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@Turo: phoenixes do well against voiids cause they are light(after 1.1.2 only 8 dmg when fully charged) and they can hit n run easily. As for Stalkers, it should be good after patch but dont really know, didnt test it.

@NONE: Nah, Phoenixes just don't do enough damage to be effective againt Armoured. It's surely actually 8 damage vs. Light when uncharged, and before that it was 6! if you do micro your Phoenixes away, then the Voids will just continue to attack your base, still upping its charge whilst killing your Probes.
And the Stalker is Armoured, so the Void Ray does extra damage against them.

@NONE: As BrotherDeath already said, Phoenixes are good against Void Rays only on paper. They can hit 'n' run but the Void Rays continue to charge between the hits, and when defending they can also charge by shooting their own buildings (which isn't as stupid as it first sounds). Now, after the patch VRs don't become invinsible after charge anymore, but they aren't so vulnerable before the charge either. I still think that bumping VR back and making them require Fleet Beacon would be the best solution. They aren't unfair when they're not numerous.

@Turo: Putting them up to a teir 3 unit could well be a perfect solution. It would give the other player that much more time to get some defencive/offencive force up, but remembver, the Fleet Beacon also unlocks the Carrier and Mothership, meaning that a massive teir 3 air force with devastating potential destructive force could be unleashed with a single tech structure. Maybe if the Void Ray just had its own tech structure, much like the Dark Templar?

@BrotherDeath: Interesting idea, but then again templars already have separate tech trees, and making VRs also require a separate tech tree could make Protoss tech tree a little too scattered. But maybe if they made Fleet Beacon / Void Center cheap enough (150/200)... To be honest, I rarely see anyone make both Void Rays and Carriers in the same game. Usually it's either or.

@Turo: True actually... wonder why Kerrigan is so evil after she gets infested....

@Chrysoprases: MMM can be a great counter for 3 to 6 Void Rays, but when you're looking at twenty, as many players go for, then any kind of army is screwed. You can't kil them all before they get up to maximum power, and then you're just screwed. As Zerg, you can't stop the Void Rays geting into your base, Mutalisks cost a great deal more resource-wise to take Void Rays down, and Hydralisks can't get around fast enough. As Protoss, the Phoenix doesn't do enough DPM vs. Armoured when compared to the Void Ray to be at all effective as a counter, even if they can fire while moving, which the Void Ray can do as well, and especially when the Void Ray gets up to full power. In conclusion, the Void Ray has no counter, therefore, it is OverPowered.

@BrotherDeath: critical mass must not be achieved by any opponent. never let somebody build so much costly units and all is fine.
try to scout early, push with ground units early = no voids
ravens seeker missle = dead voids
ghosts emp = weak voids
kite with mass mutas = micro dead for voids

does this translate to you?

@BrotherDeath: but for real, the void ray concept is screwed. they should be more like siege units with greater range and lower damage increase i think. nearly like swarm guardian from sc 1 or the like.

@Chrysoprases: I don't see how an increased range would help me with my personal strategie of mass ground units. All I want is for the damage bonus ability to do what it says it does; build up damage on a single target when firing continually. When the Void Ray switches targets, it should lose the bonus. that would return the Void Ray to what i see it as - a medium, Protoss Warship which is particularly useful against single units with more HP. Not against everything. And if an opponent rushes Void Rays, they can have the first 5 or 6 out while I'm still getting Zealots and Stalkers.

@Chrysoprases: I can prove that it takes more than scouting early to defeat the Void ray. i was playnig a match this morning, got a Probe into the opponent's base, saw he was blocking up and getting gas; natural conclusion - he's going for air, most likely Void rays. I immediatly get to wrok on Stalkers and two Stargates. Manage to get 4 Pheonixes out, with 4 Stalkers to back them up. 4 Void rays come over, start tearing the place up. I attack with the Stalkers while microing thre Phoenixes, GUESS WHAT! All my guys died. There is no suitable counter for the Void Ray, with the exclusion of the Terran Marine. Which I can't get.

