Topic PvP vs Ganking
Azriyel
Outland
Azriyel
90 Night Elf Death Knight
14010
And this is a WAR game
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not exactly, but given that...
war has rules of honor and ethics: ever heard of war crimes?


The Alliance held Southshore which rightly belongs to the undead for far too long. They continue to hold the city of Gilneas, which similarly belongs to the undead. They massacred camp Taurajo, too. All of these are war crimes, indeed.

:-)


Undercity actually was and is alliance city... your claim is wrong from its very core.
Zakkar
Darkspear
Zakkar
18 Troll Hunter
10735
Edited by Zakkar on 31/07/12 08:05 (BST)
31/07/2012 03:58Posted by Azriyel
Undercity actually was and is alliance city... your claim is wrong from its very core.


The Forsaken were humans when they were alive. Now that they are undead, they arguably have rights to everything humans possess or have possessed. You obviously disagree, but who cares, we'll take everything that rightfully belongs to our allies by force.
Нишапур
Howling Fjord
Нишапур
85 Human Priest
5105
For a brief moment I thought I was reading the Story forum. All this lore talk caught me off guard.

OT, but Zakkar, do you by any chance play on Blackscar? It sounds like the type of realm you'd prefer, and I'm Alliance there!
Zakkar
Darkspear
Zakkar
18 Troll Hunter
10735
31/07/2012 08:31Posted by Нишапур
OT, but Zakkar, do you by any chance play on Blackscar? It sounds like the type of realm you'd prefer, and I'm Alliance there!


I do. :-)
Машаприст
Blackscar
Машаприст
85 Human Priest
7020
31/07/2012 14:13Posted by Zakkar
OT, but Zakkar, do you by any chance play on Blackscar? It sounds like the type of realm you'd prefer, and I'm Alliance there!


I do. :-)

Do /wave at me next time you see me in Dalaran. ^_^
Thearena
Defias Brotherhood
Thearena
90 Draenei Paladin
9765
pvp ≠ ganking

ganking = pvp

ganking is part of pvp, and is therefore a part of pvp servers

deal with it
Bankstain
Outland
Bankstain
1 Orc Hunter
0
Sick to death of people rolling on a pvp realm then coming here to complain that they dont like dying and they want to change the way pvp realms work.

Look sod off to pve realms why should we have to suffer a change to our realms just because some one cant cope with dying a few times and no we dont think you should be able to choose whether you are pvping in a zone or not nor whether a max level char can kill you. live with it we have and we know how frustrating it is but we dont want it any other way.

The 'Oh but I want to level and its unfair that guy killed me loads of times he is griefing me QQ' mob should be forced to play pve realms only.
Bankstain
Outland
Bankstain
1 Orc Hunter
0
pvp bracketing - like the random battlegrounds.

simply put, you can only attack people in a 5 level range of yourself

a simple "you may not attack that player" message when you try to attack someone outside that bracket would suffice.
make it like the pvp flag - switch-able so you can enable/disable it

should be enough to satisfy the people who feel a need for it?


No, simply put the system is fine as it is, cant cope go to a pve realm why do you feel you have the right to change a 7 year old system just because you want to pvp but only on your terms. Either pvp or dont there is no gay half way house.
Penolope
Frostwhisper
Penolope
70 Human Warrior
13665
pvp bracketing - like the random battlegrounds.

simply put, you can only attack people in a 5 level range of yourself

a simple "you may not attack that player" message when you try to attack someone outside that bracket would suffice.
make it like the pvp flag - switch-able so you can enable/disable it

should be enough to satisfy the people who feel a need for it?


No, simply put the system is fine as it is, cant cope go to a pve realm why do you feel you have the right to change a 7 year old system just because you want to pvp but only on your terms. Either pvp or dont there is no gay half way house.


yet your example is invalid since only baddies run of to stv to gank lowbies, but i guess it illustrates you
Vjnzen
Das Syndikat
Vjnzen
90 Human Paladin
15635

yet your example is invalid since only baddies run of to stv to gank lowbies, but i guess it illustrates you


^this

I have yet to see a really good PvPer going out of his way to kill lowbies and not getting bored after about 30 Minutes.

And i love how every one of the "Pro "World"-PvPers" have besides honor kills nothing to indicate that they are good PvPers. How's that? Oh wait, i know! Because they're bad.
thanx bye bads
Dax
Boulderfist
Dax
90 Human Paladin
7765

yet your example is invalid since only baddies run of to stv to gank lowbies, but i guess it illustrates you


^this

I have yet to see a really good PvPer going out of his way to kill lowbies and not getting bored after about 30 Minutes.

