Bringing Achievements to the Account Level

Bringing Achievements to the Account Level

We recently added account-level changes to achievements in World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria, and there’s still a lot of work left before we’re done. The plan here is to illustrate the intent behind our design, which should in turn help you figure out the answers to many of your questions.

Overall, we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. Having alts is cool and working on achievements is cool, but we don’t want the two systems to work against each other.

This goal is paramount and drives everything else. If we allowed you to earn extra achievement points from completing an achievement on two different characters, then you might only want to play the character with the most points and you’d feel like you had to grind through all the achievements with every alt, thus defeating the purpose of having account-level achievements.

Most achievements are account-wide

This means you only earn the points once. If you have earned an achievement on one character, you can see it on all your characters. However, and this is important, you will still see the achievement toast (the pop-up notification) if a second or subsequent character completes the achievement. We think it’s still important to recognize milestones like reaching level 80, maxing out a profession, or killing a raid boss for the first time. It's fun to have everyone congratulate you when you get the toast. Nonetheless, this will just be a new character of yours completing the achievement that you’ve already earned on your account. You won’t double up on points.

Most criteria are not account-wide

If you start an achievement on one character, you can't then finish the achievement on another (there are exceptions, so please keep reading). We didn't think it made sense for one character to get level 60 and another to get level 20 and then see the "level 80" achievement toast. If you start to explore Thousand Needles on one character, you’ll probably want to finish that achievement on the same character.

Some achievements are "meta achievements."

These are achievements that require you to get other specific achievements. An infamous example is "What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been." These achievements generally ARE account-wide. If one character earned Noble Gardener and another character earned The Flame Warden, then your account would get Long Strange Trip. (Otherwise it would be weird: it would look as if you had the sub-achievements, but you wouldn't have the meta-achievement). Even though you need Explore Thousand Needles on one character, all of your characters can contribute to Explore Kalimdor.

A very few achievements are account-only.

There are two categories of account-only achievements. One is achievements that are not possible to earn on one character. If we made an achievement to level every class to level 90, it would be account-only. (I'm not sure we will, but it's a good example.) The other category are achievements that are just brutal to complete on one character (and you’d never want to do for multiples), such as 2500 daily quests or 250K honorable kills. In these cases, the cumulative work of all your characters on those criteria will count.

Our intent is that any rewards granted from achievements (pets, mounts, titles, and tabards) will be shared at the account level.

I'm not going to promise this yet, because a lot of magic has to happen for that to work, but it's our intent. We have discussed having a character level requirement for some rewards, so that your level-2 gnome couldn’t walk around with the "Defender of a Shattered World" title just because your level-90 shaman earned it. If the gnome made it to level 80, though, you could proudly show off your title. You also won’t be able to use a faction-specific pet, mount, or title on the wrong faction. The achievement wouldn’t go away -- you just wouldn’t be able to show it off on that character. There are probably additional exceptions and details we’ll find as we dig deeper into the system.

This is the kind of system that will evolve over time, and we don’t think this has to be the way achievements work forever. As beta players start experimenting with it and offering feedback, I am certain that we will end up making even more changes.

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Pootle
Azuremyst
Pootle
08/03/2013
I am not happy about shared pets, because when I get a pet on one character I then have to destroy it when others get it, also I hate profession bound items I have a Priest & a Mage who would love a Carpet but the cant because its Taylor bound and this is just one example
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Sínisterr
Sylvanas
Sínisterr
09/10/2012
Ok personally im a big fan of this cause I created my warr (main) for fun as its the first class on the list to talk to some friends and check out the game and slowly slowly he became my main character. I started farming achs, reps, mounts, pets, proffs etc, and tbh now if I was to pick a class for my main, warrior was going to be end of my list. So as I have max level my class that eventually I want to make my main, I would appreciate if reps and secondary proffs could get on account level aswell, so I could play the class I want for my main at last! Im saying this cause I would have to spend loads of time to regain all the exalted reputations I have on my warr and some more time to max secondary proffesions. This will be great because people could change main characters with no loss of anything, Thanks.
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Behska
Ravencrest
Behska
21/09/2012
Most often the fact you can´t use RAF is because the country you reside in doesn´t allow it. BLizzard doesn´t control the legal situation in countries, yet anyway
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Aldarìs
Ravenholdt
Aldarìs
14/09/2012
I personally think that these changes are good, but I still cannot play iwth my friend because I am from the country You dont care about and cannot cast RAF, great job blizz...
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Lambertbutle
Darkmoon Faire
Lambertbutle
12/09/2012
Ok, was looking forward to some of this, especially from a reputation point of view, get factions up to exalted on my main and buy the relevant recipes on my alts for the professions(seeing as there all still BOP instead of BOA)
Well how wrong i was, still can't buy relevant stuff as even though the achievement is there on my alts because they themselves haven't done the achievement it can't be bought and this is going to make me play my alts more, wrong, get it sorted blizz, whats the point in doing half a job, either implement it correctly or scrap it.
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Dragonart
Dragonblight
Dragonart
12/09/2012
Achievement points... what the hell are those for? they mean nothing to me. Do you have any idea how many noobs run around bragging and talking big about their achievements. while actually they did nothing themselfs to earn them, no the pug team or guild did it. All they did was stand there watching. Or better, those Night Elf Priest braggin and talking big about having the 1000 Honorable Kill achievement for PvP. while they actually allmost never killed a horde themselfs, all they do in a BG is stand in a bush hiding in shadowmelt, proffitting fron others who do the killing. So achievement points mean nothing to me.
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Dragonart
Dragonblight
Dragonart
12/09/2012
Why not try create an option so players can choose wether they want achievements, pets, mounts ect. to be accound bound or not. This way I would for certain choose the not option, cos I want to work for all these things with each character seperately. I do not want lazy !@# free handouts for my alts. NOT my style.
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Dragonart
Dragonblight
Dragonart
12/09/2012
Like Venmore I to am a veteran WoW player actually even pre Vanilla. I sadly lost my old account cos I moved from country to country. And been away since lich King until aprox 3 months ago.

