4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms

4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms

In patch 4.1 we’ll be introducing a new system to the Dungeon Finder intended to lower queue times, named Call to Arms. This system will automatically detect which class role is currently the least represented in the queue, and offer them additional rewards for entering the Dungeon Finder queue and completing a random level 85 heroic dungeon.

Any time the Dungeon Finder queue is longer than a few minutes for level 85 heroics the Call to Arms system kicks in and determines which role is the least represented. In the case of tanking being the least represented role, the “Call to Arms: Tanks” icon will display where class roles are chosen in the Dungeon Finder UI, and will also display on the UI when the queue pops and you are selected to enter a dungeon. Regardless of your role, you’ll always be able to see which role currently has a Call to Arms, if any.

Call to Arms is intended to lower queue times by offering additional rewards for the currently least represented role. To be eligible for the additional rewards you must be selected for the role that is currently in a Call to Arms, queue by yourself (solo queue) for a random level 85 heroic, and complete the dungeon by killing the final boss. Every time you hit these requirements (there is no daily limit) you’ll receive a goodie bag that will contain some gold, a chance at a rare gem, a chance at a flask/potions, a good chance of receiving a non-combat pet (including cross faction pets), and a very rare chance at receiving a mount. The pets offered come from a wide variety of sources, and include ones like the Razzashi Hatchling, Cockatiel, and Tiny Sporebat, but the mounts are those specifically only available through dungeons (not raids), like the Reins of the Raven Lord from Sethekk Halls, Swift White Hawkstrider from Magister’s Terrace, and Deathcharger’s Reins from Stratholme.

The inclusion of this system is to address the unacceptable queue times currently being experienced by those that queue for the DPS role at max level. The long queue times are, of course, caused by a very simple lack of representation in the Dungeon Finder by tanks, and to some extent healers. We don’t feel the tanking and healing roles have any inherent issues that are causing the representation disparity, but simply that fulfilling them is more responsibility. Understandably players prefer to take on that responsibility in more organized situations than what the Dungeon Finder offers, but maybe we can bribe them a little. While this system gives tanks and healers something extra, the incentive is there so that we can help those in the DPS role get into more dungeons, get better gear, and continue progressing.

While the gold, gems, flasks, and potions are OK incentives, we knew we needed something more substantial. We had briefly considered Valor Points and epics, but decided that wouldn’t be very fair to the intent of helping DPS players progress, and ultimately wouldn’t keep tanks and healers in the Dungeon Finder system for very long. We settled on pets and dungeon-found mounts as they’re cosmetic/achievement items that players go off mostly go off alone to try to get, so why not change that up and offer them a chance to get some of those elusive pets and mounts in a way that also helps other players? Even if they don't get a pet or mount, or get one they already have, the gold and other goodies still feel rewarding enough that it won't feel like a waste of effort.

We think it’s a pretty solid incentive to get tanks and healers queuing, give max level players another way at the pets and mounts they so desire, and bottom line get queue times down for all those DPS’ers out there. In the case of lower level dungeons, it's actually not uncommon for DPS to be the least represented role, and so if this new system works out and we're pleased with the results, we may consider applying this same mechanic to lower level dungeons as well.

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Meely
Azuremyst
Meely
07/08/2011
Tbh... At the 1st sight i thought it's unfair..but i've changed my mind..
My main is this hunter, yes, it's a dps.
The tanks and the healers should be rewarded for their hard work,it's very hard to tank/heal a HC . And the DPSers are rewarded too, before this update i waited 30-50 mins for an HC (and sometimes people were leaving after 1st boss) , it's true that, after the update you wait 30 mins (but not always :P) , and if you have an alt that it's a tank or a healer you can do a hc and send the bag to ur main ( cuz it's bound to battle.net account , but you shouldn't open it if you want to send it) ; it rly works, and it's rly fun to play the other roles sometimes :P
--- btw this is my own opinion..don't be rude and insult (like the most new (young) players do ... --
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Drocck
Shadowsong
Drocck
01/08/2011
what about HCs without a tank? have a few instances where just DPS and heals come in with CCing and no tank requirement. This might balance it out a bit.

