Topic (Sticky) Cataclysm PvE Progression Thread (10/25)
Found this thread and decided to post our kills too!
The Order Of The Muffin has killed (10m normal):
Bastion of Twilight
Halfus Wyrmbreaker (23.1)
Valiona and Theralion (23.1)
Omnotron Defense System (16.1)
87 Night Elf Rogue
Edited by Foxtail on 26/01/11 07:31 (GMT)
Whoever said 10 man is the same dificulty as 25 man... Is completly wrong.
10 man IS and will always be easier than 25 no matter what Blizzard or whatever someone says.
A lot of the PvE doesn't come directly from the encounter itself, there's a lot of background on it, recruitment, role management, raid management, attendance, skill, and so on, so on... And all that background is going to reflect on progress, and there's no doubt there's much more consideration for who has a bigger control (25 over 10) of that background when you talk about Progress and Top Progress. Ofcourse everyone could raid on 10man, but why don't they? Simply because it's much more challenging and competitive to do it on 25 man, not only for the encounter itself but because of all the background surrounding it, and which made it possible.
There can be no comparison from 10 to 25 man progress. Top Progress competitivity is and will always be in the highest possible number of players in a raid (40 (RIP) / 25) due to the organization, work and management behind the game interface.
Ofcourse you should raid on 10 man if you don't have time (I support shared 10/25 loot) for it like others do, but please don't compare its challenge and dificulty level.
And even, inside the game. 25 Man will keep its point of dificulty higher than 10 Man. Whoever speaks in "error fixers", "carried players" and the infamous "Ah.. In 25 man you have much more 'room' for mistakes" is terribly wrong, or never raided on 25 man correctly. And I speak for my own experience, that in 25 man, every player is connected just like in 10 man, one error is going to sometimes more than others directly/criticaly affect the whole raid, 1 Less healer in a group for example can be the reason for a full wipe... 1 Less tank... 1 Less DPS who is supposed to kill an add. The whole thing won't work sometimes due to 1 man. And even so, there's a lot of errors and mistakes you simple CANNOT recover from that with a ress or 1 less DPS, like for example 1 player wiping the whole or half the raid with a single mistake like a shock, or a movement issue, or lots of other reasons due to the concentration/coordenation of a bigger number of people in a room, and that is one of the many reasons, that'll make 25 much more challenging and competitive than 10 man, and denying and ignoring those facts, that are easly proven in countless numbers and logs, is just ignorant and noncohesive.
(Or, like in many cases, you're just a prick, high on 10 man progress who denies those facts simply to equalize and compare yourself to other high end progress guilds/players and progression... Yeah well, we're not dumb if you think that way. There's a reason for those extra Valor Points on 25 man...)
Edited by Jec on 28/01/11 11:44 (GMT)
Gz to PM, keep up the good work!
AND finally, yes FINALLY did Ascendant Council go down in 25man after many wipes on 1-2%!
-Ascendant Council 27.01.2011 22:55
EDIT: Seriously! I checked wowprogress, and they state that we are the second guild on the server to kill Ascendant Council. And they update pretty fast, so its kinda weird it says 3 other guilds have also killed them in 25man when thats not clearely true.
@Jec - im not using Wow-progress as point of reference anymore i only used it to open this thread, the reason being is that its not accurate anymore, my guild killed 10/12 in 25m and it only shows 4/12
proof - http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/67700/ - check the dates i posted my guilds 25m kills, and u can see from WoL that is true.
Also i counting on everyone to be honest about their kills as i no longer use Wow-Progress as main reference point due to its inaccuracies.
Hope it clarifies your doubts.
Updated all the rest of the kills.
PS: gonna add Realm last kills and Abyss kills but with ???? instead cause they didnt supplied dates, bur please try to supply dates from now on