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Blizz buff enhancement shamans now!
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Edited by Ràmpàge on 29/05/11 10:47 (BST)
Speaking for the whole shaman community, buff enhancement shamans.
In the shaman forums there are enough idea's, threads about buffing them. Very great idea's in the shaman forum but we all have the idea we are being ignored by the devs. We have a lot of issues. - Scaling - damage output - Our defensive/offensive cooldowns doesn't work properly. Feral spirt has almost no damage, so almost no burst on command - We are to reliable on the windfury procs to get burst. In PvP we pray for them, if we don't have them we lose. - Searing totem mechanic is rather weird. - And our best ability (Lava lash) misses a lot and has high cd, and we need to wait long until we have 5 searing flames stack to do a bit of damage. - And a lot lot more Check shaman forums for very good idea's but plz blizz do something about us. And i and other shamans really want a response on this or other topics if its a L2P issue or if there is really something wrong with us. Thx in advance EDIT: An other thing: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/911745-Which-class-so-far-has-Blizzard-favored-the-least-in-Cataclysm?p=11621102#post11621102 Think about this |
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So you asked the entire shaman community?
I'd honestly say that Enhancement Shamans are at a good place. Elemental shamans no, but enhancement shamans yes. Talking only from a PvP perspective. But problem often is - if you buff for PvE, then you buff for PvP. Although presentation of enha shamans in high comps are a bit low now after they removed heroism/bloodlust, i believe that with the right setup, they are still just as mean. Also; you might think that the feral spirits doesnt do much dmg, however - other classes are saying the opposite. I think the general problem is, that if you play a certain class too much - you start only seeing the problems and dont focus on the good sides anymore and once that happens it might be time to find another character to play |
Also; you might think that the feral spirits doesnt do much dmg, however - other classes are saying the opposite. Drmetal a enhance shaman did some simulation with feral spirit and darkmooncard: hurricane And it turns out that the trinket did more damage with procs then the feral spirt. Discuss about that |
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enhancement shamans dps isnt the best ofc, the hybrid tax is still in vigor, so we will never be able to compete with pure classes if thats what u mean on the "we need a buff".
i use http://www.simulationcraft.org/410/Raid_T11_372.html for reference. look at warr dps, dk's, retri's, rogue, enhancment shaman and feral cats... if we take rogue as the pure class example, retri and enhancment shamans are quite close to it, ones abit better other abit worse, nothing relevant tbh. now.. warriors are quite good atm, with dk's following close, maibe due to splash dmg hability's in alot of fights, aoe, and survival. but to have a dps warr in ur guild doing this dps u need very good tanks, the agro they do is quite high, so no good tanks = no good warriors dps. feral druid on the other hand is quite lagging behind, they are the ones needing a buff not shaman enhancment. now, if u talked about buffing elemental shaman to be on par with other casters... honestly, frost dps is quite high, better than fire. shadow priests and elemental shamans as well as balance druid should be getting some buffs to be more on par with the other casters, we dont expect them to be buffed to be like the DK and warrior are now, but to be close to lock/mage/hunter dps, wich lets face it, is quite high atm. |
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ele shaman is pretty decent atm on ptr they still need to get rid of the near useless 31 point talent, but hte op is right about wolves doing tiny damage, its laughable, the only thing good about wolves is the utility it brings, e.i sprint and bash, our damage does not scale so when the new content is released imo we will return to the bottom of recount.
there are a few ways to fix our scaling and damage output and survivability in both pve and pvp 1. change windfury to nature damage that will make it scale with increased mastery and attack power. 2. remove the flametongue requirement for the 40% damage boost to lavalash so you can get it even using frostbrand. i'm finding wind sheer is slightly lax in both pvp and pve it reduces threat by a tiny about and also the interrupt is so short its almost not worth using it, imo increase the cooldown to 8 seconds and the lockout to 4 seconds to be on par with every other interupt and reduce threat by 15%. fix hex, the absolutely worst crowd control in the game, change it to a 'loss of control' and reduce the cooldown. remove the the cooldown increase of glyph of grounding totem 1 minute cooldown is to much when warriors can do the exact same thing every 25 seconds. move shamanistic rage to tier 2 |
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if you want your wind shear (best interrupt in the game when it comes to pvp, IF you use it wisely - you should never be alone) then give it a 10 sec cooldown. And make resto shamans have a 1 min CD on it... That's right.. Should be the same with holy paladins..
