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Freezing trap again.
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First off no this isn't a hunters suck in PVP thread.
This is a thread about how freezing trap is fail in pvp. So today me and an other hunter who are in arena's for mostly fun. Did about 10 matches today we lost about 5 of them thanks to the fail mechanics of freezing trap. Now I known it isn't balanced around 2v2. But this is jsut to show how #%!#ed up traps are. Vs a healer dps team our only chanche of winning is pretty much keeping a CC chain on the healer most of the time. And here come two problems Now we had a game in which we almost had the other dps down all i had to do was scatter trsp the healer one more time and we would've gotten in the kill. However freezing traps game mechanics had other plans. My trap resisted and we were pretty much left we a full hp dps guy again within 6 secconds. loosing us the match. a Seccond game we decided to go after the healer for a change. so I go and trap the warlock I scatter shim and lay a trap under him. he doesn't trinket so I'm sure the trap will hit him as it lies right below his feet. but ooh joy it manages to trap the pet instead of the lock. leaving the lock to fear spam and dot us to our deaths. a third game I yet again go in to scatter shot and freezing trap the healer now he trinkets my scatter shot and avoids my freezing trap compeltly and without any real effort. now this is more smart gameplay. but smart gameplay that is brought forward thanks to yet another game mechanic on. now maybe instant trapping of freezing trap is probably OP. but a 2 sec arming time is overkill. this isn't polymorph in which as long as you don't los you will get polymorphed. Now I get that blizzard wants to keep each class with an unique game mechanic too keep classes different from each other. but atm our unique game mechanic isn't fun. Its a pain in the ass that you wish you didn't have to rely on but still are forced to use as otherwise your a free HK. I have been told by a GM that blizzard doesn't fix the spellpen/resist problem of the trap because it doesn't happen often enought to be a big problem(correct me if I heared wrong here blizz). But today alone in 10 matches I've had 8+ resists so far while having survival tactiks for the 4% less chanche to be resisted. So either it happens alot more then blizzard thinks or I'm just really unlucky As for the targetting part. is it really that much too ask to have some sort of targetting functionality on our traps. Even if its something like your freezing trap will always hit the target thats effected by scatter shot. that would help 100%. since your forcing us to scatter freezing trap anyways and it wouldn't change the way we play one bit. anyways I hope this leads to a healthy discusion but I'm am somewhat fearfull it will yet again wind up in an: lol hunter failing at pvp much? aimed shot is OP! kind of thread |
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Hunter forum
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/874791/ |
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Yea since hunter forums seem pretty ignored. I went ahead and posted it here anyways
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You spelt losing wrong.
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Edited by Jhuna on 25/02/11 13:03 (UTC)
Considering that in reality a trap doesnt crawl through the grass attempting to nom nom nom on specific prey I honestly dont think anything needs to be changed.
Shake up your group composition a bit if you are lacking CC. Pvp is a group effort and requires people working together. edit: typo |
Don't expect to get a blue answer no matter where you post. The main purpose of these forums is to allow the players to discuss the game with other players. And just because you don't get a blue answer doesn't mean that they haven't read it. Posting in the wrong forum won't solve anything and will only result in your thread getting moved by the moderators eventually. |
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considering that in reality bladestorming like a warrior would do is pretty imposible and that in reality magic doesn't excist. We should pretty much remove all magical spells from all casters and bladestorm from warriors. right? ooh and lets not forget shapeshiftung as that isn't posible in reality aswell
Reality isn't a very strong argument as this game has nothing to do with reality. Plus my argument is not the lack off CC. but the fact that freezing trap is a horrible CC. Now your free to disagree with me on that. But reality remains to be an poor argument. |
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Clearly someone has no sense of humour.
Freezing trap is working as intended. Sometimes it gets resisted, sometimes it misses, sometimes it works perfectly. These things happen. If you wanted a more serious response please feel free to go rage over in the pvp or hunter forums. |
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Edited by Beastdweller on 25/02/11 13:12 (UTC)
Yea since hunter forums seem pretty ignored. I went ahead and posted it here anyways meh I'm not expecting a blue post at all and when the moderaters move it at least they will have seen it. I just feel like the class forums aren't being read(doesn't have to be true) I just feel that way so i posted here. I don't care if a blue replies to me or not. I just want them to notice and then go on making changes that benefits us all like the new guildfinder of 4.1 instead of waisiting time replying. |
Clearly someone has no sense of humour. yea you're mistaking disproofing your argument for raging. and I'm sorry it didn't get your joke it isn't that easy to tell the difference between a real argument and a joke when you can't see peoples facial expressions and when they aren't using things as :P or :) to show how they mean it.
yet no other class has to deal with it. So srry but no it isn't working as intended. if you are at the hitcap then your traps shouldn't be able to miss. yet they do as you can't get to the hitcap for resists. Like I said before you can disagree with me but it is also my right to try and disproof you. I am srry if you think thats raging but i can assure you its not. |
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yea you're mistaking disproofing your argument for raging. and I'm sorry it didn't get your joke it isn't that easy to tell the difference between a real argument and a joke when you can't see peoples facial expressions and when they aren't using things as :P or :) to show how they mean it. I use 'nom nom nom' in all my serious arguments ;) |
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hehe well you never know there are people "crazy" enough to do it;)
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Edited by Vandrer on 25/02/11 13:56 (UTC)
Considering that in reality a trap doesnt crawl through the grass attempting to nom nom nom on specific prey I honestly dont think anything needs to be changed. Dude you of all people should know that this is totally game-breaking. Obviously you've played hunter for a while, judging from your achievement points. But regarding this.. well you don't have the 'Step into the Arena' achievement. Try playing 3000+ arena games as a hunter, or even better do it with another hunter. You'll start noticing very very soon. Our CCs are not like other CCs. Loosing 2 or 3/10 games because a mechanic is -not working- ... well. |
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Traps are weird anyway - they should be on stealth mode, as that is their purpose. If you make a trap in the woods and place a big orange (green, blue) light over it, I guess you will catch nothing into that trap, because no deer (or other animal) will be that stupid to step into it. Effectivity of all traps in all times was based on that you dont see them... while in WoW there is a big flashing light saying": "Heeeeeeey, heres a trap !". Someone mentally ill must have invented it that way.
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Edited by Jhuna on 25/02/11 13:56 (UTC)
Actually the only class that can see your trap is a rogue. But I agree that we should be able to use them while camouflaged without breaking stealth. (can we do that? I cant log on to check :s) |
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Edited by Infim on 25/02/11 14:05 (UTC)
Actually the only class that can see your trap is a rogue. Yes we can do that. Now you really made me think though... I thought I see enemy hunter placing trap... maybe I was just lucky as not running into any trap... I surely get my traps disarmed by enemy though... Edit: If its as you say its okay then... |
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actually your trap doesn't go invisble untill after a few secs allowing everyoen to see it at first and even then you can see them long before you walk over them when they go semi stealthed. Besides the kneeling animation makes sure its super obvious your placing one anyways. And yes you can place traps when camouflaged however fire and snake traps do break camouflage freezing trap doesn't.
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Besides the kneeling animation makes sure its super obvious your placing one anyways. The trap launcher doesnt have the kneeling animation but I see what you are getting at. Sometimes you need to place a trap at your feet and the animation can give it away.
That is definitely bizarre. |
