Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3

Raid Finder Coming in Patch 4.3

We are working hard to introduce an exciting new feature to World of Warcraft in patch 4.3: the Raid Finder system. While it presents unprecedented technical hurdles and may change before it’s released, we wanted to provide a glimpse of what we hope to accomplish, and share some details that we’ve worked out, which will give some insight about how the new feature is planned to work.

So what is the Raid Finder? It will be a brand new grouping feature that superficially works much like the Dungeon Finder. Instead of five player dungeons, though, the Raid Finder is designed to help players quickly and easily form a pick-up raid for a specially tuned version of the current tier of raid content: the Dragon Soul raid. It’s not intended to replace organized raiding though. You’ll still need friends and guild members to help you conquer the toughest raiding challenges that patch 4.3 has to offer.

As we currently plan to roll out the Raid Finder feature in patch 4.3, level-85 players will be able to use it to access a 25-player version of the Dragon Soul raid dungeon, which will include glorious battle with Deathwing himself. Dragon Soul will be split into three different difficulties. The Raid Finder provides access to a new tier of difficulty, that has been split into two wings, each of which contain four boss encounters. Meanwhile, raiders will still need to join with friends and guildmates to face the more challenging normal and heroic versions of the raid, since the Raid Finder cannot be used to access those higher difficulty levels. Naturally, because they’re harder to defeat, the normal and heroic version of Dragon Soul will drop more powerful loot along with prestigious rewards such as achievements, titles, and epic mounts. Rich rewards still await those who face the Raid Finder version, which we hope will introduce the thrills and epic experience of raiding to a broader audience than ever before.

You can access the Raid Finder through the ‘Raid’ button in the menu at the bottom of the default user interface. The Raid Finder should feel familiar to Dungeon Finder users. Just fire it up, select your class role, click the ‘Find Raid’ button, and get ready to face Deathwing’s jaw of doom.

FAQ

Q. Raids aren’t dungeons. Who will keep things organized?
A. A Raid Finder raid will require someone to queue as leader. The Raid Finder leader will have a very limited set of powers and cannot change loot type, nor do they have the ability to arbitrarily kick people from the raid. They do have the ability to mark targets and use /raid warning, and can promote other players to be leads as well. To be most successful, each Raid Finder group should have at least one leader who will explain the fights, assign raid markers, and make the tough calls, like who the main tank and off-tanks are.

Q. How will loot be distributed?
A. Automatic rolls and the Need Before Greed loot rules will apply in Raid Finder raids, just as they do in Dungeon Finder instances. Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week.

Q. How will Raid Finder loot differ?
A. Loot acquired through the Raid Finder, including tier set pieces, will be of a lower item level than items acquired from normal or heroic mode versions of the Dragon Soul raid, and its appearance may differ. Also, there are certain items, as well as components for legendary weapons, which will not drop in Raid Finder raids. While individual bosses will not yield Valor Points as they would in other versions of the raid, you can still earn 250 Valor Points for beating the final boss in each wing of the instance.

Tier armor which drops in Raid Finder raids still provides set bonuses, and those bonuses are compatible with the higher item level versions of the armor available in the normal and heroic mode versions of the raid. None of these tier sets will be available via Valor Points from a vendor.

Q. Will there be an item level requirement to use the Raid Finder?
A. Yes, accessing raids via the Raid Finder will require that participating characters be level 85 and have attained a certain item level, to help ensure that they are prepared for the content they’ll be facing.

Q. Will the Raid Finder be cross-realm?
A. Yes, the Raid Finder will draw players from all realms. As with the Dungeon Finder, it will place some priority on grouping players from the same realm, though not at the cost of increased queue times.

Q. What kind of raid composition will the Raid Finder create?
A. Each Raid Finder raid will include two tanks, six healers, and seventeen damage dealers. As the raid is assembled, the Raid Finder will attempt to balance the group according to armor type, which should help ensure a healthy mix of melee and ranged dps.

Q. Why 25-player only?
A. A 25-player group is actually easier and faster to fill than a smaller group would be, and allows for greater flexibility in raid creation, all of which will help contribute to lower queue times. Also, 25-player raids are less subject to issues with composition or player connectivity.

The Raid Finder version of the Dragon Soul raid will be designed with pick up raiding in mind. normal and heroic difficulties will require the greater organization and teamwork found in guild raid groups.

Q. Will I get Call to Arms benefits when using the Raid Finder?
A. We don’t currently plan to apply Call to Arms benefits to the Raid Finder, though that may change in the future.