tbh Blizz you are all wrong. We LOVEDS doing everything for each character. what else would we do when having reached max lvl and best gear. The we do raids, bg, daylies, for the achievments.

NOW I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY ANY OF MY ALTS UNTILL I GOTTEN ALL ACHIEVEMENTS ON MY MAIN AGAIN!!

Cos how lame is it when you are checking your achievements on your main and you see in the list: Pethoria: achieved by Alexandar ( an alt) ON MY MAIN!!

Or, when you logon even to a brand new made character, you asap get ALL achievements you ever accomplished with any of your characters, including the mount, pet or anything neededx for that achievments. even titles... why would I still want to play my alts if I dont have to do !@#$ on them to regain my titles and achievments, mounts or pets... cos I allready got them???

Why would I even bother to redo any of those so fun quests you worked so hard for to make, like the singing sunflower quest with any alt?? ITS A WASTE OF TIME NOW!! Cos I allready got the companion with my main. So when I complete it with an alt I do get the companion but it states its allready known so I can do nothing more but sell it to a vendor or delete it.

oh yeah going account bound on pets mounts and achievements REALLY gave me more will to play my many alts..... NOT!!!!

What were you thinking?
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Venmore
Ravencrest
Venmore
05/09/2012
I'm a veteran player, who've played since the second release of vanilla.

I've read a lot of you guys's posts about how this will melt all your alts together and I can see your point.

From my point of view this is great. Ever since achievements came out, I've had personal contests with my friends about getting the most points. We didn't care about which achievements gave the points, only how many we had. Later in wow I changed main, but he didn't which meant that I had to start from scratch. This chance completely put me off achievement hunting, which resulted in me not joining a lot of stuff my friends were doing, since I didn't want to start farming achievements again, just to get hocked on doing a lot of stuff again. With this change I can continue on contest with my friend :). Though I do have to admit that all the time where I've been avoiding achievements have put me pretty far behind ;)

Also if this patch means that I can prove to pugs, that "I" as a person have been through some content, on some other character, which allows me to enter on this new alt, then I'll be forever grateful. Though I have the feeling that achievements still will show if its an account or char achievement. Thus giving pugs a new reason to doubt you and to let you into their pug. I still hope that it will be easier in general to get into pugs :).

