Topic Patch 4.2: We Bid Thy Keyring Adieu
Abyssoan
Doomhammer
Abyssoan
85 Human Mage
0

But hopefully this is a first step in adding an option to store tabards, that will free up some bank space.


It's not. It's to add a derpy little "dungeon journal" icon to the default interface.


Probably right but I'm sure they could have merged that with the quest log in a nice way if they tried.
Frikaa
Kazzak
Frikaa
85 Tauren Shaman
5200
even i as a person who doesnt collect anything think this is a very very very bad idea! :| i dont want to make space for keys in my bags its redicilous! and what if i need i key and if the key is in my bank ? do i have to go back take it from my bank and then go to the place i want to go to ? O_o I HOPE NOT! otherwise i will have to keep all those useful keys in my bag 24/7 because u decided its a good idea to cut the bottom of the keyrighg bag ? tc tc tc tc BAD BLIZZARD BAD!!!
Abyssoan
Doomhammer
Abyssoan
85 Human Mage
0

Then there's The Master's Key which no longer has a real purpose either. The Karazhan gate can be opened with a Cobalt Skeleton Key (if you are a Blacksmith), or you can just let a friend who has they key open the gate for you. So since you can get around the locked gate so easily, why keep the gate locked at all? If people want to enter, let them enter :)


Wow really, let me just UNDERLINE/BOLD where you have gone compleetly wrong.

SO BASICLY: You say you don't need the Master's Key because you can use BS keys or ask someone else for the Master's Key.

I fail to understand why you got MVP


You missed this part, "So since you can get around the locked gate so easily, why keep the gate locked at all?".
Hebuba
Ravencrest
Hebuba
85 Night Elf Priest
14050
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Then there's The Master's Key which no longer has a real purpose either. The Karazhan gate can be opened with a Cobalt Skeleton Key (if you are a Blacksmith), or you can just let a friend who has they key open the gate for you. So since you can get around the locked gate so easily, why keep the gate locked at all? If people want to enter, let them enter :)
The whole notion of raid attunements is a bit dated as well, so why try to keep it alive for one raid? That's silly.


Wow really, let me just UNDERLINE/BOLD where you have gone compleetly wrong.

SO BASICLY: You say you don't need the Master's Key because you can use BS keys or ask someone else for the Master's Key.

I fail to understand why you got MVP

I don't need gear to do raids because others, who have gear, carry me. And changing how much BS keys stack won't change the game for say 90% of players.
Furylicious
Stormrage
Furylicious
85 Orc Warrior
10950
No my point is, his post is telling exactly the opposite.

Keys are beeing removed, however he claims that you can either use BLACKSMITHING keys or ASK YOUR FRIEND to open the gate for you WITH THE MASTER'S KEY.

No really...
Zugzugy
Darkmoon Faire
Zugzugy
1 Orc Hunter
0
So, for us non-rogue classes which rely on huge stacks of blacksmithing-crafted keys to open lockboxes, we will have yet another thing cluttering our bags.

Don't worry tho! I'm sure they will bring a keyring back... As a premium option.
Hebuba
Ravencrest
Hebuba
85 Night Elf Priest
14050


You missed this part, "So since you can get around the locked gate so easily, why keep the gate locked at all?".

Ok true but can you name ONE rational reason for the removal of keyring and way the system works?
Cinxia
Auchindoun
Cinxia
13 Blood Elf Hunter
100
No my point is, his post is telling exactly the opposite.

Keys are beeing removed, however he claims that you can either use BLACKSMITHING keys or ASK YOUR FRIEND to open the gate for you WITH THE MASTER'S KEY.

No really...


Rofl!