- forgive me if the post is doubled
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Drocck
Shadowsong
Drocck
01/08/2011
I would really ilke to see a few HCs that don't require a tank just heavy aoe damage with tactics.. A bit like Lord Ry (without the adds) maybe a two even a two healer instance..... and with a few "parts" of the HC where the class and role have to prove themselves in a solitary battle. This would handle a lot of the tanking issues. Healers seem to far more populated.
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Thundeer
Frostwhisper
Thundeer
06/07/2011
wow was much better before wrath of the lichking where is all he lvl 19 twinks?
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Holygaby
Khadgar
Holygaby
26/06/2011
The average time zanda hc is around 25-35 min's
Ramdom HC is arroun 17-20
We have to be tanks without to need to wait??-.-
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Harold
Dunemaul
Harold
22/05/2011
The average wait time for a zanda heroic, is still around 25-30 minutes :S
This hasn't helped much :/
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Døvahkiin
Vek'nilash
Døvahkiin
06/05/2011
even dps can be the least represented role now because more ppl are going to join as healer or tank so the ppl whining about this are just stupid :)
this is AWESOME!
(check out Renascence(guild) @ Vek'Nilash)
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Gfgftfj
Forscherliga
Gfgftfj
04/05/2011
LUU
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Shiikari
Sylvanas
Shiikari
04/05/2011
This is great.
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Victoryan
Saurfang
Victoryan
02/05/2011
This is a great thing, I hope more people will see that it can be rewarding to be the responsible one in a pug. Rogues, hunters, mages, warlocks.. have just as big chance to get those mounts its not like tanks and healers get new mounts that only they are able to loot.
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Bombaclad
Defias Brotherhood
Bombaclad
02/05/2011
Retarded update..
Most classes can heal or tank, All classes can DPS, This solve an issue for most of the people, since they can respec (Offspec) to heal/tank, But what about classes that don't have a tanking/healing spec?
Thinking about Mage / Warlock / Hunter/ Rogue ?
It's 100% possible as pala/warrior/dk/shammy/druid/priest to respec and get the benefits..
Think i can speak for any1 when I say: You are annoying all the hunters / rogues / mages and warlocks!
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Blipz
Grim Batol
Blipz
02/05/2011
@Bombaclad: I totally agree with you mate. All non tank/heal classes will probably never see that bag, and iknow for sure that lots of us want it. The chance of getting mounts like Raven lord each time you complete a heroic is pretty nice and sad to see Blizzard give this to only certain classes. Hope this will be fixed for maxlvl atleast.
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Nattälva
Hellscream
Nattälva
02/05/2011
@Bombaclad: So trying to shorten your instance ques is to annoy you? Are you happy spending 30-40 minutes just sitting around on a mount or doing archaeology while waiting for a dungeon to pop? (Sure, you're raid geared so probably you dont need to do hcs but people like leveling alts too.) Speaking for myself, I respeced to tank a few months ago just to lower the que times - it was well worth it. So far the system also seems to do essentially what it was intended to - I have had several < 5 min ques on some of my pure dps class toons where before they never had to wait less than 20. It of course remains to be seen if the effect remains or not, but for now I would say it's a good change.
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Meely
Azuremyst
Meely
07/08/2011
@Bombaclad: I Agree! it's unfair a bit :<
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Krätös
Grim Batol
Krätös
02/05/2011
Only one thing to say ... Either make it possible to all roles have it (because we all know that DPS will never be an option in call to arms since every single class in this game can DPS and not everybody have the right gear to heal / tank HC´s) or simply remove this feature from the game... easy as that
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Sonofarthas
Turalyon
Sonofarthas
24/06/2011
@Krätös: dont u think the reward is to make lazy tanks go que a dungeon ? so that waiting dps es can play some instances ??? im a tank and i que only if theres a call to arms ... and it drops mounts so rarely ..
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Milkfake
Grim Batol
Milkfake
01/05/2011
The reward should still be if you queue with a premade party of 2
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Kandin
Argent Dawn
Kandin
01/05/2011
Thanks Blizzard, now any random person who isn't particularly interested in mounts can just grind for all the rare mounts in any dungeon I took months to get.
