4.3 Valor Changes
With the 4.3 patch we'll be introducing some changes to the way Valor Points (VP) are obtained, as well as the items that they can purchase.
Changes coming in 4.3:
- Looking for Dungeon — 150 VP per run, with a cap of seven runs per week. All Cataclysm heroic dungeons introduced in 4.0, 4.1, and 4.3, will provide 150 Valor per run.
- Looking for Raid — 250 VP per run, with a cap of 500 per week. The 4.3 raid, Dragon Soul, will be split into two separate raids for the Raid Finder. While individual bosses do not drop Valor when using the Raid Finder, you will receive 250 Valor for completing each Dragon Soul raid. Each boss will only drop loot for you once per week, but you will continue to get the 250 Valor for completing each Raid Finder raid, up to the 500 cap.
- 10 player raid boss — 115 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
- 25 player raid boss — 135 VP. There are nine bosses per week, counting Baradin Hold.
- Valor Points cap at 1000 per week.
As you acquire Valor you'll want to spend it, and vendors will be offering a wide range of items to equip you to take on the Dragon Soul raid encounters, including cloaks, rings, ranged weapons, necklaces, trinkets, chest pieces, helms, gloves, bracers, boots, and belts, all of which are ilvl 397.
Our goal with these changes is to move Valor back to the original intent of currency rewards as a consolation prize, for two main reasons: to make it less frustrating when you keep having bad luck getting an item you want from a particular boss, and to help encourage you to keep fighting bosses (and helping out the rest of your group) even if that particular boss didn’t drop anything for your character in particular. Over time we have also offered Valor as a reward for doing other activities (such as participating in Heroic 5-player dungeons) to provide players something to do on an off night or when they couldn’t raid.
In the past we have offered some tier pieces on the Valor vendor for players that just couldn’t justify the time or logistics necessary to participate in raids, but we’re hoping that the introduction of the Raid Finder tool helps remove that barrier. We think most players would agree that killing a giant monster and looting its corpse is more exciting than slowly farming a currency to purchase a reward. Currencies have their place, but we want them to be a secondary avenue of progression to boss killing.
While the Raid Finder will provide a lower difficulty for the Dragon Soul raids, and thus a lower ilvl of gear, the normal 10 and 25 raids will drop ilvl 397, with the final Deathwing encounters dropping ilvl 403. For the Heroic version, 10 and 25 will drop ilvl 410, and the Heroic Deathwing encounters will drop ilvl 416 loot.
As we near the release of 4.3 we’ll be posting everything you need to know about the Valor to Justice down-conversion process, so stay tuned.
Comments (985)
Shattered Halls
Hakkar
Nordrassil
Scarshield Legion
Dragonblight
Draenor
agree
Tarren Mill
The definition of Valor:
Great courage in the face of danger, esp. in battle.
How does that apply to your proposal?
Use your mind to think about not only your new purple shinies, but also about how this game developes/is developing.
Executus
Bronze Dragonflight
Azjol-Nerub
Turalyon
Hellscream
Emerald Dream
You should read tactics/learn tactics, watch a video, or get someone to explain it to you 'before' you enter a random dungeon [pug] .. If you can and do learn on the fly then that is ok if you know your not going to cause a wipe.. When new content comes out, I like to see it and learn it rather than watching a video.. I want to be suprised by what is in there so I group with my mates or guildies.. I do not enter a random LFG without having first learned the instance... Its not hard, especially not nowadays, and it doesnt take long either.. If everyone done this then LFG/LFD wouldnt have so many bad groups in it...people wouldnt wipe and they wouldnt moan as much and everyone would be happier..
When people enter such places ill prepared they are not only on their time.. they are in a group with other people who ALL pay for the game as well... So its detrimental to EVERYONES game if people do not learn the tactics.. People cannot expect to enter a heroic dungeon and just 'wing it' if they dont know their class and capabilities... As the lead Dev himself said "Heroic dungeons aren't for everyone.. They are meant to be hard"..
And all these people that I have seen reply to others posts with "How does that effect your game - It doesnt!" Like I said above when you enter a LFG/LFR its not just your money being spent its other peoples.. and some of them might need to go to work or to bed in a short while.. they dont need or want to be spending ages in a LFR/LFG when they could have finished and should have finished if only people had learned the fights...like I said they arent exactly hard or complicated to learn.