First time I see a MVP fail so badly
Humewami
Tarren Mill
Humewami
85 Blood Elf Paladin
6130
Step 1: open the code of bagnon
Step 2: copy it
Step 3: paste it
Step 4: congratulations no keyring in the main bar, no retarded bags either.
Whuha how wonderful!
Step 5: put 5000 other things in the micro menu to then delete it again just when we think we have more bag space.
Step 6: Congrats blizz, you have just wasted a few days on recoding the keyring and useless keys, while you could have been working on firelands, to actually make it not to have bugs.
No bugs?! What?! Or something like class balance would be wonderful aswell..
or maybe actually add a feature we want, instead of some retarded change most of the wow players actually have an addon for..yes an addon! woooh! And that addon does for free what we cannot do with 15 euros a month x insert random amount of million subs x 12 x6, nooo way!? Unbelievable !!

note: this is sarcastic..
Rávén
Twisting Nether
Rávén
85 Blood Elf Paladin
11545
Don't really like this change at all. Makes our bags clutter, when the Keyring was made Specificly for it.

I can understand why you are doing it, so people don't have to go through the stress of collecting each keys from here and there to open this and that.

That is the point of a MMO. Working for your things.

Don't think its going to help at all, and I'm pretty sure alot of people think the same way.
Dárkseph
Vek'nilash
Dárkseph
85 Blood Elf Rogue
4125
Why...?

So instead of extra space (which has been asked for in many threads), you decided to dump all the "key" items with any sort of use into our inventory. This is actually something your development tems took work and spent paid hours to implement? Good job guys. I think I can hear the sound of those 600k subscribers stampeding back already. -.-

Seriously though, couldn't just like...remove the useless keys and leave the keyring alone? Blizz can't be that dumb to believe players want this, what's the real reason for this change? Extra inventory storage planned in the future as a premium feature?
Nerán
Earthen Ring
Nerán
90 Blood Elf Rogue
9380
It would be better for no keys at all, all TBC heroic dungeons should be accessable without a key.

I don't want to take a key with me to enter some instances and keep it in my bag...

And while you're fixing this keyring thing, how about to give some more bankslots for your own? And the first bag in bagslot make that a 20 slot or so instead of a 16 slot...
Vallemunde
Turalyon
Vallemunde
85 Dwarf Death Knight
3185
Putting keys back in our bagspace?
Not a good idea in my book.
Maybe most keys are of no use, but we have some left.
How mutch? 4, 5? We struggle with bagspace as it is.
Maybe replace those keys with an achievement that grants you acces
to the place the key is for?
Purnissa
Bloodhoof
Purnissa
90 Human Priest
11085
The whole key system sounds a bit outdated TBH, and this change is interesting. I'm assuming they'll only keep a very few keys left, or actually, I hope they'll remove them completely.

Considering so far Blizz has only tried to free up more bag space with us, with the mounts and pets in seperate windows, and several Blizz posts mentioned a similar system for tabards is being considered, I'd say its unlikely Blizz now clutters our precious bag space with keys :P That'd be the total opposite.

What interests me is this line in the Blizz post;
"This change could also potentially allow us to play around with the amount of default storage space you’re allotted down the road."

An extra bag slot perhaps? That'd be epic.
Vandya
Sporeggar
Vandya
85 Draenei Shaman
5420
I just can't comprehend how developer time is being funneled into this. Are keys a problem in the game? Has anyone, ever, in the history of the game complained about having a keyring? I like my keys where they are - they are a sort of history of things I've done and places I've been - to remove them serves no purpose other than to narrow the scope of the game.

Why fix things that aren't broken, when so many other things are? How you can have the audacity to announce it in a blue post like some exciting, brilliant piece of gaming history is being made is beyond me - at most it should have been a patch note.

What's the next useless and unwanted feature we can expect? We've had Guild-Finder, now the Keyring Disintegrator...

Right now we're working hard to make an exciting new feature ready for patch 4.2 - the Minimap Border Colourer will allow you to change the colour of the tiny border thing around the minimap. We're working night and day to implement this beauty, but rest assured we have pulled people out of the content/PvP/class balance/lore teams to get it ready on time!
Krill
Azuremyst
Krill
90 Human Mage
8180
Edited by Krill on 24/05/11 07:06 (BST)
23/05/2011 17:02Posted by Takralus
But as things tend to do, time went on, bags got bigger, and designs for gating content (literally and figuratively) evolved through the years.


