Just wondering if any one else gets tanks that think they own the game... most of them are alright...
just the other day i has 5 in one day that moaned like a b**ch because i got feared into a group and said" why did you do that your sh*t" i said it wasnt my fault calmly and my mate agreed but he voted to kick me and the rest accepted, now in my opinion this is wrong? unless some one can tell me im missing something and this was infact my fault?
Unfortunately if you group with strangers via the Dungeon Finder you will eventually meet people who are, to put it gently, not very nice.
For this specific situation: As a paladin, you could possibly avoid being feared into another group with a quick use of Divine Shield which would remove the fear. However you'd have to be quick or experienced to do this in time (plus it has to be up and you have to not have the Forebearance debuff etc) and personally, I'd be impressed if you were quick enough as a new player. It's something to bear in mind for the future though =).
Was it your fault? Well, you could maybe have prevented it, but that doesn't make it solely your fault. For example, if there are mobs which cast fear and you are dangerously near to other groups then the pull could have been handled differently - by pulling them back to a safe spot before engaging. I certainly don't think you deserve the sole blame for the wipe (if you wiped?). There's five people in the group after all - it's not productive to play the blame game for a wipe of this kind which could happen to anybody, especially a new player.
That said, when things go wrong, some people like to get their accusation in first before anybody else has the chance to accuse them in turn. You can try to defuse it by pre-emptively saying something like 'sorry about that, I got feared into the adds - it won't happen again' but not everybody will respond to that. You just have to roll with the punches sometimes. It sucks, but there you go.
Edited by Kugelblitz on 12/01/11 17:08 (GMT)
Number one issue with this game: People are %%@!@!@s.
Sorry to hear that, most tanks I've done dungeons and heroics with have been understanding, although there is always exceptions. I think you will notice that at higher levels players are more, well, nice.
Try not to take it personally, is my best advice.
About the vote kick: only 3 out of the 5 need to vote yes, so your friend might have said no and it passed anyway. Also, a lot of people tend to click yes without ever reading what they're clicking on.
You could have used Divine Shield or Hand of Freedom (that still works while feared, right?) and may have been too close to the other group to begin with. However, it most likely wasn't all your fault.
At your level, you will run into a lot of powerlevellers and people who have joined dungeons for no other reason than to get to the next level as quickly as possible. If anyone causes that to slow down for any reason, there is rage. There tends to be a lot of blame thrown around.
No one is a perfect player, and no one deserves to get raged at or kicked for something small. But it happens, and all you can do is learn from it, shrug it off and move on.
Tanks usually get snappy at smalls things , usually when something goes wrong everybody blames the tank or healer . So im pretty sure that he has had just as much grief from other people , try not to let it get to you.
This kind of thing happens, but hopefully not too regularly. One of the problems with this game is we tend to forget when everything is going fine and the only stand outs are when we screw up badly, or as in this case, we meet an asshat.
Honestly shrug it off, it's possible your mate didn't vote to kick you (if three of them voted, that's enough). Everyone is happy to blame everyone else, and just console yourself that it'll be someone else next time. ALWAYS put these muppets on ignore though, so you never meet them again.
This happen'd to me once expect for i did not get kicked, lucky me.
Some times you can hit spells that will stop the problem, but in my case i was fear'd 3 times in a row and you can't aways have a cooldown ready.
So its not your fault and should not have been kick'd for it, new players also make mirstakes etc we are only human.
I say to people its only game and have fun and laugh when something silly like that happens, but sadly world of warcraft is fill'd with bullys who think they are "skilled" at a video game (lame and no lives ;)).
Its sad to know that the GM's them selfs are useless and powerless to stop bullys, they only ever give the same answer or a crap answer.
If the Gm's would just look at the forums they will see many abuse threads in the last few days.
I have actually been fairly lucky with the LFG system (I have only been kicked twice and one of those was caused by the cat jumping onto the keyboard in a boss fight - I'd have kicked me for that!) but one thing I have noticed is that if it is the tank that initiates the "kick" and people don't go along with it, the tank often rages and leaves and the group ends up with a 20 minute wait for a new one. I really think that some people often just say yes as it is an easier life to keep the tank happy and wait a couple of mins for a new dps.
I should add that I am not one of these people, I will always say no if I think the "kicker" is being an idiot!
