Mists of Pandaria Buff and Debuff Design

Mists of Pandaria Buff and Debuff Design

We recently released an update to the Mists of Pandaria talent tree. Since the expansion is still in development, these updates represent a snapshot of where we are at any given moment and not a final design where we step back and say “Ladies and gentlemen, we have achieved perfection. Let us not change a thing.” If you’ve been playing the game for a while, you’ve probably realized by now that we never think we’ll hit perfection, and we probably never will.

One design that we haven’t focused on much yet is the plan for various group buffs and debuffs. Some specs have their buffs in place and some do not. Rather than trying to describe each omission, we thought we’d just dump the whole design on you here. As with the rest of the expansion’s systems, we’re not even in beta yet, so there’s plenty of time for things to change.

First, some underlying design goals, so you might understand where we’re coming from. Our main goals for group buffs are:

  • Make you feel more powerful when grouped with other players.
  • Give you lots of freedom to invite whom you want. This gets to be a problem when there are too many mandatory buffs spread out among too many specs. . .
  • …But not offer too many incentives to class stack. If you can achieve every buff with, say, only three players, then there might be a tendency to fill all of the other slots with whoever is best for a particular situation. Some class stacking is inevitable at the cutting-edge level, but to some extent, the players on the cutting edge of raiding enjoy extreme min-maxing. For the rest of us, we try to make sure you can finish all of the encounters without feeling like you need a huge roster of folks waiting in the wings for their one fight.
  • We tend to be more generous to DPS specs, since groups — especially raids — already have ample reasons to bring tanks and healers.
  • We generally don’t want a DPS spec to have to switch to a different spec in the same role just to bring a different buff. An example would be a Combat rogue who has to go Assassination just for a buff. In our experience, players are less likely to switch from a ranged to a melee DPS spec just for a buff, so DPS shaman and DPS druids might bring different buffs.

And finally some notes on the categories below:

  • The list only includes what we consider “traditional” buffs, such as Prayer of Fortitude. It doesn’t include utility like being great at snaring, battle rez, knock backs, high DPS while moving, and other mechanics. Those ultimately all factor into a raid or Battleground comp as well.
  • The matrix is a little more complex than it appears. A paladin, for example, can only offer one Blessing at a time, while a warrior can only do one shout at a time. You can’t assume one character can cover every buff or debuff listed below at the same time.
  • Some of these are active (you must cast them, like Prayer of Fortitude) while others are passive. Note that totems no longer bring passive buffs as a rule.
  • You’ll see several categories consolidated or gone. Bleeds no longer made sense, since everyone who cared about bleeds already buffed themselves. Magical resistance we just removed from the game, though there are some abilities that provide magical damage reduction.
  • We are still likely to use the design that hunters, especially Beastmaster hunters, can fill in for missing buffs or debuffs by using certain pets.

As always, we’d love to get your feedback on this design.

Buffs

Stats
Effect: +5% Strength, Agility, and Intellect
Example: Blessing of Kings
Brought by: Any druid, any monk, any paladin

Stamina
Effect: +10% Stamina
Example: Power Word: Fortitude
Brought by: Any priest, any warlock, any warrior

Attack Power
Effect: +10% melee and ranged attack power (which will be the same value again)
Example: Battle Shout
Brought by: Any death knight, any hunter, any warrior

Spell Power
Effect: +10% spell power (there will no longer be a 6% version)
Example: Arcane Brilliance
Brought by: Any mage, any shaman, any warlock

Haste
Effect: +10% melee and ranged haste
Example: Improved Icy Talons
Brought by: Frost and Unholy death knights, any rogue, Enhancement shaman

Spell Haste
Effect: +5% spell haste
Example: Moonkin Aura
Brought by: Balance druids, Shadow priests, Elemental shaman

Critical Strike
Effect: +5% ranged, melee, and spell critical chance
Example: Leader of the Pack
Brought by: Guardian and Feral druids, any hunter, any mage

