Luck of the Draw Buff

Luck of the Draw Buff

In case you aren't already aware, Luck of the Draw is the name of the buff you get for grouping with random people using Dungeon Finder. It currently provides a 5% buff to damage, healing, and health if you have at least one random player in your group. With patch 4.0.6, we are increasing this buff to 5% damage, healing, and health per random player, up to a maximum of 15%.

In the process of working on this change we actually discovered that the Luck of the Draw buff has not been working in Cataclysm at all, save for a few specific dungeons. This means that the difficulty in almost all normal and Heroic dungeons for those using the Dungeon Finder tool was higher than expected. Still, with that issue corrected in 4.0.6, we feel the bump up to 15% for three or more random players found through the Dungeon Finder is a necessary change.

The intent of Luck of the Draw is to help make up for the lack of coordination, communication, and familiarity that pick up groups suffer relative to organized groups of guild members and friends. Cataclysm dungeons, especially on Heroic mode, are quite challenging and ask for more group organization than the Wrath of the Lich King dungeons did. Therefore, Luck of the Draw became relatively weaker in Cataclysm. I’m painting the picture with unfairly large brush strokes here, but in general, Heroic dungeons are of appropriate difficulty for organized groups, but just brutal on Dungeon Finder groups. Players wonder, and rightly so, why Dungeon Finder supports Cataclysm Heroic dungeons at all when the chance of success is so low.

We think buffing Luck of the Draw is a good way to go about correcting the difficulty differences because it makes things slightly easier on PUGs without depriving the organized groups of a fun challenge. We also think the bonus is modest enough that it won’t encourage organized groups to split up and just PUG instead - - the success rate for PUGs relative to organized groups is just that far behind. We still think you’ll have more fun and a greater chance of success running dungeons with friends, but when that isn’t possible, we hope this change will make Dungeon Finder a more pleasant experience. Also remember that patch 4.0.6 is adjusting the difficulty of some bosses that are particularly unforgiving, such as Ozruk in Heroic Stonecore, though to be fair, we are buffing some underperforming encounters as well. In addition, we are offering larger Justice Point rewards for players who just prefer the faster pace and greater success rate of normal dungeons, and by the time 4.1 comes out everyone will have access to more powerful gear, making the older content even easier. But then there'll be new challenges to face!

We’d like to thank everyone who has provided us with feedback. We do listen, even if we don’t immediately deploy every design change suggested by the player community. Our intent is to make the game fun for a wide variety of players, which can be quite a challenge when you have a community this large and this varied. We hope you continue to enjoy the game, and look forward to sharing more changes (and a few surprises) in the months ahead.

-Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft and was attacked by a coati as a child. (True story)

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Mczeka
Darkmoon Faire
Mczeka
07/04/2011
bah this buff really is junk I mean I am not in raiding guild and we still didnt do raids but we are getting gear and getting prepared and we dont complain at all, but this is junk I mean with stuff like this all chalenges are being slowly removed and its made easier for 3 years old to do it (ok maybe 5 years old but still) I mean is it next like 30% buff we had in ICC?
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Foficles
Karazhan
Foficles
12/03/2011
Yeah, my two cents is that my experience with heroics, even pre 4.0.6 has be awesome. I had to read tactics, try bosses several times, and take part of the tactic even as ranged dps. That's what actually was the best part. Having to do more than just use a rotation. Blizzard please keep up the good work you've done with cataclysm and don't break it for whiners who want to play only with the mouse, without keybindings, while they eat and/or talk on the phone and not read any piece of text. I wish there was a way to discover tactics in game without having to read them on a website but... by all means, don't make the game easier. Just, try to find a way to motivate players to take on more hard challenges. For now, the heroic achievements are just for the sake of collecting. Very few players are interested in them. I like collecting achievements but I can't expect that of everyone and I'm left searching and spamming people to find someone to do achievements with. Well, that's all. Wow, this was actually a lot more than 2 cents. Hope someone reads it :)
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Rozalla
Anachronos
Rozalla
09/03/2011
so much fun reading these posts :-)

all these ppl talking about "ive been here since vanilla" blah blah

and they still havent learned what blizz always does

"if its broken ,dont fix it and if it aint broken just break it"

they are aiming for a 3+ rating so a 5 year old can play this game.
this char aint in a hardcore raiding guild so i will not get acces to full epic soon , but this buff is just bull#*%%.
can blast through hc alrdy with or without my guild.

and eventhough i dont have acces to all those raid epics.
im just happy they dont go wotlk style all the way (yet),where all the numbskulls could get full epic just by grinding hcs.

and sure i care allot about my char and had to work hard in the beginning of wotlk to get full icc25 gear and was proud of it.

then came the nerfs and the free epics for the dummies and all our hard earned epics where not so epic anymore.

cata is going the same way so i dont even bother anymore to go hardcore raiding.
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Sleort
Aggramar
Sleort
08/03/2011
PLZZ, don't make the ''Luck of the Draw'' buff better. It makes the game boring. The harder dungeons(in this case dungeons with 346 item level) should be able to join as random, but they should be so hard, that you would prefer to join with people you know.