Basically, there are many reasons for a kick - don't let it bother you. Sign up again, move on and have another go. Take any advice that was offered with you if it was useful.
As the newcomer forum, its not really the place to lash out a class like they are some kind of sterotype, which they are not. The player was the problem here. I will focus on two things, what could you have done, and how to make it easier to stop this happening again.
This pulling through fear thing used to happen a lot in Halls of Lightening, but to be fair, a GOOD tank will position themselves or the mobs or both to minimise this threat. The fact that (I assume) you were meleeing alongside the tank, and ran into a group of mobs means his position must have been dangerously close to another pack.
You could have stopped it by dropping divine shield, and then cancelling it immediatly (you lose a lot of damage output with this shield up). As opposed to dragging just divine shield onto your action bar, make a macro along the following lines
/cancelaura Divine Shield
/cast Divine Shield
and drag THIS onto the tool bar. What this basically does is on the first press, cast Divine shield, and (if required) on the second press drops it immediatly. This will break ANY loss of control debuff.
I dont think HoF can be cast when feared as this is a loss of control as opposed to movement impariing, but I could be wrong as I have honestly never tried. I am usually in full PvP gear most of the time these days, and have my trinket always ready, and when tanking I generally
position mobs so a little fear is not an issue.
Very bad luck on the kick, shame so many players take this SO seriously and cant laugh at a simple mistake that was not really any one persons 'fault'.
Good luck with future groups!
85 Tauren Paladin
Certain players roll Tanks because of the sense of power in a Dungeon Finder group. They're in very short supply and dps can wait 20+ Minutes when a Tank gets a queue in maybe 10 seconds at most.
For whatever reason, some Tanks do not like seeing bad stuff happen. They may not like Tanking but did it for the quick queues, or maybe having a bad day. Whatever the reason, any screw-ups, not matter whose fault or even if it wasn't anyone's fault, aren't tolerated and drive the Tank into a fit of rage.
His justification? He can easily convince the rest to boot any dps causing him grief because they can requeue and get a new dps instantly. If the tank gets too angry and ragequits, you could still be in for a long wait, despite being at the front of the queue.
So no-one's going to boot the tank if he's competant as they don't want to endure waiting for a new one. So they put up with his shouting just to get the dungeon done. This is a rather unfortunate truth, you will be mad tanks, they will shout at anyone doing low dps or standing in fire and you will keep silent because if you say anything he'll votekick you out and your back to waiting forever in the queue.
My advice about how to deal with these players? To the OP, Your a Paladin. You can be the Tank and take this player out of the equation (It's totally easy as a Pally Tank too, really simple rotation). Trying to calm down the Tank with polite chat can help, but generally the mad tank cannot be sated. Votekicking him is an option but getting the other players to agree to it if he's still doing a good job is very hard.
And I really don't know where to go with this. Dealing with these kinds of Tanks kinda sucks and is more of a social issue than any kind of mechanics. My best piece of advice is... don't mess up. Mad tanks doesn't get mad over nothing.
Extremely well played, Wheighty!
This is the correct answer, and I enjoy the last sentence.
Mad tanks doesn't get mad over nothing.
It is indeed true, but I'd never let it ruin another person's day, by throwing him/her into the queue once again. I'm not hearthless! It's an MMORPG after all.
The right thing to do is to shrug and continue.
Reason you got eventually kicked can't be the ninjapull alone, I don't believe that.
Given your tone in the original post, I don't think you're as innocent as you would like us to believe. Maybe the tank was rude, who knows, but if you would've stayed calm or would've ignored him for the time being, you wouldn't have been kicked.
So for future reference, don't post anything without telling the whole story. Again, I'm pretty sure the conversation was a little different from:
/p [Tank] You messed up, you nub
You got kicked from the group
Try to keep your cool and you will be alright, or even better, when you see a dangerous pull, don't engage and stay back. That way you can't be blamed for anything and when they ask why you stayed back, you kindly explain the situation to them and suggest a different approach, thereby helping the rest of the group.
I am afraid that the only way to avoid the vast amount of primadonna-tanks are to get more people to tank... as long as tanks are so sought after, the ones we got get to pick and chose and insta-enter dungeons via LFG.
-And if they're so inclined, it's "free" for them to act as bastards. Most people hesitate before kicking the tank.