Mastery
Effect: +5 mastery
Example: This is a new category
Brought by: Windwalker monks, any paladin, any shaman

Debuffs

Weakened Armor
Effect: -12% armor
Example: Sunder Armor
Brought by: Any druid, any rogue, any warrior

Physical Vulnerability
Effect: +4% physical damage taken
Example: Brittle Bones
Brought by: Frost and Unholy death knights, Retribution paladins, Arms and Fury warriors

Magic Vulnerability
Effect: +8% spell damage taken
Example: Curse of the Elements
Brought by: Any rogue, any warlock

Weakened Blows
Effect: -10% physical damage done
Example: Previously Demoralizing Shout; now Thunder Clap
Brought by: Blood death knight, Feral and Guardian druid, Brewmaster monk, Protection or Retribution paladin, any warrior (any tank)

Slow Casting
Effect: -30% casting speed
Example: Mind-numbing Poison
Brought by: Any death knight, any rogue, any warlock

Mortal Wounds
Effect: -25% healing received
Example: Mortal Strike
Brought by: Arms or Fury warrior, any rogue, any hunter

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft. He was unsuccessful in convincing the rest of the class team to change Arms warrior mastery to decreased falling damage taken.

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Rakaz
Bronze Dragonflight
Rakaz
21/03/2012
@Drakewarz: So if u rezzed me you were a Hunter with bloodlust/Heroism?
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Mallania
Kilrogg
Mallania
21/03/2012
@Drakewarz: You can bloodlust with BM core hound pet...
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Druidofdoom
Emeriss
Druidofdoom
19/03/2012
Whats gonna happen with the druid buff that increase some statsby 5%?
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Jiiea
Darkmoon Faire
Jiiea
19/03/2012
@Druidofdoom: Don't Fool yourself.
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Fungacide
Dragonblight
Fungacide
18/03/2012
There was an opportunity here to make the pure dps classes pretty vital to a balanced raid again but it seems that was not to be.
Looking down this list you could still field a raid team of hybrid classes plus a rogue and have every buff and have the flexibility hybrid classes bring.
between this and the new talent trees it just seems like yet more dumbing down of wow which makes me sad.
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Iasul
Stormscale
Iasul
19/03/2012
@Fungacide: I agree. But I'm afraid this is necessary as the human race itself is dumbing down and they demand simplicity, which makes me sadder.
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Volderon
Sylvanas
Volderon
22/03/2012
@Iasul: Speak for your self
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Nevrina
Argent Dawn
Nevrina
16/03/2012
As someone mentioned in your 'Role of Role' feedback, why not give buffs to the 4 pure classes (mage,warlock,rogue,hunter), make the 'buffing' more active not a one shot passive thing, and redesign a spec from each class to cover it? As it stands the pure classes are gradually being marginalised. They dont have the choice of playing a different role (tank or healer), their damage is equivalent to hybrid dps specs, so why not give them utility (buff) specs instead?
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Apollonius
Emerald Dream
Apollonius
16/03/2012
I sense that this is still in line with "bring the player, not the class" filosofy. I'd rather wanna test it in beta before liking or disliking these changes.
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Linaril
Ravencrest
Linaril
15/03/2012
To put it out simply, I really prefer old system, even more when we are takling about paladins blessing and shamans totems. At the other hand i like the idea that one buff boost just one stat.
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Antioc
Ahn'Qiraj
Antioc
15/03/2012
personally i want to see how this plays out, on paper its a good idea for a reason of mix and match to get the best buffs for a raid is good and will mean different comps in rbgs and arenas just so they have the bases covered by the buffs and debuffs. yes its different and might be a huge fail but then again it might bring back certain class and specs, TBC where pallys was used for buffs and epic healing and used a spriest just for the health buff. Don't judge before its added because it might be better than it is now (not hard in my opinion)
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Wurim
Argent Dawn
Wurim
15/03/2012
well that sucks.
could you turn the buff system into something more boring and generic?
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Gronotem
Auchindoun
Gronotem
15/03/2012
WTB realms with specific expansions NAO!
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Nerobyrne
Die Nachtwache
Nerobyrne
22/03/2012
@Gronotem: YES PLEASE! This would just make my day, they can even charge a one-time fee to play on those realms if they want, i don't care. Somehow though, i think that many of the players who actually have skill left because they used to raid difficult dungeons would leave, and there'd be almost noone left to play the live game.
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Thank God i have warr , hunter , shammy , lock and rogue :D
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Kattia
Emeriss
Kattia
14/03/2012
I like the change too, but still prefer the old wow for leveling, it took ages and you seen the whole world, now you can stay in org to lvl 70-75 without having to outside the city walls and just use the dungeons, way to too easy
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Lusun
Sporeggar
Lusun
14/03/2012
Fall of lich king wotlk, Fall of deathwing cata, Fall of warcraft MoP? Bring game to old dificult, and bring to classes and specs their originality.