Anyways great discussion from you guys. A final note about those of you who ask for a "turn account wide off". From a programming point of view I think this will be very tough. Not impossible, but tough, and that's why its not going to be made possible :)
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Tzanct
Ravencrest
Tzanct
04/09/2012
In my opinion, this idea is brilliant!
I clearly remember the dissatisfaction when playing on my Paladin, just because my Violet Proto-Drake was stuck on my Death Knight.
I highly agree, that misc. items shouldn't be your reason for playing a certain class. You should play the class because you like the class itself, not because you have items that satisfy yourself or others.
All I desire from you now Blizzard, is a shared faction-realm gold pouch. (E.g. all alliance characters on a certain realm has a shared gold pouch.)
It's also important for me to point out, that you still need to make people use effort to get the achivements. Don't do the mistake of making Loremaster a random-earned achivement, because you chose different leveling routes. I think that would be a shame.
Make it harsh, but worth it!
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Texel
Aggramar
Texel
04/09/2012
Blizzard should stop this sharing. I loved world of warcraft since i dont play many games part from resident evil. and now this sharing thing has made me so annoyed! they Said "I am certain that we will end up making even more changes." They should change it to not share!
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Valestrion
Defias Brotherhood
Valestrion
04/09/2012
In the beginning, as a Paladin, it was necessary to be level 60 and complete a quest chain that involved a fair bit of effort and about 500 or so gold to obtain the thing that marked you as a fully fledged paladin, your charger. A little later, when I actually got as far as getting my charger, there was an option just to buy the ability but it was a bit more expensive that way and you missed out on the sense of achievement in earning your charger, so I still opted for the quest. As time went by, the level dropped and the skill got cheaper until, pre-5.0.4, it came at level 40 and cost an insignificant amount. Now, as it's a spell rather than a purchased mount, I guess that's still the same. However, later I found a new challenge in obtaining my Traveller's Tundra Mammoth. No quest this time but it wasn't cheap. Now, however, all these mounts come for free. I, for one, miss the days of having to put some effort into getting my charger.
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Luminimage
Silvermoon
Luminimage
03/09/2012
So if achievmements are account bound
WHY is it I have the achievement Breaking the sound barrier on all Lvl 85 chars now and dont have the 310% mount speed when I mount up, also I have 35 exhalted achievement on all chars now but cant buy items from them which require exhalted
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Mattytailor
Magtheridon
Mattytailor
04/09/2012
@Luminimage: Because it was implemented really badly, in a huge hurry. My characters are still dinging achievements that my other alts already have (i.e. they are already shown as completed at account level). This was a terrible D3-led dumbing down that wasn't done properly at all. Best to use Altoholic and ignore it until it's fixed.
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Depressionz
Balnazzar
Depressionz
03/09/2012
I like this idea. although at the moment there seems to be a slight bug, where non blue-account achievements are showing up as done on characters that haven't done it. Saying Not completed by Depressionz, earned by Goldenshower, for example.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or what, but it's odd.
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Emazriel
Dentarg
Emazriel
03/09/2012
I am so upset Blizz has done this. The account wide achievs and mounts/pets completely makes all the hard work, all the grinding and farming and arguing with your girlfriend to let you play 5 more minutes to get that epic mount . . . . . . . . . .POINTLESS. It takes away the individuality of that char. Come on people if you dont like it either say so thats what these comments are for. Lets get it changed.
On a better note mists looks stunning and cannot wait for it. Just a shame about all that above this.
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Texel
Aggramar
Texel
04/09/2012
@Emazriel: I am Really Annoyyed too. I share an account with my Bro's because my Mum cant aford to pay for them to have they're own! I want Blizzard to stop this achievment sharing because it is a terrbile idea and verything else you have to share it takes away the individuality of the character like you said. when blizzard sorts this sharing thing out mabey ill play again!
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Fyantoperz
Burning Legion
Fyantoperz
02/09/2012
nice idea, but as far as I can see it's not yet implemented
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Shutaur
Sunstrider
Shutaur
01/09/2012
Well first of all some remeber my posts here from the beginning cause i was one of the first who said that this feature will clearly kill this game . I was overthrown with comments that i have no idea waht i am talking about and that i am illogical and so on. But now i see a lot of people agreeing with me on this subject. I think that blizz is going to loose a lot of players due to this account wide achievement thing. Why?
Well, first of all its not just the account wide achievement thing but a lot others like the shared account wide mounts. My lvl 2 warr has 101 mount. and most of my titles which i have been sitting for hours on my computer to get. Once i do something ---> i have never to do it again. And please dont come with the comments about character specific achivs and account bound. Its all the same at the end. Making my HK's combine is also a ridicilous idea . So blizzard when you said "we never want you to play Character A instead of Character B because of achievement concerns. If Character A had the Violet Proto-Drake, then you might not play Character B. If Character A was only one holiday away from the Violet Proto-Drake, then you may not play Character B. If Character A had completed most of the raid achievements from Dragon Soul, you may not want to bring Character B for one fight and miss out on the achievement. " showed me that you rather focus on new 10-14 year old players ( to whom this game is hard) than your old school players who farmed 1 reputation for months , or grinded a mount or a boss or something else. You will loose players ( probably me , who is playing not since beginning but i am playing 6 years) but i guess thats just moneymaking business. I would really see some responds from Blizzard but i know no one gives a crap.