BLIZZARD, you should make some ''epic'' dungeons, for people who wan't a bit more than the ''normal'' heroics, and not wan't to lay raids. It sounds a little crazy, but there are players who don't have time to raid, and still wan't some seriousness.

I'm one of the players who played it since the first release, and when it came out it was HARDCORE. It isn't anymore, and it's okay that it's more easy for the casual players. But plz, they should make some harder dungeons which almost require the best available dungeon gear, before you can kill the raid bosses. :)

And still, it's an AWESOME game
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
09/03/2011
@Sleort: I really dont think that you understand that you can play without the buff with a guild, have your cake and eat it ^_^
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Sleort
Aggramar
Sleort
09/03/2011
@Longstaff: Yes I know, but why should I go in with guild, when I can do it alot more easy in random? I'm just saying that the game needs a bit more difficulty. Even if you do it with the guild it's so easy!

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Bonsay
Terenas
Bonsay
09/03/2011
@Longstaff: Dude obviously you don't have a clue about how each new content evolves in time, it gets easier with every new patch in case you didn't notice by now. Heroics are the dungeons you play the most in the whole game even as a raider you will do them for various reason. That's why they need to stay a challenging lvl . So this change only screws over a lot of ppl. I doubt it you played TBC at its time and tried a heroic Blood Furnace with blue gear or some Kara gear. The game is oriented now for profit not for fun, as soon as someone complains he can't do that or that Blizzard jumps in and changes things.
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
09/03/2011
@Bonsay: lol i don't have an idea about how the game works? I have been here since vanilla kid ^_^ and enjoyed TbC Hc's and have only found the game more enjoyable with every expansion. I don't think you really the understand the fundamental ideas of a game like this one and the fact that times change and it is a an ongoing living breathing universe that changes with time, as a play who has been here from the start i can say that sure the company has grown but it has definitely kept its player centered model of game creation and that this buff is just more proof of this because they want players to have whatever gaming experience they want. You clearly don't have a clue about pleasing anyone else other than yourself and thats fine but blizz isn't in the buissnes of just making money, you only need to look at the amount of charity work they do and money they give away...you make me sad but if it is how you feel stop paying your subscription =P
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Bonsay
Terenas
Bonsay
09/03/2011
@Longstaff: well 'kid' i see you like to comment every post that's not on your liking (for someone who supports 'whatever gaming experience players want'). Back to the subject : I'm glad you pointed out you enjoyed vanilla, TbC and this expansion , meaning WoTLK was not something worth taking in discussion. That's good, because most players don't what WoTLk easy content and boredom to return and this is a change that's doing exactly this. As for charity part yeah .. i loled a bit , dig more and see what that means for a company.
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
09/03/2011
@Bonsay: I don't really think you understand how the world works buts thats ok ^_^ I loved WoTlK it was amazing. I have commented a lot i know but i'm pretty passionate about this subject i don't tend to talk on forums tbh because i tend to take things to heart and get drawn into arguments way to easily. But i really feel that people who have something against this buff are just trying to exclude other players and i don't think thats cool or the way a game should work.
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Hamilcar
Crushridge
Hamilcar
08/03/2011
i think this is a well designed change, and look forward to it. and besides, a little trust for this guys, after the 6 years of wow that has passed, i think they know what they are doing :)
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
08/03/2011
@Hamilcar: You are a legend cant agree more ^_^
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Topsykretts
Shadowsong
Topsykretts
08/03/2011
Why are you making this WOTLK heroic modes again? You tune the heroics to a fine level where it's not impossible and yet not faceroll /sleep mode...

You never did this in any TBC heroic! Alas judging by polls 40% voted TBC was the best expansion with Cata not to far behind... This will lower the statistics and just make heroics a puggable joke.
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Wolflock
Shadowsong
Wolflock
08/03/2011
Wait.....are heroics not supposed to be ''hard''? people should get their gear by crafting and normal dungeons and AFTER that you can do heroics. Its great if heroics show some challenge, i like the old days where you needed ''cc'' so you would not wipe, with this buff it will be like ''rofl heroic win'' again. It becomes to easy. P.S. You make the gap between raiding and heroics even higher. people will think only superman will be able to do Raids
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Atrious
Kor'gall
Atrious
08/03/2011
Why is it always the same on every game? Changes are made --> whining. No changes are made --> whining. Think its human nature?
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Imperoras
Drak'thul
Imperoras
08/03/2011
nerf, nerfs, nerfs and nerfs again .... now we can do all heroics as fast run in wotlk WITH !!!PUG!!! and with 15% boost what it will be? What is object of those nerfs? Soloing heroics?
I am so disappointed. :-(
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
08/03/2011
@Imperoras: how about this for an idea do it with a guild and stop moaning lol ^_^ In the patch they really didnt change to much about Hc's just fixed a lot of things that were not working properly the only thing you have an issue with is the buff so run it with friends or a guild this buff is meant for people who only use pugs! im disappointed in all the players who are complaining when all the have to do is run it with a guild
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Topsykretts
Shadowsong
Topsykretts
08/03/2011
@Longstaff: Why would we do that when it's easier with a buff? It's like saying we can do LK without the buff because we are in a guild. No people don't do that apart from a small batch.
This game is all about the weaker player base now, it has been for some time.

