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BoE or BoA are not the same as chaos orbs which can be freely traded or sold. If Spirits of Harmony were made freely available they would just be duped/botted as well which defies the original intention of making professions more valuable.
The point I was raising was the disadvantage of BoE against the advantage of BoA.

it is the same as chaos orbs. so why not

Slayerofdeath, I have alts and all of them have maxed professions. I am referring to those people who just do not have the time between their real life commitments and playing. I think you got the point of my post wrong :)

lol selan clearly ur quiet new to game how long it take to level to 85 and proffesions an dgear lol well how long it take u start a new toon from 1- 85 in 2 weeks max and thats chilling and takin time proffs same easy to level and gearing well my last 85 warrior i was in lfr and 378 item level in 2 hours of dinging and that was full pve if u find it difficult i would surgest u stop playinmg cause it clearly is not

Correct me if I am wrong but this does not curb the worst of what is killing economies at the moment, the ore and herb botters!

Many of us have leveled profs on alts to be self sufficient where by not every one of those alts might be ready to go out to get the Spirit of Harmony.
Making it BoA would solve the issue many have who use alts to craft items. Stopping botters will still ensure that there is less AH camping as people actually have to go herb and mine rather than purchasing everything from the AH but also enables them to "play" their main/s in the scarce time many have who juggle between working, kids or school/university.

It is nice to see that at least this important new item is not available on the "free market" but seriously, why punish everyone who took on leveling more than one toon and profs to now have to play all of them, regardless of their gearing and ability while at the same time those that have ruined the economy for so long can still go about their ways?
Making it BoE does what? Anger those that actually work/ed hard for their professions while those that foul up our game play can still do that.
Ores and herbs are used in many professions, why not let it drop there as well and have it BoA. Same for skinning. In this way you make botters - at least for the spirit of harmony part useless but reward the proper "gatherers".
BoE WILL drive people away, those that can not spend hours after hour playing every char they have just to get enough of those spirits to craft the items.
Do you have any idea how much time is used to level a char to 85, max profs on him? Now you in fact demand that every one of those is "ready" to go out to go against all the odds (for those prof chars you never geared to the max because they are only your crafters) to get the needed spirits?
I can already imagine guild chats " Sorry, I can not raid or do dungeons or help you lower guildies because I have to work on my crafter as I need him ready to go out and hope for spirit drops." etc.. you get my point.

Get botters and dupers off the servers, I mean honestly, how much more proof of someone botting do you need than to check the AH once in a while, I see same chars putting in hundreds of stacks of ores or herbs at a silly low price every day. Every miner and herber can assure you that it takes a lot of time just to get those few stacks you need for your crafters.

Making it BoA from the start will make everyone happy as they can decide who they play.
Stopping botting and duping will make all honest players happy as now their own "harvest" is worth something again.

I implore you to consider making the spirits BoA from the start as this will ensure everyone can still play his/her favourite char/s while at the same time preventing the cheating with this obviously most important item.

This can be a good idea .

This is for everyone who keeps asking to get freebeez... Well that's the whole idea is it not? You can still "Leach"off the ah if you want... You just won't be using your proffesions to their fullest potential. As to everyone else who keeps complaining about actualy having to play this game again instead of idling in Stormwind or Orgrimar, just waiting for Blizz to hand you some more freebeez, you should be ashamed of yourselfs! Back in vanilla people spent months just farming for their epic mounts! Not to mention trying to get resistance gear for raids... The whole point behind some of the major changes in MoP is that Blizz has finaly realised that people who actualy put the extra effort in should be rewarded for it! You should all be glad that Blizz is trying so hard to make sure everyone gets to experience the full content! And at the same time do something for the long time client base, who actualy care for a little challenge to get something. All i can say is: "Thank you Blizzard! For actualy giving us old school players something to work for again!" Seriously guys, can we all just quit crying to Blizz to make things more easy? You can play easy, just don't expect to have everything your friend has, who HAS put the effort in! No more of this "I want my main to boost my alts". Play your alts people! Next you're going to ask Blizz to make all gear and weapons BoA?! "Ohh i need that one item on my priest to get hitcapped .. Hmm, my mage has it.. Now i have to grind that piece on my priest while i have the perfect piece on my mage.. Seems pointless doesn't it ?" No it doesn't! It's always been like that.. The people who i'm refering to will notice similarities in what i just wrote. They're all examples of people not thinking clearly. And i'm also going to asume these same people have been arguing about Blizz taking away Valor Point vendor epics. Wich i think is the best thing they've done since TBC. Away with freebeez! You already get so much these days! You want to look like a Baws, with maxed proffesions and heroic gear? Then work for it! Quit crying how the game is becomming to much of a time hog for you to play! Can't afford the time to put in? Be glad Blizzard has thought up raidfinder for you. You still get the experience of all the raid content! You can still quest, still make a farm, still do pet battles, still do so much to keep you entertained! Just don't expect Blizzard to just hand you everything, because the simple fact is, you are just not putting in the time and effort. If you want to talk about "fairness" in WoW, just take a step back and realise that those people who do put in the effort should be rewarded as such. Stop shaming yourself by asking for easier this and that. Play how you want to play! You do have a choice! Just remember that hard work pays off. It always does. You slack in real life, you get nothing. Yet you slack in WoW but want everything? Truthfully.. To ask these questions of making things more easy.... That's the only thing that doesn't make sence to me...