And i love how every one of the "Pro "World"-PvPers" have besides honor kills nothing to indicate that they are good PvPers. How's that? Oh wait, i know! Because they're bad.
thanx bye bads


what would indicate to you that someone is good? mind you that this is not the arena rbg forum so no need bringing up that since that's a compeletely different scene
Нишапур
Blackscar
Нишапур
90 Draenei Priest
9865
03/08/2012 15:54Posted by Dax
what would indicate to you that someone is good? mind you that this is not the arena rbg forum so no need bringing up that since that's a compeletely different scene

Something along the lines of Battlemaster achiev, or a high amount of HK spread evenly across the battlegrounds, with no history of botting. Just my 2 cents, I'm not the one you were arguing with.
Dax
Boulderfist
Dax
90 Human Paladin
7765
seems alot of people expect world pvp to have 2 teams fully prepared to do battle.. it's not.. that is what battlegrounds and arenas are for...

without ganking world pvp would'nt exist because that's pretty much how you get it started
Dax
Boulderfist
Dax
90 Human Paladin
7765
03/08/2012 16:02Posted by Нишапур
what would indicate to you that someone is good? mind you that this is not the arena rbg forum so no need bringing up that since that's a compeletely different scene

Something along the lines of Battlemaster achiev, or a high amount of HK spread evenly across the battlegrounds, with no history of botting. Just my 2 cents, I'm not the one you were arguing with.


and you where not the one the question was intended for :P
Нишапур
Blackscar
Нишапур
90 Draenei Priest
9865
03/08/2012 16:06Posted by Dax

Something along the lines of Battlemaster achiev, or a high amount of HK spread evenly across the battlegrounds, with no history of botting. Just my 2 cents, I'm not the one you were arguing with.


and you where not the one the question was intended for :P

Well, I guess I just ruined your little conversation huh.
Ny
Burning Steppes
Ny
29 Gnome Mage
640
Edited by Ny on 03/08/12 19:14 (BST)
03/08/2012 14:16Posted by Vjnzen
I have yet to see a really good PvPer going out of his way to kill lowbies and not getting bored after about 30 Minutes.

Same here, so why all this whine about hours of corpse-camping when it simply ain't true?

And i love how every one of the "Pro "World"-PvPers" have besides honor kills nothing to indicate that they are good PvPers. How's that? Oh wait, i know! Because they're bad.
thanx bye bads

What are you on about? All the *good* PvPers I know don't mind world PvP at all, in fact, they all seem(ed) to love it.

I mostly played on Deathwing, but during season 3 I played on Stormscale, and you can be sure that GRAMMERPOLICE, Zombies, DOOM SQUAD, etc. would kill anything red on sight when they did daily quests, waited for arena or whatever. I personally got wtfpwned several times by GPs 5v5 team full of merciless gladiators while doing some daily quest alone on Isle of Quel'Danas. I think they did their quests and then cleaned the island a few times before moving on.

And that's how it should be tbh. If you can't do it yourself, bring some friends, wait it out or go somewhere else, you have plenty of options. World PvP isn't fair and if you can't handle that, you should do your quests and queue for your arenas and battlegrounds from a normal realm like a normal person, instead of making childish assumptions about those of us who likes to PvP in the open.

Believe it or not, I rarely attack lower level players unless they attack first or come in a big group or something like that. But I always expect any red name(s) I see to come thundering right at me and prepare accordingly instead of whining afterwards.

I've PvPed a lot from vanilla through wrath and the one thing that is most likely to get you killed in the open, is to play on low health. Your average world player is an opportunistic bastard who will jump you if she thinks you're no threat. If you start preparing and adjust your position ASAP, the average player will have second thoughts about an attack, and in any event, you're ready for battle. This means you do big pulls at your own peril on a PvP realm.

The second most likely thing to get you killed (and the one that is the cause of most grudge corpse-camping) is killing someone's low level alt. I know a ton of people who simply don't get this: they explode in rage when someone 10 levels higher one-shots their peewee characters (or their main at 10% hp), but they happily one-shot random red by-passers more often than not.

Ever heard the phrase "[faction] always gank" used to justify a kill on someone who was completely defenseless due to low level or health?
Astrobiology
Dragonblight
Astrobiology
90 Tauren Druid
8270
@Ekosou

That is a really good idea TBH

I find that fun and to believe or not very hard. Which I believe is a good thing for wow, That means only the Strong will Survive and hopefully not have people who pvp with pve gear.
Andokai
Lightbringer
Andokai
90 Blood Elf Paladin
7630
21/07/2012 09:27Posted by Zakkar
people don't mind PvP, they mind being ganked.

Nobody cares if a couple of pussies have a problem with it.


because a LvL85 killing a LvL40 in one hit then camping and ganking him for hours just because their brain lacks oxigen = PvP right ??

seems to me the ones having the massive upperhand ( we are NOT talking about equal level and roughly equal gear here ) are the real pussies tbh.

they can not win against a fair opponent in either BG's or duals/WPvP so they gank lowbies ( and pref of at least 20 lvls lower ) in order to feel "skilled".

now i'm not claiming to be a good PvP player , and i do kill a lowbie if he is PvP flagged ( i'm on a PvE server ) once .... but one time is enough and hell i might even help the poor guy out afterwards if it comes to that.
Olimpija
Outland
Olimpija
90 Gnome Rogue
9340
8 pages of this ?!?!

GANKING is part of the WPvP/PvP, deal with it. I dont see a level of a player i see RED ! RED = DEAD

I even attacked ( when im leveling or leveled a toon ) a higher lever player just coz he is the enemy, even if i lost i showed my passion..my honour to my faction.

Reroll PVE realm if that burden is too much to handle

And pls dont start with " you are rouge " i just posted on this char, i do the same with all my other 5 85s

Cheers
Phalhunt
Agamaggan
Phalhunt
90 Orc Hunter
5895
nah we wont start with the you are rouge.... just now we get 8 pages of you are rogue :P

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