Stop trolling peoples opinions, heroic modes were once fun again! But sadly they'll be back to boring "grinds" of some what.

I've never had so much fun in heroics since MGT. But that's not certainly going away.

People have a right to express themselves and don't want you to be contradicting everything they say.
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Carlsberg
Bronzebeard
Carlsberg
08/03/2011
I dont like the fact that T11 will cost Jp's . What have i been working for all this time?
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Tamaneas
Chamber of Aspects
Tamaneas
07/03/2011
Been in this amazing Blizzard created world since the start and the thing that keeps me going is the challenge of the game and the achievement of working hard and getting that bugger boss down you craved for for so long. Though i hate it to be Mario-Bros Easy cause if i didnt like a challenge i wouldnt be here.
Cata was said to be the real deal again and indeed WotLK didnt deserve another patch as it was made..wel...easier then stealing candy from a kid.
Im the average dude with alot to do and sometimes an few hour gap to do some warcrafting but it does not mean i want to get my epics in the mail, Single button EAT the DPS list.
That said i hope that CATA will last with challenges, else i think its time for planning an early WoW retirement party.
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
07/03/2011
@Tamaneas: Im sure that you have more than just a few hours of warcrafting here and there if you want to be able to sample some of the raid content, and i feel that with cata there is a very clear line of difficulty between Hc's and raids and the raids are hard especially if you compare them to ony and other WoTlK stuff (and i do feel your comments about that expantion were un just it was sooo cool) If you want the harder experience with Hc's run it with a guild and if you want the even harder experience do some raids lol god speed.
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Mikinecka
Aggramar
Mikinecka
06/03/2011
Welcome to Wrath 2.0... Lets make epicks easy to get, lets get every noob get their 359 iLvL gear, so they can ruin our pug raids... I loved cata for sole reason -> it (healing) was CHALLENGE...
Time to get back into New Eden (EvE)...
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
06/03/2011
@Mikinecka: Players like you i don't feel will be missed i think that aggressive and negative people like yourself are what ruins pug raids ^_^ enjoy eve
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Imperoras
Drak'thul
Imperoras
08/03/2011
@Mikinecka: i agree :-(
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Imperoras
Drak'thul
Imperoras
08/03/2011
@Longstaff: why? where is aggression? He (and me) is just disappointed. Challenge is gone so give me a reason why play the game without challenge???
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Vomr
Laughing Skull
Vomr
06/03/2011
ملاين من قصص الحب
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Vomr
Laughing Skull
Vomr
06/03/2011
غيرو عاده كل حب
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Deathrunix
Dunemaul
Deathrunix
05/03/2011
it would be nice if blizz made u a choice to have the buff or not
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Ðruîd
Bronzebeard
Ðruîd
05/03/2011
i think its more easy for guys there need better gear and i love it
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Pêrry
Outland
Pêrry
04/03/2011
This is going to make dungeon too easy if u ask me, they will hardly be challenging anymore :/ Something that is nice for getting the quick daily 70 valors, but is going to take some of the fun out of the completing of the dungeon.
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
05/03/2011
@Pêrry: Not with a guild, if you want the harder kinda experience then do it that way. Let blizz try to please everybody instead of a few people ^_^
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Topsykretts
Shadowsong
Topsykretts
08/03/2011
@Longstaff: Not to mention they already nerfed most boss fights in heroic modes aswell. /sigh

Hello Wrath of the Cataclysm.
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Karlstad
Azjol-Nerub
Karlstad
04/03/2011
Well great for ppl that lacks time, and we that dont. stop !@!##whin about it. if you dont want the buff. Just find your group old fashion style and enjoy the true meaning of heroic!
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Domyth
Chamber of Aspects
Domyth
04/03/2011
So, now not only am I going to get free epics from doing the same thing over and over and over, its going to be stupidly easy? Thanks Blizz youve made epics feel epics and heroics feel heroic!
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Longstaff
Blade's Edge
Longstaff
04/03/2011
@Domyth: Run it with a guild and stop being a little baby =P
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Slyblackfist
Aggramar
Slyblackfist
04/03/2011
Well I like the idea. I get annoyed when at one point you just met them and the next you died by their hands.
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Tree
Trollbane
Tree
04/03/2011
I hate this buff! It should be exactly the same difficulty for everybody. And the only times heroic is hard is by mistakes and if nobody does mistakes it's uber boring as healer^^
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Absolutre
Dentarg
Absolutre
04/03/2011
kewl!!
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Rockford
Runetotem
Rockford
03/03/2011
What we need are ranked servers: from casual to elite with some in between. Character transfer should be restricted to same and lower ranked servers only or at a proper demerit for transfer to higher ranked servers.

This the buff could be used to adjust the difficulty, throughout the server i.e. permanently applied. It would, but what do I know, make the programming cost minimal. The admin. cost of the change maybe not so.

This would also separate players of differing expectations, for abilities and commitment, and reduce a lot of the conflict that occurs in-game nowadays.
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Imperoras
Drak'thul
Imperoras
08/03/2011
@Rockford: nice idea!