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Because priests are a melee DPS class. /Facepalm.

Why would they need to be melee dps in order to have mobility? Mobility is not only there so you can reach your target, it is also there so you can escape from the one that is chasing you, and they have no way to escape when you sit on them... very little to do there. If it is Shadow he can go into his Dispersion and think what kind of horrible death awaits him when he gets out.

All of this mobility you mention but for example, 1v1 I have no problems with DK's and Warriors, only rarely if they are really good they make threat...

I am not talking about arena here, because arena has nothing to do with Ninjas rofl, and 2v2 is surely not balanced, and ofc Warriors and Dk's will eat you if they have healer behind them...

That is beside the point. I am saying that you have reasonable counter to many classes in the game if you play smart.

14/01/2011 2:43 PMPosted by Shapedoctor

Because you can obviously get gladiator in 2s. There is also the fact they could train your dispeller and cc you. There are also physical type movement impairing effects, Freedom counters that but you would just get a stun after the freedom. Or if they CC your dispeller you are stuck in deep %@#% too. There is also the problem that you are easily gibbable gibbable, nothing a dispell will fix.

Ever heard of smokebomb or like... trying to cc the other team?

Why would they need to be melee dps in order to have mobility? Mobility is not only there so you can reach your target, it is also there so you can escape from the one that is chasing you, and they have no way to escape when you sit on them... very little to do there. If it is Shadow he can go into his Dispersion and think what kind of horrible death awaits him when he gets out.

All of this mobility you mention but for example, 1v1 I have no problems with DK's and Warriors, only rarely if they are really good they make threat...

I am not talking about arena here, because arena has nothing to do with Ninjas rofl, and 2v2 is surely not balanced, and ofc Warriors and Dk's will eat you if they have healer behind them...

That is beside the point. I am saying that you have reasonable counter to many classes in the game if you play smart.

I already stated that they do get a mobility buff. But they also don't need as much mobility as some other classes due to that they are a ranged class and they also have a lot of heals to help them through taking damage. Shadowpriest survivability isn't the top atm, but they are getting somewhat buffed, my shadowpriest arena mate is even going for the priest set bonus next patch because of how awesome it is. Also 1v1 a SP would easily outkite an Assassination rogue, using the dispersion vs cloak and then using one of their other abilities to kite away the rogue.

My point is not about 1v1 either since the game is not balanced around 1v1 duels. For PvP balance Blizzard tries to set it around the 3v3 bracket. So arena and pvp balance is relevant. You are just ignoring the facts, other classes do have better mobility than Assassination rogues, or rather, Assassination rogues have @%*% mobility. You also ignored all the issues regarding survivability.

As for the reasonable counters, they are mainly in the Subtlety tree.

My point is not about 1v1 either since the game is not balanced around 1v1 duels.

Sorry, this topic is about Ninjas, and has nothing to do with what you are saying here...

If you want ninja stuff and mobility go subtlety, which is getting buffed, where is the problem here?

We are also only class that can drop combat and Vanish from sight completely with just 1 fast button to press... Others can't do that. I survived nuke by 5 people very often... While no other class can do that. .... NO1.

Sorry, this topic is about Ninjas, and has nothing to do with what you are saying here...

If you want ninja stuff and mobility go subtlety, which is getting buffed, where is the problem here?

We are also only class that can drop combat and Vanish from sight completely with just 1 fast button to press... Others can't do that. I survived nuke by 5 people very often... While no other class can do that. .... NO1.

Fint then, on-topic. Assassination rogues don't have the mobility of a ninja or an Assassin. Try duelling a good Hunter or Frost Mage (this class can already faceroll muti rogues) after patch we'll see how long you'll last.

Add a mage blink equivalent to rogue, reverse the movement direction to backwards and name it backflip. Animate it with a super awesome ninja flip out.

All problems solved - rogues are #1 pvp and #1 awesomeness class again.

Fint then, on-topic. Assassination rogues don't have the mobility of a ninja or an Assassin. Try duelling a good Hunter or Frost Mage (this class can already faceroll muti rogues) after patch we'll see how long you'll last.

That's why I said we have 3 talent trees: 1. Dmg, 2. Leveling-Pve, 3. Mobility and Tricks.

Now this is maybe good model to have, since you can't have all... the problem is that there are some classes that have mobility and dmg combined, and I think they should nerf that... and bring them back to normal position...

BTW, I just dueled DK, he healed to full in 1 second, up from 30%... now, that is some mad skillz, and he surely needed to use mad brain power to just nuke and do that, not to mention that his dmg was retarded, even through Combat Readiness, and all defensive stuff I had.

Now, that is clear example that there will never be balance in this game... we just need to learn to live with it, and realize it is a game, sometimes you are good, sometimes you are not... and hell I do not care, I know some classes can faceroll us, but I would never play anything but this Rogue, regardless.

Stop whining about mutilate mobility, If mutilate had better mobility it would be like a warrior on steroids, so ok im exaggerating slightly, but if i could stick on my target for my entire vendetta i would be dealing unhealable damage.

The issue with muti rogues is not our kiteability, that is justified, its the lack of damage outside of vendetta, i really feel like a 1 trick pony playing mutilate, when vendetta is up, in conjunction with smokebomb im an absolutely overpowered beast and i need to be kited or something will die.

Outside of those cds i hit like a wet lettuce and have to spend the time pillar kiting.

I don't agree that muti rogues are gibbable, we have plenty of defense, only bad rogues get gibbed, the sort of rogues that spam every cd at the start of the game to score a kill and are left with nothing.

I would go even as far to say as i like the challenge of being less mobile, it means you have to read your opponents better and use your offensive and defensive cds correctly. Look at warriors now, they just have to look at their plethora of gap closers when they screw up, hence they are getting nerfed and rightfully so.

Ok so having said all this, the mobility is perhaps sub par, there is no doubt, but anything other then a small buff will turn mutilate into godmode, anyone can see that.

Oh and at the guy above, i dueled a dk, got him to 1k hp, he healed from 1k to 120k in lichborne deathcoil spam, that my friend, is balance.

Oh and at the guy above, i dueled a dk, got him to 1k hp, he healed from 1k to 120k in lichborne deathcoil spam, that my friend, is balance.

Serious? :)

Omg, if next patch goes live and they are free of stun, omg. I can't imagine WALLS of QQ.

14/01/2011 5:16 PMPosted by Vukdar

Oh and at the guy above, i dueled a dk, got him to 1k hp, he healed from 1k to 120k in lichborne deathcoil spam, that my friend, is balance.

Serious? :)

Omg, if next patch goes live and they are free of stun, omg. I can't imagine WALLS of QQ.

Dead serious, apparently because i tried to take his 1k HP when he was using AMS it charged him up to heal, who am i to think i can take 1k HP through AMS, l2play issue.

14/01/2011 4:56 PMPosted by Calhadan

Add a mage blink equivalent to rogue, reverse the movement direction to backwards and name it backflip. Animate it with a super awesome ninja flip out.

All problems solved - rogues are #1 pvp and #1 awesomeness class again.

Bump this idea for great justice.

14/01/2011 5:11 PMPosted by Lionelxo

Stop whining about mutilate mobility, If mutilate had better mobility it would be like a warrior on steroids, so ok im exaggerating slightly, but if i could stick on my target for my entire vendetta i would be dealing unhealable damage.

so you're saying that assassination rogue should move more like a fat kid and dealing more damages?

i would prefer more mobility over damages tbh, the talent tree is called assassination for a reason and not "fatmutihithardmoveslow"