Topic [Guide] Enhancement Shaman PvP for beginners and others
Shammiard
Burning Legion
Shammiard
85 Orc Shaman
2995
29/12/2011 17:01Posted by Gradinen
Ehm.. How do you keeel Blood dk's xD? Great guide over all. Ty for all the macros.

Don't go 1 vs 1.Find another caster teammate slow/root him and use lava burst LB adn every shock in your arsenal.I love the fact that enhancement has pretty good range damage.
Angewaire
Nagrand
Angewaire
85 Dwarf Shaman
4780
Does anyone made some calc with how many mastery can enh have with full Ruthless gear?
Totemistic
Burning Steppes
Totemistic
85 Draenei Shaman
5205
02/02/2012 09:20Posted by Shammiard
Ehm.. How do you keeel Blood dk's xD? Great guide over all. Ty for all the macros.

Don't go 1 vs 1.Find another caster teammate slow/root him and use lava burst LB adn every shock in your arsenal.I love the fact that enhancement has pretty good range damage.

Enhancement can easily beat any blood dk. At solo fights only hunter rogue and feral are the problem for enh shaman and if you respec for solo(focused insight and nature's guardian) then you can beat them too. Atm enhancement is one the best pvp class at solo fights. I dont have much exp at 3v3 arena for now thats why I cant talk much about it.
Prokrustis
Doomhammer
Prokrustis
85 Undead Death Knight
10100
what about expertise guys??? we beed any? how much etc.
that tread is awesome,it helped my too much.
Masztaar
Frostwhisper
Masztaar
90 Tauren Shaman
14740
02/02/2012 09:20Posted by Shammiard
Ehm.. How do you keeel Blood dk's xD? Great guide over all. Ty for all the macros.

Don't go 1 vs 1.Find another caster teammate slow/root him and use lava burst LB adn every shock in your arsenal.I love the fact that enhancement has pretty good range damage.


I don't know how you play but I outdps any Blood DK that i face in 1v1. Running away from them will most likely make players look really stupid as they die with no mana left. This is not good advice.
Masztaar
Frostwhisper
Masztaar
90 Tauren Shaman
14740
29/12/2011 23:30Posted by Intsanius
Ehm.. How do you keeel Blood dk's xD? Great guide over all. Ty for all the macros.


You won't. All melees struggle with Blood DKs, we do twice more.

- They outheal Enha thousand times
- They outdamage and outburst Enha (even if they did not have that crazy healing and tanking abilities/stats, it is really "funny" we as an offensive dps are outdamaged by a tank so significantly..)

The only thing you can do is kite them, but it won't do much anyway, as we have too limited spells against them even with our arsenal, and when they come close, we are dead.

In BGs I do not really recommend facing them alone, it is impossible to kill them, I would not even go for a 2v1 fight if I were you...just root/slow them and run until you find larger group against them.

In Arenas you either root/slow them and hope your RANGED partner kills them while you are Frost/Flame Shocking them, or you just call it..never face them on melee, as they will heal to full from you, and you would boost their dmg (Vengeance) hitting them (I think).


Again, this is crap to me. I do outdps and outheal Blood DKs as a matter of fact, and my guess to why you don't is because you don't have the gear to do the same. They are definitely not impossible to kill, but they take a long time to get down, and they have been nerfed recently. The only spec that they have that is hard to beat (assuming the DK player isnt an idiot) is Unholy.

It angers me quite alot when players give eachother advice on how to play vs certain classes when the facts are not straight.
Risby
Blade's Edge
Risby
87 Draenei Shaman
7695
great guide! i really apreciate that someone would stand up and help people who have some problems with speccs like that so thank you wery much for this post! :Di am going to sticky this and i hope blizzard read this :)
Чакинатор
Ashenvale
Чакинатор
85 Troll Shaman
2160
07/01/2011 22:33Posted by Intsanius
www.wowhead.com/talent#hhbMZf0GzsbGRGo0h:aRkobr
Flaskepus
Darksorrow
Flaskepus
87 Orc Shaman
3925
just look at my spec and glyph, i'm a killer in BG's even with low gear (i hate gemming for casters doh, might need some change) this is my secondary spec just for amusement in pvp
Eldershaman
Terenas
Eldershaman
90 Orc Shaman
7050
Tbh this guide is mainly for beginners such as myself and since I only do random bgs, I will never outgear many people, so any advice on going 1v1 is helpfull...
Luhst
Steamwheedle Cartel
Luhst
85 Orc Shaman
5990
01/05/2012 19:14Posted by Eldershaman
Tbh this guide is mainly for beginners such as myself and since I only do random bgs, I will never outgear many people, so any advice on going 1v1 is helpfull...


Most Enh shaman are pro's at 1v1, if you know what you're doing ofcourse... sometimes its's very class dependant and the same with gear because you could be in full cata gear and be destroyed by a ruthless geared sub rogue (mainly because blizz buff all classes except us lol)

anyhow the trick to 1v1 is your stoneclaw totem... drop it and drop it often, dont forget to re drop your str of earth totem though. Enhance is all about who you're dueling and knowing what they are going to do... if they need to be purged then do it.. if you need to drop a totem to ground that op frost bolt then do it.