Sincerely Shutaur
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Natherion
Stormscale
Natherion
31/08/2012
I really dont see the point in restricting pvp mounts to character specific.
It discourages me to do pvp at all just for the mount rewards, as I cant use the mount on my alts that dont do pvp.
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Mysticmoó
Spinebreaker
Mysticmoó
31/08/2012
My honor kills aren't combined across characters.... Even though it is stated that these progressive achievements would be shared. Others have got theirs, anyone having a similar problem. Because this one is really grinding me and 9 days on a damn ticket... (no doubt will be answered when i'm not online with some unhelpful crap)
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Rashura
Ragnaros
Rashura
31/08/2012
@Mysticmoó: Have you logged in on all your chars?
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Mysticmoó
Spinebreaker
Mysticmoó
31/08/2012
@Rashura: Yes I have logged in all my chars. Are your HK's combined for progression say you have 2 chars one has 7k one has 10k now your on 17k? Because its winding me up!
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Melbak
Neptulon
Melbak
31/08/2012
Can't get it what do u mean with "responsible for his own progress" . This is not a progress race between your alts cuz ... You are the only man playing them, so it sounds like you are competing with yoursefl , and thats kind of sick :)
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Valestrion
Defias Brotherhood
Valestrion
04/09/2012
@Melbak: Call me old fashioned but I tend to see myself as competing against the game rather than competing against other players. The way it stands now, I can compete against the game only once. Before, I could compete against the game every time I created a new character.
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Valestrion
Defias Brotherhood
Valestrion
30/08/2012
So it's no longer possible to have an alt who is entirely responsible for his own progress. I'm not too worried about account-wide achievements as achievements are intangible. However, account-wide mounts destroy the independence of characters from each other.
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Orçun
Ravenholdt
Orçun
30/08/2012
We will probably lose something instead of having sth useless. Iwas exalted with Bloodsail Buccaneers b4 Deathwing. With expansion world was changed and there were new scenarios and most of the quests changed. To have the Loremaster achievements we are forced to do quests again. (by force means if you are achievement addict) To get the achievement points from Cape of STV i lost my reputation and cant get exalted with pirates again.
This kind of new things always takes something from us. Thats what i see from changes.
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Falnir
Tyrande
Falnir
29/08/2012
Nice. Now I want (real) BoA heirlooms, not Bind on Server ones.
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I strongly oppose the idea of bringing the achievements to the account level! I belive that every character shall and has a right to live its own life!
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Adór
Silvermoon
Adór
29/08/2012
lol it doesnt seem to work here, did DS on my main but my alt still hasnt got it :D
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Blackdragonk
Azuremyst
Blackdragonk
29/08/2012
its nice
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Warrsome
Dentarg
Warrsome
29/08/2012
hmm sounds cool , finally not spending hours for an achievement you already got :)
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Nykira
Vek'nilash
Nykira
29/08/2012
This has nothing to do with making the game any easier, just to make sure that playing stays fun and doesn't become some kind of duty or hard work ;)
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Nykira
Vek'nilash
Nykira
29/08/2012
This is great because I love to switch between my alts. I sometimes feel restrained by things like achievements so I end up playing a character that I don't really feel like playing at that given time!
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Rokhard
Chamber of Aspects
Rokhard
29/08/2012
Reading these posts on this topic...obviously ppl like and u always get some spoil sport sayin its makin the game to easy. Well, i like this acheiv and i dont think it makes the game to easy. I like playin WoW but dont have time to get every acheiv on my 5 l85's, because i have a life. So for me im happy if blizz decide to go with this :)
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Unreasonable
Darksorrow
Unreasonable
29/08/2012
love it, got almost 8 characters leveled up to 85, and almost every one of them has been clearly my main at a certain time.
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Broadside
The Venture Co
Broadside
29/08/2012
These account-wide mounts and pets appear to be realm-wide...
I have some expensive mounts with my character on a server I used to raid on, including the Traveller's Tundra Mammoth, but I can't see this from my RP server characters... Same goes for Phoenix Hatchling (from Magister's Terrace)... Can anyone confirm if any of this is actually Account-Wide... or is it just Realm-Wide (or Server-Wide)?
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Tjillin
Argent Dawn
Tjillin
29/08/2012
I like this... not so much for pve as for pvp. It's good to get achievements for being a fc, or a healer, or a sneaky rogue instead of having to be a tank/sneak - heal (I'm a priest, not a druid!). Seems only fair.
Also, about the game 'getting to easy'. I think dungeons, raids and questing are contributing (nearing) 100% of that feeling, whereas some achievements might give me that same feeling. This change I actually love. Way to go!
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Evôz
Sylvanas
Evôz
29/08/2012
Well also if u got "raven lord" on one charecter i guess u get that on all accounts? but if u don't have it yet its now easyer to obtain it?
Cause if u got 5 lvl 85's you can farm for it 5times a day... there SHOULD be like a account only 1day mount drop cooldown or what u would call it :)
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Scrazen
Burning Blade
Scrazen
29/08/2012
@Evôz: Raven Lord is Feat of Strength not Achievement.. I think mount you will get only on that char where did you loot it...