@BrotherDeath: mhm, according to unit description the damage of a void should'nt drop if switching a target. but this measures could be a solution. the scenario you described never happened to me, but i would like to see a replay before jumping to conclusions. if you used focus fire and still lost against the 4 voids, then i would agree.

nevertheless, i think the void concept is screwed. its never a protosslike style to mass single weak units, to beat the whole world. there for my opinion is, to nerf damage buildup while increase range. probably making the thing more expensive.

replay please
mfg

@Chrysoprases: How do I post the replay? Yeh, I focused the Voids, and even tried to micro the Phoenixes away before they reached critical mass, but it didn't work. I maintain that if the Voids were just nerfed by losing their damage bonus when switching targets, the game would be a better place to fight, as well as better balanced. This would be an appropriate nerf to the damage bonus as you mentioned above, but a damage decrease would do little to asuage me.

@Chrysoprases: AH! How about THIS??? The Void Ray's damage remains the same, if it instantly switches targets it keeps the damage bonus, it can still attack when moving, but when it has no target to switch to, it loses all damage bonus. Basically, those few seconds it has when moving from one target to another are removed. All you need to do is to get out of range for less than a single second, and they go back to 9 damage per second.

@Chrysoprases: I have to agree with BrotherDeath, Void Rays are overpowered at the moment. The strategy I used and is working great in Gold (won 11/12 matches so far with this) is that I rush for 4 Void Rays while building some moderate defence using no gas. Go directly for their mineral line. If you're lucky, by the time he gets units to fight them back they'll be fully charged, and if not at least partially. At which point, unless he went mass marines, you'll most likely win.
Biggest problem is that Protoss has very little counter units against them - Stalkers can't get there fast enough without blink, and Phoenix are no good against armored units. Usually when I play vs toss I go for their Cybernetics Core, thus disabling them to produce extra Stalkers that would fight back the Void Rays :)

@Chrysoprases: I have to agree with BrotherDeath, Void Rays are overpowered at the moment. The strategy I used and is working great in Gold (won 11/12 matches so far with this) is that I rush for 4 Void Rays while building some moderate defence using no gas. Go directly for their mineral line. If you're lucky, by the time he gets units to fight them back they'll be fully charged, and if not at least partially. At which point, unless he went mass marines, you'll most likely win.
Biggest problem is that Protoss has very little counter units against them - Stalkers can't get there fast enough without blink, and Phoenix are no good against armored units. Usually when I play vs toss I go for their Cybernetics Core, thus disabling them to produce extra Stalkers that would fight back the Void Rays :)

@Skip: Thank you. The Void Ray needs a serious nerf and soon.

@Chrysoprases: Micro mutas dont beat unmicroed voids when they're pushing :3. Void ray = 7. Muta = 3. Void ray can attack while moving only in front.
Its like marine vs baneling + zergling (1 of each). Baneling + zergling = Void ray. Muta = Marine

@BrotherDeath: Yes they do. ZERGS got HELL BIG PROBLEMS with those Void Rays. Its like... Duh... 2v1 : 2 Void rays vs 1 muta, like 5 void rays/player and i have 20 muta. Guess who wins.
-Makes Dramatic Drinking Water Effect-
Exactly! Void rays!

@AnonymousSpy: yea its no prob when u counter them in open but when whey come to ur base charge on building u can say bye to ur counter its annihilated in seconds

@NONE: this would barely be a problem if they just did what the ability says and only charge aginst a single target. When they switch target they should lose this bonus. Problems solved.

@BrotherDeath: agree - it would be a good fix, but then make the Void Rays very unusable and susceptible to kiting.

@Skip: Then maybe just makie it so that kiting is the only way to fight them. Make it so that they lose their damage bonus instantly if they don't immediatly switch targets, rather than just fly around with the front open like a blooming flower.

@AnonymousSpy: Tip : Less than 4 = Crappy. Higher than 6 = Strong. OVER 12 = Too flippin' OP

@NONE: So thats why my Hydras died too fast.

@Masterious: When I was a full bronze newbie, I gone void rays with a friend.
We had together like 12 void rays, and then we won.
Conclussion : OP much?
P.S. : It was a 2v2, a late-game. As I said, I was a noob