Topic Ask the Devs EU - nobody votes!
Archaos
Grim Batol
Archaos
90 Human Warlock
16140
I have to wonder what the point is in even having the "Ask the Devs" threads on the EU site because barely anyone even votes and NOBODY ever votes past the 3rd page.

I've checked all the EU ones and there's barely a single upvoted post past the 3rd pages. In fact there's barely a dozen upvoted posts in the entire things.

The US threads by contrast are nearly always at the post limit and every page still gets voted on, even up to the very last.

What this means is that EU questions will not be answered or even looked at by the devs because no one can be bothered with voting. (In case you didn't know, ONLY upvoted posts will even be considered. If the post isn't highlighted it will be ignored).
Isazlaguz
Hellscream
Isazlaguz
85 Blood Elf Death Knight
2605
If people aren't bothered with voting, it means they aren't bothered with dev answers.

Everyone doesn't need to know everything in advance and some are happy to play along with what we got as long as what we got we got.
Archaos
Grim Batol
Archaos
90 Human Warlock
16140
Edited by Archaos on 03/05/11 17:33 (BST)
If people aren't bothered with voting, it means they aren't bothered with dev answers.


Well they still ask the questions, meaning that some people have to be concerned with the answers.

All it takes is for each person who asks a question to flick through and rate the other ones. Otherwise there's just no point in even asking the questions in the first place..
Isazlaguz
Hellscream
Isazlaguz
85 Blood Elf Death Knight
2605
Well they still ask the questions, meaning that some people have to be concerned with the answers.

All it takes is for each person who asks a question to flick through and rate the other ones. Otherwise there's just no point in even asking the questions in the first place..


Yeap that's fair, if you're going to post on it, then act on it.
Nightdare
Moonglade
Nightdare
85 Orc Warrior
4470
"Blizzard does what Blizzard does"


Perhaps you've already noticed they only answer a handful of questions
which would be okay if it were just the EU, but we're talking about all realms except China

Then there are the answers

If you haven't checked the forums much, a lot of people are having issues they would have liked to have gotten an answer to months(/years) ago
and for once would like to hear a "We're fixing that Right Now!" for a change
But pressing matters are being ignored and what is answered comes down to:
-We're feeling okay with it
-We're looking into that
-That might be something we can implement in the future
-We thought about that as well, but can't act on it at this time



So whatever blizz 'feels' about certain game elements, most people probably 'feel' like the Q&A is for PR only
Álíce
Mazrigos
Álíce
85 Draenei Death Knight
1600
I think Korea has us covered.
Enthalos
Emerald Dream
Enthalos
90 Human Mage
5850
There's too many to go through so it's just easier to ask a question rather than vote which is best. I'm sure blizzard can extrapolate what the most popular questions are.
Sawbones
Azjol-Nerub
Sawbones
26 Undead Priest
150
Possibly people consider the first three pages (for example) to actually contain the most pressing questions, and therefore the only ones worth voting on. Or simply that those who are actually interested vote early, those suggestions that come later are just skipped over.

But pressing matters are being ignored and what is answered comes down to:
-We're feeling okay with it
-We're looking into that
-That might be something we can implement in the future
-We thought about that as well, but can't act on it at this time


Is perhaps a little unfair. Devs (and any Blizzard employee for that matter) are naturally going to be very careful about how they word their answers. If they say anything that could in any way be construed as "good idea, we'll do that", and if it doesn't show up in the very next patch there will almost certainly be a flood of complaints/ troll posts on the forums.

Seen that happen in other games, which was a shame as one particular forum that used to have a very large Dev presence suddenly found itself being a lot quieter on the Dev front.
Gontier
Grim Batol
Gontier
MVP - World of Warcraft
90 Human Death Knight
13850
03/05/2011 17:25Posted by Archaos
and NOBODY ever votes past the 3rd page.

I'm quite curious how you'd know this? You can never know that, the posts might not have reached the limit required to make it highlighted - but that doesn't mean the questions are not being voted on.
Nightdare
Moonglade
Nightdare
85 Orc Warrior
4470

Is perhaps a little unfair. Devs (and any Blizzard employee for that matter) are naturally going to be very careful about how they word their answers. If they say anything that could in any way be construed as "good idea, we'll do that", and if it doesn't show up in the very next patch there will almost certainly be a flood of complaints/ troll posts on the forums.


Then don't ask for questions?
Really, the Q&A concerning PvP was a disaster waiting to happen in the sense that a lot of people would end up disappointed calling Elvis

Seen that happen in other games, which was a shame as one particular forum that used to have a very large Dev presence suddenly found itself being a lot quieter on the Dev front


Couldn't be much more quite then WoW EU forums

B'sides, after the "post your suggestions for your class" on the TBC forums alot of warriors ended up feeling cheated when they saw that the new Deathknight class had a lot of familiar abilities
Archaos
Grim Batol
Archaos
90 Human Warlock
16140
There's too many to go through so it's just easier to ask a question rather than vote which is best. I'm sure blizzard can extrapolate what the most popular questions are.


Only if they're recieved enough votes to be highlighted. Otherwise Blizzard wont even look at them.

I'm quite curious how you'd know this? You can never know that, the posts might not have reached the limit required to make it highlighted - but that doesn't mean the questions are not being voted on.


