awesome and I´m enjoying every single second playing on it.
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Lots of personal attacks on me (why not have a bash at my stats or my division?), not one cogent argument to back up why you want ICCUP and not Blizzard to choose which maps we play on. Read the OP, that's where all the arguments are. And we don't want iCCup to choose maps we play on, he just gave them a feedback on their maps and points out some problems with them. He doesn't even say "HERP DERP PUT OUR MAPS IN THERE YOURS ARE RUBBISH". He asks them to "consider rotating some of the community made maps (he doesn't even say iCCup maps) into the higher leagues of play"... And if Blizzard found a way to somehow do that the lower ranked players wouldn't even notice it. They don't want to change the whole game for everybody, they just want to improve the competitive/e-sports Blizzard stressed as an important part of SC2 in pretty much any interview or statement. |








