World of Warcraft

I gues most people know wich bg's i mean wich is AV SotA and IoC

Really esp AV and SotA is what i get most of the time and altho i loved AV alot back those days when battles lasted for hours. Now its just a waste of time if your like me who also play BG's for fun and to win. I noticed it esp when playing a healer its so boring, but the last days when i play my resto shaman its just sota sota sota av av sota. last week i even asked if there where people signing only for sota since its the current bg weekend and some said yes... i mean what the???

Speaking of SotA why did blizzard maked it even more boring then previously ? ( i thought that wasnt possible) Why suddenly increase the speed of the sieges by lots but making them slow/rootable ? If your unlucky when certain classes are not in your team or with people who dont want to help the team well then your screwed. I dont understand btw why blizzard is so hard headded for not removing SotA, most people i speak about it or when i read the forums wants this BG to be erased.

Im on an urge just to stop PvP'ing on WoW and just keep killing dragons, getting pretty tired of all the promisses by blizzard to make PvP better but everytime its crap.

Rant mode off

You don't want a PvE AV? Defend. Cap towers. Take towers back. Force the reinforcement game.

You don't want a PvE Isle of Conquest? Prevent the enemy from taking docks, workshop, and hangar. Force them to fight over the flags. Force the reinforcement game.

You don't want a PvE Strand of the Ancients? You don't have to kill or CC those demolishers. Just focus on the players.

The reason people don't like PvP AV and IoC is because they are an amazing honor haul, for a potentially short game.

In sota if you don't focus the demo's theyll reach the relic before u even get a player too 50%

The problem with these battleground, mostly AV in my opinion is that the best way to play is not to engage in PvP.

IoC being the same, having one huge battle over the three flags, after each faction have won their flags, usually resulting in 2:1, the best way to play is not engaging in PvP.

If this question get yes as an answer; something is wrong:
"Will they lose this battleground if they do not have a PvE tank?"

05/02/2011 12:54 AMPosted by Firebert

You don't want a PvE AV? Defend. Cap towers. Take towers back. Force the reinforcement game.

You don't want a PvE Isle of Conquest? Prevent the enemy from taking docks, workshop, and hangar. Force them to fight over the flags. Force the reinforcement game.

You don't want a PvE Strand of the Ancients? You don't have to kill or CC those demolishers. Just focus on the players.

The reason people don't like PvP AV and IoC is because they are an amazing honor haul, for a potentially short game.

You are really making a name for yourselve....

Half a dozen of guildies of mine allready know u as the guy with the posts which make totally no sense whatsoever.

Who cares about honour if the game itselve isnt fun to play? Most PvE BG's u either zerg or avoid PvP as good as you can. Both are the direct opposite of what a true pvper likes to do.

Don't click random then

Yes this bgs are not anymore about pvp but just about who is faster and got tank/healers for final boss there (like 90% of battles, sometimes y can still see reinf war, but i don t know how its on horde side but ally side truly do suck at this point - 10 ppl go afk cuz they do not care about reinf war - next 10 ppl do just chat about how ally sucks, whose fault is this and text like stop fight its waste of time and just loose we get more honor if we get in another one - YES PATHETIC). If you wan t to blame some1 for how does this bgs look like, then go on. Blizz? surely not, blizz is just an company, and they do what 95% ppl in bgs want. Just honor. We did get bgs too how they look like now, we did destroy original pvp zone alterac to some stupid pve race down, you can just blame the ppl around you for it. And nothing ll be done about this for sure, if 95% ppl do except from bgs just honor and the rest some fun, it ll stay as it is.

well alterac valley can hardly be called as "battleground",all you have to do is stick with main group and see how 2 sides avoid each other rather than charging on,if only they removed vandar/drek...

You don't want a PvE AV? Defend. Cap towers. Take towers back. Force the reinforcement game

You don't want a PvE Isle of Conquest? Prevent the enemy from taking docks, workshop, and hangar. Force them to fight over the flags. Force the reinforcement game.

You don't want a PvE Strand of the Ancients? You don't have to kill or CC those demolishers. Just focus on the players.

The reason people don't like PvP AV and IoC is because they are an amazing honor haul, for a potentially short game.

1)
Hard to do when barely anyone protects them its either or you get steamrolled in less then 10 seconds or if lucky the other team doesnt recap and your standing there for 5 minutes like a lemon doing nothing.