Q. Will I be locked to a raid I join through the Raid Finder?
A. Since the Raid Finder only offers access exclusively to a specially tuned version of the Dragon Soul raid instance, instance locks will not be enforced for that version. Instance locks will still be enforced for the normal and heroic versions of the raid.

Q. Can I queue with my friends in a party or raid?
A. Yes, you can queue for the Raid Finder individually, in a party, or in a raid. The Raid Finder can be a great tool to help fill those last few slots in a raid.

Q. I’m a dedicated raider with an organized group, what good is the Raid Finder to me?
A. Since instance locks aren’t in play, Raid Finder raids could provide a way for dedicated raiders to gear up alternate characters, fill gaps in their itemization, finish off elusive set bonuses, or just have some fun while preparing to face the normal or heroic version of the raid on the next reset.

Q. Why aren’t other raids available?
A. The Raid Finder is intended to help players experience the current tier of content. Also, many older raids don’t require a full complement of raiders, making the Raid Finder unnecessary. This is also the first rollout of the feature and we decided to start things simple, rather than potentially delay the feature’s introduction.

If the Raid Finder proves popular, more raid instances may be added to it in the future.

Q. Will Vote Kick still work in the Raid Finder?
A. Yes, though many of the same requirements and restrictions will be in place. For example, kicking too many times can result in a Vote Kick cooldown. Also, the thresholds are different, and several players will need to agree on kicking a candidate before the vote begins. Successful kick votes will require a significant number of Yes votes to pass.

Q. What happens if I leave a Raid Finder raid before it’s over?
A. Players who leave the Raid prematurely will receive a Deserter Debuff, though it will likely be of longer duration than the one applied to users of the Dungeon Finder. This debuff will only apply to the Raid Finder system.