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Koxorto
Chamber of Aspects
Koxorto
01/05/2011
Why wont the dps's get any call to arms. Plus i cant log in to my server or any other server why the heck not?
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Draculja
Stormreaver
Draculja
30/04/2011
Well... some days after patch day. I logged in just 5 mins ago. Checked the LFG, both healer and tank are being called for. Me, a poor dps... still waits 22 mins. What has changed? Havent seen the queue for dps drop below 16 mins. So... enrich the tanks and healers even more, while the system fails to shorten the queue's for dps, which was the purpose.
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Imbatank
Talnivarr
Imbatank
30/04/2011
It would be dull to get the same mount twice, please fix it so you cant get it twice. I don't think that any1 wont appreciate it :)
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Deadlymagi
Nordrassil
Deadlymagi
30/04/2011
not much of a difference for dps
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Drabor
Outland
Drabor
30/04/2011
this seems great but its always gonna be healer and tanks never dps since were overflowing in dungeons and sometimes you only have one 85 and you wanna play that class as dps like me im getting prot as os because i like tanking but some dont just saying this has its flaws
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Imbatank
Talnivarr
Imbatank
30/04/2011
@Drabor: Ever heard of . and , ?
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Deadnwise
Bloodhoof
Deadnwise
01/05/2011
@Imbatank: loool drop dead
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Pinochio
Grim Batol
Pinochio
02/05/2011
@Imbatank: lolol
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Phoenixs
Area 52
Phoenixs
30/04/2011
souns good
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Chiny
Shattered Hand
Chiny
30/04/2011
i think it's gonna be fun to try it today :P:P
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Burhack
Spinebreaker
Burhack
30/04/2011
wow it is like the other ones but harder!!!
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Leopolddk
Ghostlands
Leopolddk
30/04/2011
it's gonna be awesome :))
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I like this new dungeon system werry much, it has been designed werry well and it's good that not only tanks and healers get the goodie-pouches, allso DPS does, only is left to see if this realy works, and if this will be added to low lvl allso.
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Bombaclad
Defias Brotherhood
Bombaclad
02/05/2011
@Rodas: LOL? Not only tanks and healers get the goodie-pouches?
Have you not been reading porperly?
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Zuldac
Bladefist
Zuldac
30/04/2011
Thies damm trolls they never learn to stay awey but the Darckspeer tribe got a brain ;)
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Charenne
Chromaggus
Charenne
30/04/2011
I got deathcharger today :D shame it wasn't Raven Lord tho :<
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Donham
Lightbringer
Donham
29/04/2011
Sounds Good :D
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Zaalabar
Hellscream
Zaalabar
29/04/2011
i think this is a great way to lower the dungeon queue time and im very happy with blizzard for acknowledging it. so thanks blizz
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Taylormáde
Darksorrow
Taylormáde
29/04/2011
nice
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Daravon
Outland
Daravon
29/04/2011
i dont see it as unfair, what i think is unfair that tanks quit halfway only to farm 1 item from some boss and then leave if it didnt drop or did drop, or healer that suddenly go off for no reason at all and we as dps'er have to wait for ages... for me no worries since my off-spec is a tank, but still... there is no problems to it
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Hvorerdukarv
Frostwhisper
Hvorerdukarv
29/04/2011
@Daravon: Maybe your just unlucky.
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Silvertop
Thunderhorn
Silvertop
29/04/2011
@ Overdark: 'If I see a Tank or a Healer with a Swift White Hawkstrider from now on, I'm just going to say that they didn't earn it, because in most likelihood, they didn't. They got it from this ridiculous system.' Did you actually read the op? Did you, & most of the other whingers, miss 'and a very rare chance at receiving a mount.' (note 'Very rare'). & yes, even if they did get it from their goodie bag, they did kinda earn it - by being a tank / healer. I'm dps - wouldn't tank or heal cos I hate the responsibliity & all the hassle/blame when things go a bit pear shaped, so if someone wants to have that responsibility while I just stand there & kill things & get my JPs / achieves / loot, good for them - I'll even say 'GZ' when the 'very rare' mount drops from their bag...