2)
Again getting steamrolled isnt fun nor PvP

3)
Like mentioned if you focus on players you will lose before getting any kills. But i wont anyway since that doesnt win me the bg but the way to win SotA isnt fun aswell so the reason that this bg is the worst of them all.

@ the nelf rogue dont que random

Yeah i really want 30min + que's to get into AB etc really... if not worse.

i tend to rally people to defend AV, gotten me alot of hate and flame, which is sad...

*OMFG STOP PVPING IN A BG!* :[

Best quote when leveling this in sota cta last week.

'Stop pvping and kill the demolishers'

and a big arguement ensued between 3 players, then we lost.

Bump for the removal of sota and ioc and making av into a full on war again

Sota and IoC suck balls, But i do happen to love AV.

Especially the battles that come down to reinforcements over nuking the boss.

Have been in meany epic mass scale battles where allies are trying to push forward and hold horde off, wish all AV's could be like that

You whine to much to be honest, there is plenty of PvP in SotA, IoC and AV.

In SotA as attacking side your main goal (if you're not driving a demo) is to engage enemy players by either cc'ing them, slowing them or simply killing them - which is a PvP!
As defender there is also more to it than just nuking demos down - CC their healers so that they can't dispell roots & slows from demos, defend GY flag by killing those who want to cap it (bah PvP again) and once demos are down pushing the attacking side to their GY.

In IoC there is plenty of PvP and I'm surprised ppl whine about it, firs of all capping bases at start - there is so much killing! Also after you got at least 2 bases it doesn't mean you won't have a chance to kill someone, jumping over wall into enemy base (which usually got some defenders in it), defending artillery while it attack the walls - there is plenty of action. Specially if your side got only one base there is much to do: you need to def your base since otherwise they will get your walls down quick, cap other base (with just one you got small chances of success) and at the same time you need to keep assaulting their keep.

And AV, while fastest way to win AV is by rushing enemy bosses and grabbing all towers/bunkers & gy on your way it doesn't mean there isn't anything going on. Sure if you just stand in front of enemy keep and w8 for towers to go down it will be really dull and boring but defending things you capped or retaking those that enemy took involve a lot of killing.
Bah you can also at the beginning group up with few others and defend your first boss which will greatly slow down enemy assault (if you get enough ppl) or mess up with them in middle which while considered by many a wast of time and etc slows down attackers. Also since usually they don't cap your first gy and therefore will have to go through middle every time they die thus giving you chance to kill them again and again and denying those at your base needed reinforcements.
Finally if you really want some PvP action in AV and care more about fun than winning, you can cap Iceblood/Stoneheart gy which will make most of enemy to spawn at their base and cause a lot of big group vs big group action.

To sum it up, BG's aren't just about killing other players but about objectives which require you usually to kill someone while you want to achieve them, and that's what makes them fun.
If you want just to have some pure pvp action than arena is something for you, there you don't have to bother yourself with some boring def duty or driving a vehicle but only with how to kill those slackers from opposite team (also arena grants you great opportunity to kill gnomes while playing ally)!

Nowak this is pugs were talking about

Im not interested in doing only rated bg's except when im asked to join or my guild try's to form one then yeah i join. Anyway Siege engines is PvE not to mention the main goal is too kill a PvE boss on 2 of those BG's. Also i really dislike small sandbox games aka arena and it also atracts alot of immature people to that.

In short objectives is 1 thing but if people clearly arent doing objectives and there is barely any sort of REAL PvP going on then yeah...

I agree on SOTA, that BG should just be removed. It's the antithesis of personal skill and has turned into nothing more than "whoever slows, dispels and cc's the most wins".

AV however, I think is much better these days than it was at the end of WOTLK, when Vann/Drek could be killed in 10 seconds with all towers/bunkers still up. Now it's different, tower and bunker defense (ie actual PVP) as well as controlling spawns, are crucial to victory, so there's much more actual, meaningful PVP happening.

How about a no objective battleground where you beat on each other for 10-25 minutes. I know I would love it.

Just pure reinforcements BG would be lovely indeed.

And despicable you still have alot of dumb folks trying to zerg drek/vann, like i said the old days where much better. If the only PvP you get in that big zone is just towers then meh...

PvM

Player vs machine....fak it's terminater online now