Saying 'nobody' wasn't being exact; it was a generalization. The fact that almost no posts are upvoted (highlighted) past the 3rd page means that although a few people may be voting it's not nearly enough to highlight it.


My whole point is: If people don't take the time to vote then the questions are not going to get highlighted and will not be seen by blizzard at all.
Ráchel
Spinebreaker
Ráchel
12 Night Elf Druid
60
I have to say that I am also a bit disappointed that a lot good questions get ignored, because the "younger guys" at the forum only vote things up like "my class does not enough damage, nerf class xy, other have it easier...".


But I also think that some people gave up. If you keep writing stuff atleast once a week and its written good but nobody cares, you ask yourself if its worth it. And unfortunately the response is very low, by the community but also the CM´s (who are ofc busy people raiding Nef HC all day in Irvine, but still spare a minute for the community too :D )
Shadowfene
Ghostlands
Shadowfene
90 Human Paladin
11165
In case you didn't know, ONLY upvoted posts will even be considered. If the post isn't highlighted it will be ignored

Only if they're recieved enough votes to be highlighted. Otherwise Blizzard wont even look at them

My whole point is: If people don't take the time to vote then the questions are not going to get highlighted and will not be seen by blizzard at all.


I'm sort of confused by these statements. They seem to suggest that only highlighted questions will be chosen for the developers. Am I missing something? Because according to the blue introduction to the threads it states "We'll pick out posts with the most votes". I would have assumed from this that the posts with the most votes will be passed on - even if they have not received enough votes to be highlighted.

03/05/2011 18:43Posted by Enthalos
There's too many to go through so it's just easier to ask a question rather than vote which is best. I'm sure blizzard can extrapolate what the most popular questions are.


I agree and disagree with this. The reason there are too many questions is due to the fact that people refuse to check the questions which have been asked before. Most of the time they ask the same or similar questions to previous posts. And this has to have a negative effect on voting. Better to have one good and highly voted post on an issue than a load of similar ones - none of which manage to get highly voted. But I agree that Blizz can and do extrapolate what the most popular questions are.

04/05/2011 02:31Posted by Ráchel
I have to say that I am also a bit disappointed that a lot good questions get ignored, because the "younger guys" at the forum only vote things up like "my class does not enough damage, nerf class xy, other have it easier...".

03/05/2011 17:28Posted by Isazlaguz
Everyone doesn't need to know everything in advance and some are happy to play along with what we got as long as what we got we got.


I agree with this. In my opinion, some of the questions are quite shallow. They seem to focus on wanting the Devs to tell them stuff in advance - a bit like writing a letter to Santa asking him what he is going to bring you for Christmas ;) I actually prefer seeing questions which ask developers thoughts on game design and mechanics.

P.S. - I read every question and I upvote every one I feel is worth asking.
Edited by Wryxian on 04/05/11 10:34 (BST)
03/05/2011 17:25Posted by Archaos
What this means is that EU questions will not be answered or even looked at by the devs because no one can be bothered with voting.
That's not true. We still compile the top voted questions from each EU language forum and send them through to the developers. Just because the amount of votes for those top-voted questions can, at times, be lower than other times, doesn't mean those top-voted questions aren't still gathered and relayed and responded to. From what we've seen, the developers have gone to great lengths to answer questions from all of our global regions and separate language communities. So don't worry, we're not being sidelined or left out -- quite the contrary. :-)
Kotara
Stormrage
Kotara
90 Night Elf Warrior
10800
To be honest there are only a few different questions being asked:
- Archaeology is boring, any changes? (highly voted, odd that :P )
- Enchanters lost monopoly on disenchanting, QQ
- Any new craftables in 4.2? (New tier of raiding after all)
- Engineering isn't fun anymore compared to the olden days, any plans to compensate?
- Gathering prof perks suck (compared to crafting ones), any fix incoming?

So after about two pages the bases are about covered, really (And these questions could be pretty easily guessed by Blizz at that), each of those questiona being the subject of countless threads each, it's a lot of kicking in open doors really, because we'll then get noncomittal answers like "we want to do something, and have GREAT stuff planned, but can't tell you when it will be implemented", then we get some "Worst. Q&A. EVER!"-threads, and everything will keep on going the way it is now :P
Alyssa
Terenas
Alyssa
85 Human Paladin
12145
Edited by Alyssa on 04/05/11 12:30 (BST)
People not voting is most likely a byproduct of the fact that most if not all dev communication and interaction has been on the US forums in the past, this leading to EU forums being mostly dead in comparison to the US once, segregated forums has always been a bad thing for the community as a whole in my opinion.
Thanehammer
Sylvanas
Thanehammer
85 Dwarf Shaman
0
I have yet to see interesting questions with information that we didnt actually had.
Its pretty obvious that they pick the ones they like anyways, no matter the number of votes.
Diomedes
Blackhand
Diomedes
90 Blood Elf Paladin
9610
this "ask the devs" is a pure public relations gag show. they ignoring the european community totally, europe is only good for monthly payment thats it.
Nimyla
Aerie Peak
Nimyla
90 Blood Elf Hunter
9210
Archaos sorry for not sit on forum 24/7 answer every vote :) that have to do with fact that some of people that from time to time pop in here on forum also do play this game ;)

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