Greg “Ghostcrawler” Street is the lead systems designer for World of Warcraft. He was unsuccessful in convincing the rest of the class team to change Arms warrior mastery to decreased falling damage taken
He is crazy, Arms warriors have good mastery. Keep playing RP with your fury but dont change his abilities pls, cos its always wrong step :P
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Garrath
Alonsus
Garrath
14/03/2012
I don't get what's with the complaints honestly. Everyone saying you ruined WoW are pretty much just nostalgic idiots, I'm pretty sure the fact that different classes can use different buffs wasn't the thing that made vanilla and TBC awesome, was it? I like this change.
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Slicktrix
Bronze Dragonflight
Slicktrix
14/03/2012
It makes me sad to have came back to wow recently to find that such an epic experience, not just a game has become so flooded with players who are spamming the LFR, boosting chars straight to 80 and who have no idea of what this game is supposed to be about! What happened to the days of farming for the best gear, no easy ways out of grinding for the high end gear by spamming an activity then trading X currency for X. I can feel my wow career coming to an end. Will miss WoW a lot, especially having grown up playing it.
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Garrath
Alonsus
Garrath
14/03/2012
@Slicktrix: You do have to farm for the best gear... What you get in raid finder isn't nearly as good as the stuff from the real dungeon.
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Bløødhoof
Genjuros
Bløødhoof
13/03/2012
And im not regret to judge you cause i pay for that game. do i?
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Bløødhoof
Genjuros
Bløødhoof
13/03/2012
All my friends stopped playing WoW... ALL OF THEM!!! u know why? cause u destroyed WoW and not fixed it! Cause people tells you that somethings are not good to be done and u doing what u think its better by destroying this game :( realy this is not good...
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Bløødhoof
Genjuros
Bløødhoof
13/03/2012
What i realy thing about the Pandaria? its nice with the new things right? but changing things to worse is very bad... realy realy bad.... :/ Where is the Legendary WoW of 60 and 70 levels? Where is the PvP? cause now i can't say that ''this is a PvP''... BRING THE OLD PvP BACK or realy i will stop playing WoW... The changes u made are worse than ever!!