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Nøxeus
Bronze Dragonflight
Nøxeus
16/01/2012
strongly agree... Would be much better if all other raids where included. i myself am still new to wow and would find it realy sweet if i could experiance the older raids when getting higher lv.
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Blacksbayne
Moonglade
Blacksbayne
06/01/2012
It is good but, it is bad as well because what about all the other raids. it would be good to have all the old raids to play on raid finder so you can have your transmog gear. and for the early cata raids keep it the same and on 10man.
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Leafwind
Frostmane
Leafwind
04/01/2012
Only One Times a Week. And you trie to get your armor and if you Will have your armor is it 1/25 that you get one gear and how Long soulde it take if you kan do one raid every day
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The LFR is just a bunch of angry intolrent people screaming at eachother because noone botherd to lear tacs just like its been in the LFG dungeons.. As i see it it didn't do anything good to raiding, unless ur guild can get 24 - 25 people and use it to learn tacs and experiance the fights.
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Alexandrina
Auchindoun
Alexandrina
10/12/2011
Fantastic toll to actualy help players learn the each boss tactic.
Thats what everyone needs if they dont have time to raid and stuff.
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Infernalfame
Bloodfeather
Infernalfame
08/12/2011
hoping for alot more raids in the raid finder. (like especially older raids, vanilla, bc, wotlk and early cata raids)
I love the raid finder, its very usefull and spares alot of time and gives the same fun. No matter what ppl say, its not a failure, Ty for this great patch blizz :)
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Bètrayer
Sylvanas
Bètrayer
06/12/2011
when fall of deathwing will become available on Raid Finder ?
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Ishnua
The Sha'tar
Ishnua
07/12/2011
@Bètrayer: Today, they said.
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Omanyte
Jaedenar
Omanyte
05/12/2011
Hey, I know that the first 4 bosses in the Dragon soul require 372 ilvl, but what does the other 2 require? :)
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Sylvar
Silvermoon
Sylvar
01/12/2011
Nice , will try it out on my main :P
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Gueen
Scarshield Legion
Gueen
01/12/2011
Only issue is the fact even if you dont win loot ur locked which to me makes no sense since you cant do it every day
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Talduin
Scarshield Legion
Talduin
01/12/2011
@Gueen: Well youl get lucky oneday and get that special lewt
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Frèyr
Ghostlands
Frèyr
30/11/2011
So, we killed those four bosses today, when i am able to roll on loots again? Next Wednesday?
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Infernalfame
Bloodfeather
Infernalfame
08/12/2011
@Frèyr: correct
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Chaydar
Burning Legion
Chaydar
30/11/2011
Hi there i quened in raid finder today 2 times i think and killed every boss (4 ) ill have raid with my guild tomorrow. Will i be able to loot at the normal version i looked at FAQ the saves are not looking to be problem but what about the loot, any idea? Preferebly someone with experience plz
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Pureskíllz
Kul Tiras
Pureskíllz
01/12/2011
@Chaydar: raiding with your guild the normal way gives you better loot and is completley different itm lvl to the raid finder loot. so the answer to your question is yes you can roll on loot with your guild in a normal raid and then roll on loot within a raid finder raid! :) Hope this helps!
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Adicolor
Stormscale
Adicolor
30/11/2011
Raid Finder appears when you click CTRL + I :)
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Pendou
Drak'thul
Pendou
30/11/2011
That's good but people mostly dont know what to do .. that is really bad on it :) .. dbm easir download ever .. ! ;)
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Phynix
Ragnaros
Phynix
30/11/2011
where in the world is the raid finder?i couldnt find it!
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Darthace
Stormscale
Darthace
30/11/2011
This is just great. I really miss something like this. Becouse im not really a raider. But i wanna learn those raids. And its real hard to find groups for raids becouse then i need the achevment. before i can even be selectet for it. And its real hard to get by if people wont give a chance. sorry for my bad english. gotta agree with CoolFace
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Tankforlifee
Shattered Hand
Tankforlifee
30/11/2011
where is the raid finder
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Agamemnòn
Vek'nilash
Agamemnòn
30/11/2011
I agree with Freekinpala although I know I good forit, usualy I get people who cant polly. healers who cant heal or oom.
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Oóju
Ravencrest
Oóju
30/11/2011
It could might be good. If u find a grp and then go in raid finder, then u can be teleported to Fl for example.. That could be cool!! :D
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Freakinpala
Lightning's Blade
Freakinpala
29/11/2011
This will help alot for ppl who cant play till midnight or somthing like that. I'm only wondering what peeps you going to get in grps like this. lets wish we get the best!
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Healeen
Bronze Dragonflight
Healeen
29/11/2011
it will help everyone to do raids
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Healeen
Bronze Dragonflight
Healeen
29/11/2011
that really good idea from blizzarad to made raid finder :)
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Execute
Shattered Halls
Execute
29/11/2011
is it only dragonsoul in raidfinder?!
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Alliknight
Thunderhorn
Alliknight
29/11/2011
this a fantastic idea! The talent calculator is terrible but this is AWESOME
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Nørke
Shadowsong
Nørke
29/11/2011
this will be realy god for everyone
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Einet
Grim Batol
Einet
29/11/2011
i think it Will be helpfull for wordblinds=)
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Bullshíft
Emeriss
Bullshíft
29/11/2011
"Q. How will loot be distributed?
A. Automatic rolls and the Need Before Greed loot rules will apply in Raid Finder raids, just as they do in Dungeon Finder instances. Also, while Dungeon Finder raids aren’t locked, you are only eligible for loot from a boss once per week. This means that if you were present for the defeat of a boss, whether you receive loot or not, then you will automatically pass on loot that drops during later attempts on that boss during the same week." ?? doesnt look good
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Vitaraptor
Quel'Thalas
Vitaraptor
29/11/2011
@Bullshíft: Ye agreed, that really gonna suck.
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Frèyr
Ghostlands
Frèyr
30/11/2011
@Vitaraptor: Oh man indeed, why on earth you can`t loot em more than once a week. I was really looking forward to this but this really gets me down.... -->Skyrim.
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Sylvar
Silvermoon
Sylvar
01/12/2011
@Bullshíft: Look at the bright side , you can loot that item again when u r raiding with PuGs or ur Guild
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Coolface
Draenor
Coolface
29/11/2011
For those who are worried about people not knowing tactics and not having the achi, how do you think you all started off in Dungeons and Heroics? There's tons of websites and videos on youtube that you can look up on, it's just going to be the same or better, the average players skill might actually go up? People will eventually be more used to the raiding scene and actually attempt to join those hardcore guilds. To me it's a win win situation, if you still think it's bad though then there's nobody forcing you to use it.
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Drdood
Darksorrow
Drdood
29/11/2011
i would say a good and a bad move they are just makeing raids into dungeons but it is good for pople that cant find a gulid for raid or do not have achievement.
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Xavin
Runetotem
Xavin
29/11/2011
@Drdood: or do not have time for the most common raid periods?
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Shámmyx
Darksorrow
Shámmyx
29/11/2011
sucks so bad
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Cryocore
Darksorrow
Cryocore
29/11/2011
Hell yeah, I can't wait.
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Timmyish
Ghostlands
Timmyish
29/11/2011
good stuff should be interesting