I am a Blacksmith / JC how am I able to gain these Motes and Spirits of harmony if I dont have a gathering profession. I use my engineer /miner (Háckenslash) to gather my ore for me does this mean I will never be able to get this new resource ?

Spirits of Harmony are Bound on Pickup. Now can anyone clarify wether Motes of Harmony are as well?

I am so glad this game evolves in a direction where lives of gold farmers will be (hopefully) more and more difficult.
Note that by having more BoP items like this more ppl will be there simply playing in the world - which in turn means things will get real interesting and messy on PvP servers:)

Wow never will be the same like in those vanilla times those where the best , blizz give us back vanilla !!!

BoA would be nice in that one can play the preferred character while still being able to skill crafting with other characters who do not get played all that much.

whole reason to have BoP mats is really simple... to cut boting and bloody gold sellers.... well done blizz.. its says that Motes will be droping from all lootable means, so you play, you loot you craft :)
nice move.

dont listen to this pathetic people, they want it boa because they are bot users or simply lazy, bop is good, keep it this way.

Spirit of harmony in BoP form seriously messes up my inner harmony. Make it BoA or keep it!

BoA please Blizz.

I've Always loved professions and gathering mats, except for the cooking dailies making it take forever for me to learn the recipes I want and need to learn for my raiding me being the main chef.

If the Spirit of Harmony can be gathered in unlimited amounts and easily gathered and useable without limit I'd be okay with them being BoP.
Still BoA would be better due to players being given a choice of what character to play on and not being forced to just chose the one with the right profession.

I live by the rules of life that is something isn't broken then don't fix it (yes I'm an engineer irl).
Personally being an vanilla player I have had very mix feelings about this up coming expansion MoP or (kiddy WoW as I've seen it being called), to me wow has always been the challenge of lvling and gearing you're char, now it seems like everything is being handed to you on a plate.
I would like this see this new mat come in but at the same time is it really needed? Professions have remained the same since vanilla with few differences between vanilla to TBC to Lich and currently to Cata. So why change it now?

I would personally like to see these BOA rather than BOP. The reason being that if I'm "gathering" (cough farming cough) on my main I'm not getting anything done elsewhere. If these were BOA I could swap between mains/alts and continue questing, dungeon running, etc and still be collecting at least some materials I need. Rather than having to "gather" on my main and then "gather" again on my alts to make different crafted items for different professions.

Would it be so bad to say "Damn, I'm 1 short to make this item - I know, I'll log over to my hunter and send it over"? Personally, I think not. The alternative is having to go and grind that missing piece whilst I know I have a perfectly good one on another character. Seems kinda annoying and pointless.

If they were BOA people would still be "out in the world gathering" just on their preferred character, instead of being forced to do it on the one they must.

TLDR:
BoP = No thanks
BoA = Yes please

I like crafting in wow so I expect to be out there 'in the world' for mats. However, it seems a little odd that Blizzard (the luscious Ghostcrawler, in fact) stated one of the reasons to make mounts, pets, achievements BoA was so that it didn't stop players playing alts who didn't have them. Whereas this may well stop players playing, well, the way they want to.
Odd, as I said.

"While not every profession will get equal value out of them, most everyone will need to collect them for one reason or another."

Most everyone? Almost by any chance?

"we want crafters to be out in the world adventuring..."
Lesson one cater, never try to force feed.
I wish people stop pray to spreadsheets and look with empathy , what would they like , not how can we make it that... blahblah ..
I think overall B/A is doing much better than before with a little more empathy this game can even get over 12 million subs again ,more focus on how we keep them aboard than the little peanut cash grabs that are lower life expectations because you make your customers alienated and grumpy for a amount of cash that is not even worth a piece of candy if you compare it to long term sales...

At the very least I think they should make the motes etc. BOA. Because now we are using 1 resource to level all professions so doing this with all your alts will be a royal pain. So it would nice for your main, once he has capped his professions, to actually have some other use for the SoH - Give it to your alts. I find myself having less and less time these days to farm and do random stuff in WoW so it would have been nice to be able to use my main to supply alts with mats that they need.

And I think its a little ret@rded of Blizzard to kinda 'force' people into the world to farm goods. We paid for the game and every month that we play so we should have the right to play the game how we please. If people wana spend their lives leaching off the AH then thats their choice. If people love farming and in doing to making gold then let them. But now Blizzard is forcing people to farm if they wana get anywhere and whats worse we cant even make gold off the hard work. So do I support this idea.... Not really. But it wont stop me playing wow. All it will do is most likely drop more alts because now not only do I need to grind rep and dailies but now I have to grind for stup!d Spirit of blabla.