If you read up you see the same guy saying he owns blood dk's this happens to a lot of us but there will always be the one blood dk that will just not die and this is another shame on blizzards part... kiting is sometimes a good idea and make sure you get your annoying flame stacks up then whne he DG's you and trust me he will just lava lash and ss him then fs and run off again...this is effective cause you get your mana back from melee attacking him and you do damage :) you stay too close though and most likely he'll wreck you :).

I think you'll find the only classes willing to duel you are rogues and ranged classes like hunters who love to kite and rogues just love to open and then run off and leave you bleeding to death whilst slowed :). Not much you can do against these type of *cough* cowards lol but i find it helps to be persistent and your FS root helps alot with hunters.

Rogues are my only concern when dueling. I don't duel Blood DK's or healers who just try to waste my time while i'm waiting for my BG or arena to pop lol.

I'm no pro but i duel alot of different people on my realm and i'm about 50/50 for my win/loss mainly cause different people play different ways. You could duel one feral who kits and heals or one feral who relies only on his ability to pop his bear form at the right time (tip: get gladiatorlosa and when it shouts frenzied regeneration... don't hit the bad bear form druid :) hitting = rage gain = health and if you run away they cant get health and are stuck with a dumb look on their face) sorry bout that rant but i hate druids so so much.

after all that typing my last piece of advice is get to know the people you are fighting and keep at it. Get to know the different classes, play different classes and learn the abilities. If you think you're gonna lose to the guy in better gear then there is no point in fighting them :)

Good luck and have fun that's why we're all shaman at the end of the day right?
Zzaapp
Balnazzar
Zzaapp
75 Dwarf Shaman
1015
no offense but you clearly have too much free time on your hands
Maelinor
Steamwheedle Cartel
Maelinor
90 Pandaren Shaman
7980
Hey! I was only trying to help xD
Уходи
Razuvious
Уходи
85 Undead Mage
3520
FROSTBRAND OFFHAND IMBUE CHANGE:
/cast [@none] Frostbrand Weapon
/use 17
/click StaticPopup1Button1

■ FLAMETONGUE OFFHAND IMBUE CHANGE:
/cast [@none] Flametongue Weapon
/use 17
/click StaticPopup1Button1


Man, I edit your awesome macroses and merge it. So if you will use my version, you won't need two macros, look:
/castsequence reset=3 [@none] Frostbrand Weapon, Flametongue Weapon
/use 17
/click StaticPopup1Button1


So put it to hotkey and use with ONE key.

P.S. Sorry for my english :)
Masztaar
Frostwhisper
Masztaar
90 Tauren Shaman
14740
07/05/2012 05:31Posted by Luhst
If you read up you see the same guy saying he owns blood dk's this happens to a lot of us but there will always be the one blood dk that will just not die and this is another shame on blizzards part... kiting is sometimes a good idea and make sure you get your annoying flame stacks up then whne he DG's you and trust me he will just lava lash and ss him then fs and run off again...this is effective cause you get your mana back from melee attacking him and you do damage :) you stay too close though and most likely he'll wreck you :).


My point was, they don't hurt you more than you heal with MW5 procs now that we get stacks from absorbed attacks. You should be on Blood DKs like glue and keep healing yourself with MW5. They are tough and slow to kill, but if you keep your heals up then you are home free. Running away from them will have the opposite effect, as you won't be able to heal as often and you will have to waste mana on doing it - wich will most likely end on him outlasting you.
Conquístador
Stormscale
Conquístador
85 Tauren Shaman
3395
I'd recommend not doing 2v2s as enhancement, rather go 3v3
Malveera
Argent Dawn
Malveera
90 Draenei Shaman
8060
Came for the guide, stayed for the guide.... and maybe a bit for the trolls, but who knows!
I learned a lot from this, so you have my deepest gratitude for taking your time to write this guide, even though it's 1.5 years old by now!

Took me about 2 hours to read through, cause I needed to make sure of every detail (I'm very picky, so I do some background-research as well! xD). But in the end... I feel now more enlightened than ever... I've played my shaman for soon half a year, and just now decided to give it a nudge with PvP.

Once again, thank you very much for the guide. Bookmarked and prone for a new readthrough, when I wake up again (It's 4AM here!).

You're baws <3
Cordura
Outland
Cordura
84 Dwarf Shaman
915
Good Evening fellow Shamans.

First of all very nice guide and I learned alot from it. But still have some info questions, just for my own clarification that im doing it rigth. My main spec is resto ( thats why i still have some gear with intelect on it, didnt like ele spec so i chooce Enha later and i find it very fun )

I just wanna make sure my opener is correct. Ofc first i drop totems, then i use Stormstrike, Lava Lash and FS, usually mob dies before SS come out of CD. Is this the right way to go, i meen SS, LL, and then keep FS on the target? ofc with CCs and stuff i have to control the target. Also i know some more abilities are about to come when i hit higher leveles.

And also if any1 has some more trick and tips for newformed shaman, please share it.

Thank you all in advance for your answers.
Itaria
Terokkar
Itaria
85 Human Death Knight
1600
Edited by Itaria on 12/08/12 16:08 (BST)
Totems, FS, Storm..When SF build up use LL and target is dead.
Cordura
Outland
Cordura
84 Dwarf Shaman
915
12/08/2012 16:05Posted by Itaria
Totems, FS, Storm..When SF build up use LL and target is dead.


Thanks

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