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As assassination rogue Im very satisfied with my PvE capablity, I provide my raid the 8% spell dmg buff, 12% armor reduction when using paladin/DK tanks and very competitive DPS

But at times keeping the rotation just gets overwhelmingly random due to all RNG from seal of fate, venomous wounds, ruthlessness, relentless strikes not proccing when using 4 CB finishers and dodges.

between every rupture, you've got basicly 18/20 seconds to deliver as many envenoms as possible while allowing the envenom buff run its duration.

this ranges between being able to deliver 1 envenom during the rupture without having rupture down time, into pulling 3 envenoms (even 4 while overkill is up) during that 1 rupture. At times Im even forced to pull 2-3 CB envenoms just to make sure my Slice and dice doesnt drop.




problem parts here are

CB generation from seal of fate
- well this will get fixed overtime as the crit %s goes up

CB generation from ruthlessness
- this makes or breaks your cycle often, should be more reliable tbh

Energy from venomous wounds
- You might be either energy starved or you might be having trouble not overriding your envenom buff

Energy from Relentless strikes
- Well this is quite reliable really, 80/100% chance, rarely fails. perfectly bearable

Dodged abilities
- Takes up an GCD, can cost you rupture up time or even cause the Slice and Dice to drop. Currently I dont see reason to stack expertise as when envenom is being dodged you still gain the full envenom buff = 5 seconds of envenom buff 0 Combo points and barely no energy, not a bad deal I quess but is this really intended?



Suggested Fixes:
- Ruthlessness - this ability should be 100% reliable or not exist at all
- Rework envenom to not provide the envenom buff when being dodged. Gaining Dmg from envenom getting dodged doesnt really seem intended in first place. This would make expertise more worthwhile stat for assassination aswell.

Venomous wounds might be little trickier to rework, just making it 100% proc with reduced dmg could do the trick, but not sure how that'd work out later on when haste kicks in.



Obviously the rotation will get more manageable as gear progresses on and we start actually gaining more haste and crit, But from my expierience these talents could use less random and more reliablity. Reducing the RNG on the rotation would make rogues a lot more enjoyable class to play.


just my thoughts about assassination PvE


(oh and another little thing; could the Improved expose armor be moved to tier 4 or even made baseline? assassination tier 5 is wee bit bloated if you're going to pick expose armor, thanks)

04/01/2011 4:57 AMPosted by Higure

CB generation from ruthlessness
- this makes or breaks your cycle often, should be more reliable tbh

...No, it doesn't? It's just usually the difference between 1 or 2 mutilates.

04/01/2011 4:57 AMPosted by Higure

Energy from venomous wounds
- You might be either energy starved or you might be having trouble not overriding your envenom buff

Adapting to RNG like this is what makes a decent rogue.

Dodged abilities
- Takes up an GCD, can cost you rupture up time or even cause the Slice and Dice to drop. Currently I dont see reason to stack expertise as when envenom is being dodged you still gain the full envenom buff = 5 seconds of envenom buff 0 Combo points and barely no energy, not a bad deal I quess but is this really intended?

If you feel that your cycle is too unstable, feel free to get more expertise. Most of the time the gained envenom buff will just be overwritten immediately as you'll risk energy capping soon.

04/01/2011 4:57 AMPosted by Higure

Suggested Fixes:
- Ruthlessness - this ability should be 100% reliable or not exist at all

Oh le noes, away with all that RNG. Boo hoo and so on.

04/01/2011 4:57 AMPosted by Higure

Rework envenom to not provide the envenom buff when being dodged. Gaining Dmg from envenom getting dodged doesnt really seem intended in first place. This would make expertise more worthwhile stat for assassination aswell.

Envenom has worked like that for ages, and as said it honestly would not make expertise better than mastery or haste.

04/01/2011 4:57 AMPosted by Higure

(oh and another little thing; could the Improved expose armor be moved to tier 4 or even made baseline? assassination tier 5 is wee bit bloated if you're going to pick expose armor, thanks)

Think most rogues agree with this, who knows why they don't just move it to tier 4. :p Might be that they want us to sacrifice a DPS talent for it but IDK.

04/01/2011 4:57 AMPosted by Higure

At times Im even forced to pull 2-3 CB envenoms just to make sure my Slice and dice doesnt drop.

This happens to most Rogues when their crit percentage is low. I know guides state that you should ALWAYS go for a 4+ CP Envenom, but personally I'd rather do a 2-3+ Evenom in order to keep up SnD and having a steady Rupture uptime.

In the current gear state I think most Rogues have nearly 100% SnD uptime on most fights but I'm also fairly sure that a lot of Rogues drop their Rupture a couple of times :).

All of this will improve as we battle through tiers of content and getting better gear.

Z.

I would indeed want to see less RNG.

The whole assassination model is bollocks tbh. They wanna reduce passive dmg but it feels like its hardly changed. They have added more RNG and more ramp up through needing rupture up in order to have a similar energy regen as we used to. Several times i feel energy starved whilst at other times i feel like i have infinite energy.

A big change i would like to see is deadly poison reduced to 3 stacks that would help massively with the ramp up issues that we have.

Don't see a problem, sorry, I prefer having to think what to do when I need to do it :(