So next time, just hink and remember 'Its not just YOU paying for the game, or that has a life outside of WoW.. Make an effort to learn the content 'before' entering LFG/LFR and think of others as well as yourself.."
Sporeggar
Emerald Dream
Kazzak
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Frostwhisper
Lightning's Blade
Burning Legion
Terokkar
Bloodhoof
Darkmoon Faire
I don't raid in wow, can't stand raiding in WoW as it is full of #*#@ heads.
In EQ we had raid leaders and it was there job to know the tactics and list them at each boss encounter. To me, WoW Raid Guilds have raid leaders that are just lazy people, they want to have raids like a lot of people but expect all to go off and spend hours learning the tactics. That is wrong to me.
In EQ we found it a lot more straight forward to have just one person that spoke during the raid, before and during boss encounters.
In WoW due to lazy raid leaders, too many people speak way too much, as they think they know better than the raid leader or the raid leader is wrong, in their view.
In EQ these people would have been kicked and not allowed to raid again, the guild i was in, in EQ, was one of the top raiding guilds on the Vazaelle server, and was very pround of how well we worked.
There are to many chiefs in WOW raid guilds and not enough indians.
Mazrigos
It surely means a lot to me to hear your words ,and experience aswell.
And your totally right about everything u say ,they are nothing those elitists jerks that act bad to other ppl because they aint so good as they are, they dont think they ever can be that good either because in their mind and in their reality all ppl that cant learn fast shall quit this game and try another easy game, thats not nice to behave like that and not fair either. As u say we all pay for this game ,and the non elititists that cant learn fast when it comes to raid/hcs /instances/tactics /rotation system of your char or anything else,even they learn slow and need lots of practice they surely have also same right to be here as anyone else also. But in those elitists world it not often exist failure,, wipe ,understanding or care , just be good fast or get kicked out and u have to take lots of crap to u that will make you feel that your totally worthless. This game also makes ppl bad because they cant take it as a game only, they take it as a lifestyle and wiping is deathsin, they think of what others would say in their friends company if they say they wiped in that instance , they are afraid of what other ppl will think of it because they are expected always to kill things easy , to do all hcs, raids ,get all achivements and compete in gold, to get fast progress ,to succeed always. It has gone to their head so bad that they forgot humanity, to be human, to be nice ,helpful, caring and understanding. But what happens one day if they cant do things fast and the others they tracked and made fun of before will do it faster than them?.. Would they feel bad then and regret they treated ppl that way before..? Im not sure because they are so damaged inside their heart and mind ,that they only accept 100& success nothing more.. And yes its very hard to find a nice guild, I been in many searching for a calm place without any press, finally I found it also. I will be staying here also for a long time ,those ppl knows how to behave, they have active gc, they do things together but without press ,and everyone treat eachother good.
The perfect guild so far ,even I tried like 8 before.. and one of my gm tried to destroy all for me because hes so sad that he cant succeed in raids, he have hard to make groups for them, even that he has 600+ members he also invite more ..And the ppl there are sad and unhappy because they want to raid more.. so the leave many of them after waiting a long time
Then he invites more and more ,just to fill those places and hopefully get ppl enough not to be forced to take pugs all the time he has a scheduled run. Well he got me suffered for his leadership in the guild,thats not good.
I been gm before so I know how hard it can be to have a guild although u must use self respect and be nice to everyone, open & caring its still hard work because some ppl wants to raid ,some needs to do normals, some want boosts and so on. Still I never blamed ppl ,let them suffer for my leadership,if I did wrong, couldnt be as good as I wished/hoped for ,and that was my goal from the beginning when I started the Guild ,its never fair that others shall suffer for my frustation. Well some ppl shall not be Gm thats it because they cant behave and act and not let others suffer for the leadership they have if they are disappointed with it. Well Im very happy that you found a guild that suit your needs and can be a shelter to make you feel good always no matter what Tarls. Wish u the very best luck with that guild Tarls.:)
Mazrigos
Thanx a lot for your support ,that meant much for me to hear how others been treated also. I needed that ,thanx.
