Topic (Sticky) 25 Man Tier 11 Raid Progress
I remember when LootFTW came on Kor'gall, i was happy that our server got high ranked guild finally and moved Kor'gall from some backwater server list. This has not changed. I personally don't judge an entire guild by some individuals. If i did that i would probably leave SuZa or any other guild long time ago.
I still recognize 25 man progress as an worthy achievement and there's no dilemma about it. Gratz to you guys on progress so far. Same goes for Ronin. I know there are some imba players and really decent guys in your ranks that despise this kind of trolling and bashing.
SuZa did not have many server firsts in the past and blame is on us, not the game or community. We do struggle with recruitment since we are Croatian only guild so income of really good players is limited.
In Cataclysm we decided to go with 10 man only approach and we stand by that decision. For our personal reasons it was the best choice.
What i do ask of some of you is to take some perspective on it. 10 man raiding is not the same as in WOTLK. It's not the same as on Cata beta and it's not the same if you already raid in 25 man. Number of classes and diversity of gear you get on 25 man is much larger then on 10. If you would then take on 10 man you would have a different story completely.
Since we only raid 10 man we have limited gear improvements and limited choice of classes. Encounters are currently made in the way that you need to stack certain classes to be able to down bosses. Same goes for 25 ofc, but shear number of choices is greater.
This does not diminish 25 man as itself but it does present a big problem for 10 man only guilds. No wonder best 10 man guild in the world is at 5/13HC atm. I highly doubt they suck.
I really want to emphasize 10 man only. There is no need or point to compare it to 25 only or to 25+10 progress. They are very different and are all worthy of notice.
You have great progress as an 25 man guild, we have as an 10 man. Gz to all of us!
Those who diminish value of any of those are clearly not at their right mind or have not experienced them in right manner. Guessing or predicting that something is true or false was never smart or valid in my book.
And as one guy said:
"I run 10mans because the last time I was in a 25man team I felt good in was 3.1, Ulduar. When that team fell apart due to people quitting because of reasons of their own, I've found myself in 25man teams where I despised more than half of the people I raided with and it's no fun raiding if you constantly feel the urge to strangle your fellow raiders.
So I now raid 10man with a small group of people I feel good around, who raided 10man strict in WotLK, and still got to heroic Arthas when the buff was about 15%, while raiding 2 nights for 4 hours a week only. So there's no question about quality there I'd assume.
And since Cata made it possible to accomplish everything that's accomplisheable on 10man, I'll stick with 10mans. Whether they are easier or harder, whether they award more loot or less.
I'll stick with 10mans since, for the first time since the end of Ulduar, I feel good in the team I am in."
Choice is a choice.
Gz to all with great progress. Don't %*@% on each other for your personal misguided reasons. You will only crap on yourself in eyes of others. Keep this topic for 25 man progress and make one for 10 man if it's even needed. There are some nice sites that track all that if someone is interested and guess what, there's no drama on them :)
Just my 2 cents.
This is pathetic, leave all this bullcrap out, you're arguing about what's harder in a game
I laughed when I read this seriously. This is comming from a guild that take days off from work in order to make progress in a game?? It's just a game guys relax do not take all things in moderation, yeah even wow and even progress.
Edited by Órzo on 29/01/11 13:04 (GMT)
i rofl'd hard when i read that, i raid 2-3 nights a week from 8pm-12pm on normal days, i havent even started raiding until THIS month, and here you are saying i take time off from work blahblahblah? lol shooooo noob. get your facts right before you post - and take the time out to post on your main also.
Maybe you misread my post or something, I didn't say anything about you personaly, I clearly stated that "This is comming from a guild", so I fail to understand why you feel personaly offended by that. Said that, maybe I'm wrong but Loot FTW have done early start raids and it has been asked from the raiders to take off day/s from work to attend raids, maybe I am wrong but this is what some friends of mine told me, friends who obviously are/have been in Loot FTW before.
Edited by Toumari on 29/01/11 21:58 (GMT)
Said that, maybe I'm wrong but Loot FTW have done early start raids and it has been asked from the raiders to take off day/s from work to attend raids, maybe I am wrong but this is what some friends of mine told me, friends who obviously are/have been in Loot FTW before.
You can tell your friend(s) that they are misinformed then, as we haven't had a single early start raid in this expansion. There was one raid which was an exception, but this was a Sunday raid which wouldn't affect work/school.
I don't recall at any point anyone being told to take time off work/school either.