There is some logic in this as we have more bag space now to store the keys in than we did when the keyring was introduced,
However there are more "Keep" Items in the world too. It's a very good point about the hundreds of Tabbards etc taking up space too. They have increased on par with the increased sizes of bags over the expansions.
I have attachment to some keys too. Never forget the mammoth run for The Masters Key for Kara.

I suppose I am fine with this change as long as most keys are taken out, and just keep the one time use quest keys. Last thing we need is 20 Keys along with our 40+ Tabbards taking up all our bank space. There's hardly any room left for my Train Set and Remote controlled car :-)

But I'd wait to see the "cool stuff" that's going to be implemented before complaining.. After all they are just keys.

EDIT:
Seriously though, couldn't just like...remove the useless keys and leave the keyring alone? Blizz can't be that dumb to believe players want this, what's the real reason for this change? Extra inventory storage planned in the future as a premium feature?


Don't give them ideas lol
Ruga
Sylvanas
Ruga
85 Draenei Shaman
12070
Has anyone ever noticed that the majority of QQ comes from Night Elf players?
I find the sheer amount of whine on this forum mindboggling to say the least.

Why QQ in a thread about the removal of the keyring about other @%*! that is completely unlinked to this?

If you're not a developer, please go sit in a corner and shut it.
As a player, you either take what you get and be glad about it or move a long.
Vangel
Vek'nilash
Vangel
85 Blood Elf Mage
2970
If you're not a developer, please go sit in a corner and shut it.
As a player, you either take what you get and be glad about it or move a long.


I've got a better idea. You be quiet.
It's our right as players to criticise especially when the change is arbitrary and unecesarry.

The game's been dumbed down enough already without yet more white-washing and over simplification.
Purnissa
Bloodhoof
Purnissa
90 Human Priest
11085
Edited by Purnissa on 24/05/11 07:12 (BST)
I just can't comprehend how developer time is being funneled into this. Are keys a problem in the game? Has anyone, ever, in the history of the game complained about having a keyring? I like my keys where they are - they are a sort of history of things I've done and places I've been - to remove them serves no purpose other than to narrow the scope of the game.

Why fix things that aren't broken, when so many other things are? How you can have the audacity to announce it in a blue post like some exciting, brilliant piece of gaming history is being made is beyond me - at most it should have been a patch note.


Blizz is clearing up some pixel space for future stuff. Can't be that hard to understand. Nobody complained about the keyring, but keys aren't that necessary either.




There is some logic in this as we have more bag space now to store the keys in than we did when the keyring was introduced,
However there are more "Keep" Items in the world too. It's a very good point about the hundreds of Tabbards etc taking up space too. They have increased on par with the increased sizes of bags over the expansions.
I have attachment to some keys too. Never forget the mammoth run for The Masters Key for Kara.


Aye, the amount of "Keep" items is getting a tad out of hand and I'm running out of bagspace on my main. Stuff like tabards and event awards. Originally I wanted to keep all the Dalaran Fountain Coins for fun, but I just couldn't spend that much bag space on them. My old tier set have been vendored too, even though I preferred to keep them. I'd sooooo much love to get more bag space. If the removal of the keyring means I can have another bag, I support this 200%.

Also, my bank could do with another bag slot too :P
Incoherent
Terenas
Incoherent
90 Human Mage
8495
One more to protest this really saddening change. Not so much for the loss of bag space, more the loss of the keys themselves.

The keys were one of the last reminders of how WoW was once an epic journey where even access to, let alone the the success of, the challenges rested on your willingness to make the effort.

My favorites, because they were so "key" at the time.

The Key to Scholomance
Shadowforge Key
Key to the City (of Strathome)
Key to Searing Gorge
Scarlet Key
Crescent Key (Dire Maul)

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