Shadowsong
What they don't seem to realise is that we pay the same as them to play this game and just because they have studied it or done these raids time and again doesn't mean they are anything special.
It's because of the elitists that many people are put off using idiot-finder or trying raids in the first place. It isn't fair that the elitist hard-core few should put others off what they have paid an equal amount of money to play.
This is where a good guild can come in very useful but trying to find one isn't so easy, especially with the guild changes Blizzard made so everyone now joins huge guilds for the perks, leavign smaller friendlier guilds to die off.
I would love to do more higher-level instances and raids but I have met so many nasty people (not often toward me to be fair, but people being nasty to others who perhaps struggle to understand tactics more than I do) that it has put me off. Thankfully I have now found a great, friendly, patient guild and we are starting to progress, but surely the fun is in the learning process and not the winning, otherwise winning would mean nothing.
Zenedar
Well... yeah it does actually. You can't possibly expect to be treated as a pro, get the same rewards as the pro's, and see the content the pro's see, when you actually aren't. This is the whole concept of an MMORPG. Just the fact that you pay the same amount of money as them doesn't mean you should be treated just like them, when they are in fact, better than you. That's just how the world works.
The whole "I pay for this game and therefore I should be allowed to get all the content in the game" attitude is what ruins MMO's in the first place, because that takes away absolutely everything that is called challenging gameplay. You pay for the game to be ABLE to play it, so does other people. They are just bettter than you.
The Sha'tar
Mazrigos
U cant judge ppl that hard because they dont learn so fast as u do. Many learns fast and doesnt need lots of practice of the tactics they need to know and learn to be good at, others takes longer time to learn that, and some takes very long time to learn. Shall those quit game because there are those that judge them too hard and puts a lot of press on them so they feel they cant learn and they think they are worthless? This game is for everyone ,none experienced players and those that are al ot of experienced, they have huge experience and not often do mistakes either, then there are those that doesnt have lots of experience only some,they take longer time to learn but they dont get much learning of watching videos or reading tacts on the net because they cant remember it so good ,they learn more if they practice together in raids a lot , then they can remember it that way instead of reading about/watching it.
Shall all those ppl quit wow then u say?
How fair is that?
Shall this game be only for elitists ppl or those ppl that can understand what they read about and learn it fast or watch videos and learn from that ? Even they watched it many times but still cant remember it and they want to be as good as any others be also, have good gears and try all new raids /instances as they do. Shall all those quit this game then ?
Its not so hard to explain tactics in voice - chat for example, then there would be less writing also..
If this game shall be for everyone no matter age u are in, it shall also be fair to everyone ,and u shall not always take for granted how ppl are because all are diffrent ,some learns fast and they can learn from watching videos and reading tacts on the net. Some ppl cant learn fast and doesnt matter how many times they watch those videos or read tacts they dont remember it anyway..
They need voice chat for ppl to explain what they shall do..to be good aso they can learn from that and one day even they talk in voice chat ,no one have to explain what they shall do because they learned it then. But even it takes long time to learn its not fair they shall not be able to raid /do instances because the ppl that do that learns faster than them.
So I think u are wrong there..
Emerald Dream
And if they cant learn tactics after watching vids, being told and a lot practise.. or rather [as you said] Can't remember after all that.. then I am afraid their chance of success isn't very good.. Anddo you really think that Blizz could or would make a successful game built around a difficulty designed for those people..???? In a word..No.. And come on, the people who you are speaking of must be very few and far between.. A good mate of mine has a young lad who has just turned 8.. he killed deathwing the week it came out.... and he doesnt struggle with learning tactics and he is 8 [ just].. I think a lot of people are just down right lazy tbh.. and you nor I , nor anyone else will ever be able to help those people until they start to help themselves..
Mazrigos
Spinebreaker
Emerald Dream
And to people who say elitist think the game is just for them.. re read what I just wrote.. By not trying people are basically saying they are more important than others.. Again it works both ways and we all pay to play..
Tarren Mill
This makes my head crank and turn.
You're saying that there are days that you actually take the time to tutor people. Followed by, that you are not able to, because they don't understand they're basic core info about their gameplay.