PS: Do u 'Ghostcrawler' realy thing that changing warrior Mastery for decreasing falling dmg is good idea? pfffff i don't think so? this sucks ;/
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Legonaren
Ghostlands
Legonaren
13/03/2012
There were happened a fail with my scroll of resurection.
I didnt self choosed who mi would have in lvl 80
It should have been my 26 mage on doomhammer instead of my lvl 30 pala on ghostland
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Elevenhunter
Bloodhoof
Elevenhunter
13/03/2012
@Legonaren: I sent Two invite's to one of my other account's, i made for my Son And each one failed to get there, so in the end i rang them up. They sorted it there and then, maybe you should give them a ring and give them what for. And do expect double the time they say on waiting time...
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Tamago
Twisting Nether
Tamago
13/03/2012
as usual, this isn't final. So why whine about something that's not even sure yet.
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Deadhaunt
Stormscale
Deadhaunt
13/03/2012
hold a sec Blizz!! while almost all classes will give 1-2 buffs, mages will have only one? I dont have a pala char, but u seem to have something against all pala, what about priest??
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Dramaca
Dragonblight
Dramaca
13/03/2012
@Deadhaunt: Mages get 2, +5% crit and the spell power one, read it through before you start moaning
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So holy priests get nothing... well, that seems fair... not.
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Deadhaunt
Stormscale
Deadhaunt
13/03/2012
@Smtm: Agree! while almost all classes can provide 1-2 buffs, priest got nothing and mage only int buff :(, not fair
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Garrath
Alonsus
Garrath
14/03/2012
@Deadhaunt: Try reading the post... Mages get two and priests get two.
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Jutic
Ravencrest
Jutic
13/03/2012
and in this su cks again that DK and rogues bring auras which cant be dispelled or taken away in any form, like paladins all effects are magic and all pallys have seen in cata how fun it is when everything is taken away in a fingersnap... MoP will be a funeral for paladins and cata was a good preparation... RIP all fellow pallys...
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Sylvánás
Shadowsong
Sylvánás
18/03/2012
@Jutic: you made me cry :/
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Jutic
Ravencrest
Jutic
13/03/2012
so in normal raid setup only melees will be rogues and DKs?
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Skywalldoro
Argent Dawn
Skywalldoro
12/03/2012
Lol what's wrong with pointing out the things you don't like about the changes.
All these defenders and their " The changes will obviously change bla-bla-bla" So you say on every single expansion, yet blizzard seem to fail balancing the game. And it always feel like Mage and rogue are the one topping the OP score. All the f###### time. Just look at the changes now, rogues will be come even stronger tanks, even very promising buffs for mages. ( Not for us other classes ) Mage/Monk/Rogue anyone? The new OP instant 2.2k without any skill setup.
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Nahkriin
Stormscale
Nahkriin
13/03/2012
@Skywalldoro: Believe it or not. Hunters can easily own any rogue or mage. It's like rock paper scissor
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Zinwrathy
Earthen Ring
Zinwrathy
12/03/2012
Funny how Rogue appear in so many of them.
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Hellscreamer
Nagrand
Hellscreamer
12/03/2012
@Apothecaris: Amen to that one mate!
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Daewy
Drak'thul
Daewy
12/03/2012
All i have to say that MoP is going to be not so interesting. It will be even more easy (more easy, more people, more noobies, more money for blizz) and its dangerously going to "new expansion = more easy then before. I really would love to try how it was playing in vanilla and tbc. But i wont judge before i take look on MoP beta
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Apothecaris
Darkspear
Apothecaris
12/03/2012
Dear people,

God i love you ,all the whining and B*tching, but think about a couple of factors before you all start ranting.

1: in time things change , look around you ... also out in the real world things change.So that being stated its kinda normal things change within WOW also.I play this game for 7 years now and sure indeed it use to be harder.Nonetheless who of you cleared DS10/25 on HC? Dont think that will be an awefull lot of people...So actually you can make it as hard as you want .

2: Indeed Blizz is making it all towards raiding end content or PvP.Thats logic ,Since most people want that , Or does any of you want to be stuck in like lets say : End time , or stonecore????.didnt think so too.

3: Fact is alot of people are whining about alot of stuff ,when in fact they havent played the new expansion yet , nor have seen it all work together.
and in short dont know,cant know and will not know untill they either play Beta or when its out in store.

But the last thing and thats actually what personally stuns me , is that i see alot of people complain and whine ,that on top of that actually KEEP ON paying 13 euros a month to blizzard .....is this your "whining" Fee? Cause if i would constantly have to whine about my class the game in general ...i would just stop ...MOVE ON , do something else. there is a world out there also , BUT be warned things change in that world , people dont like whiners and complainers there , so be carefull out there if you cannot stand changes or invent a time machine so you can keep yourself stuck in time

Apo out!