Is that not what you are to explain to them?
Spinebreaker
To gear up get the best of the HCs and all items from molten core.
Experience should be resolved by guilds, guilds should help less experienced player to practice in raids.
Mazrigos
Emerald Dream
Tarren Mill
There is a noticeable amount of errors/misunderstandings in this post, that I am replying to.
1. You are naming two guilds,that do not suit you. As from the exact names, I assume they are from your realm. This forum is all-realm wide. So certain guilds on your server should be dealt with on your server's sub-catagory. Plus that, perhaps those 2 guilds you named, aren't tutoral. But you'd have to know how many actually are.
2. The kid thing. First off, right after you mentioned kids, you said something about wife/GF's. As for kids I assume you mean between 12 and 14-15 years old.
Most of those people actually don't last that long, to actually reach, what you called:"Hardcore guilds". The people that feed and nurture those guilds, are mainly mature audience. A kid, not saying all are, is not yet in such a mental condition to do that.
You also mentioned a higher age restriction for WoW. Have you ever had voice chat enabled in a game like CoD, or any 18+ videogame that allows voice control? The higher the age restriction is, the more kids feel powerful and/or important when they actually own one of those.
And for closing number 3, the hobby/lifestyle part.
For me, it has turned from a hobby to a lifestyle. I feel comfortable with it, and have no problem telling people. That's just me.
A lot (mostly all) WoW gamers, buy and play this game for fun, as a hobby. I do not have any problems with that, really. If everyone would be like me, the real world would have 12 million less people supporting (/shrug) the actual world.
However, EVEN as a play for fun person, it is crucial to get the game, how everything works, what you should do at a particular difficult moment. You should not only play a game for you own personal pleasure, but also improve and support the community.
You don't have to play WoW 12+ hours a day to get that. It takes 30 minutes of googling a day, to find out what you have to do to fit in. You'll get the game in a week.
Use your common sense, don't do what exactly what you are told to.
AND WHEN YOU READ THIS POST, don't just think other people should do this. Start with yourself, and make the world of warcraft a better place, instead of blaming Blizzard.
Tarren Mill
Also, as much as I try not to be a jerk, have prejudice on people and call people "immature", I just couldn't resist not looking at the giant amount of grammar errors you made in just 11 lines of text.
Plus, that if you wére a mature person, of which you say you are due that you offend people in those guilds for being kids, I think you should get this whole drama over hard-to-get-into guilds, and how people are dramatizing this week after week, and go so on.
Mature people would get this.
This is not meant as a down-talker like "U SUX" and "NØØB" people like to use, but as a note. Nothing more/less.
Mazrigos
But there are also many kids playing this game,, too many of them and they destroy the game with their immature talk ,calling ppl retards and use lots of bad language and swear a lot. Also there are lots of adults but with a kids talk still. Well they truly take this game too serious and many of them doesnt have a social life outside wow so they build up their world here instead,nothing wrong with that aslong as they are nice and can take a conversation. But many of them cant ,and if ur going in a pug group ,the instance /raid /hc shall not take longer than 5 min, no matter how hard it is ,if someone make a mistake ,if the group should wipe they will leave right away many of those kids ,calling ppl things because they aint soo good as they are, but its them who has prb ,they take this game too serious ,they become possesed of it,they replaced their IRL life with this game only and thats really bad. If someone do a mistake and it leads to wipe it shall not be seen as a total failure ,this game is ONLY a game nothing more, not real life, nothing u can do in real life either. And u do mistakes in real life also, the only diffrence u dont get judge soo damn hard in real life compaired to the judgements here by stupid ppl that dont even know u.And as I said before if u been invited to a raid/hc/normal instance u must get it done fast ,often in 5 min, and now wipes /no mistakes are accepted at all . In those pug groups it doesnt exist patience, understanding,caring or mature ppl, not many of them, not often. They only mostly contain kids with immature talk that dont have much of social life ,they only live for wow and take it soo serious. They is who has huge prb not the ppl that do mistakes. Because all mortal ppl does somehow mistakes no matter what it is, but not those that are possessed immature game freaks with a kids mind, they live and die for wow ,only..
Mazrigos