Homogensation ftw. and HELL no about moving shamanistic rage to tier 2 |
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Edited by Hyanii on 29/05/11 20:15 (BST)
Indeed. I would consider making it a base ability. Wolves do sod all damage. I think they add about 500 DPS while active, and no enhance shaman worth their salt will ever use them for their damage, saving them instead for the sprint and stun. |
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500 dps is actually less than a warlocks imp at 70 lol
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Edited by Zarkaz on 30/05/11 03:29 (BST)
Speaking for the whole shaman community, buff enhancement shamans. I've been playing enhancement since TBC, I've never been happier about shammies... You say our defencive/offencive cooldowns don't work? Then how can I survive warrior/frost dk with full cds when popping SR, SC, and selfheal, with any healing class healing me? We don't have hero/BL but people still want us for the sick interrupts, and good totems. I have no problems with Lava lash, I crit ANYWHERE from 19-29 k depending on trinket/procs, and think it's perfect. Also, shamans aren't the HARD OP BURST class, we bring stable dps, presure, interrupt, purge, totems, and offhealing to our comps in eaither 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5. Enhancement shamans are and forever will be a support class, and that's why I love shamans now. Besides, who doesn't love a lightning thunder, hammering totemhaving spiritguardians? Who's with me? Don't do anything to shamans but give them some different function to stormstrike. It's a boring almost useless attack : ) And the nature dmg boost is nice for ES, but we allways perfer eaither Frost shock or flame shock anyway, and almost allways use our MSW to heal. I'd love to see stormstrike have something induvidual to shamans, like increased hit chance to target, or 5% increased chance to proc with WF for 2-4 seconds, or something like that. Thanks for reading. |
Show me a log where those wolves do decent damage. The major problem with our scaling is that we scale very badly with haste/crit. Current mail items (yes, datamined -> _may_ be subjects for a change) have quite @@@#ty stat distribution, not to mention the lack of weapons (Again) suitable for enh shamans. I really do not understand why for example there's BS recipe for 2.6 agi sword and 2.6 str axe, but not otherway around. I do consider it to be a sort of a middle finger response for enh community on behalf of the devs. From PVP perspective enh seems to be ok. Ele has quite a bit problems, mainly because their spells have long cast times and also because of lack of controlled survivability cooldowns. Our aoe is terribad. Or lets say it's so situational unless there are dozen adds with lots of hp, you prolly wont get your aoe rotation going. It's also one of the hardest ways to aoe in this game. Lava lash is a good ability and for such hard hitting ability it requires to have some sort of ramp up time because of PVP. I just wish searing totem would actually work correctly w/o having to refresh it many times in the middle of the fight just because it decides to stop working or switches target. I do find the 4pc enh bonus a bit disturbing, however. Even now you pretty much assign enh shaman to focus on single target, because they get pretty heavily penalized from changing targets. 4pc bonus increases this penalty. |
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Edited by Nezriq on 30/05/11 17:03 (BST)
Speaking for the whole shaman community, buff enhancement shamans. If your that good, then why are you stuck around 1.5k ? sorry but i just hear from many enhance, we are fine bla bla bla, i do this and that and can survive for so long and this and that, and when i check their teams they are 1400 rated. Fact is, afaik no enhance shamans are gonna get glad rating after last patch. 4.1 where we saw the nerf of Purge, bloodlust, and flametounge weapon. Alot of other classes got nice buffs, meanwhile and thus we were pushed furhter down as a melee choice in a 3v3 comp. we suffer alot atm, and id sasy all melee classes beats us in every melee cleave setup atm. Solutions: Ive posted many of these suggestions on the shaman forums before, but ill add them again here: 1) Remove requirements for searing flames to be on target for dmg buff to occure. The totem may be ok for pve on a boss fight, but in pvp i often see the totem hitting the wrong target. Its a funny idear but it doesnt really work. 2) Make 2handing viable again, we have very limited mobility, and in arena everything is burst, only other class that has to DW is rogue, and they have great mobility and surviability compared to us. I dont see why we cannot have a 2h talent like Frost DK, Rets, etc. it would give more freedom to the player as how he wishes to play the class. 3) increase spirit wolf dmg by 200-300% 4) make mastery work for windfury dmg, or make windfury nature based dmg, and addjust damage accordingly. 5) increase our base hp, i see hunter in blue pvp gear have 10k more hp than me in epics. I dont understand the logic... 6) insert random buff suggestion yourself |
If your that good, then why are you stuck around 1.5k ? sorry but i just hear from many enhance, we are fine bla bla bla, i do this and that and can survive for so long and this and that, and when i check their teams they are 1400 rated. 7) Make our stoneclaw totem scale with a secondary stat so we have higher survivabilty because the totem shield gets cleaved in half by melee classes. Signed for all your idea's, those idea's will get the shamanclass fixed in PvP at least. PvE wise we need better scaling. I agree with the fact that we are the worst melee class atm. Hope blizz will take a look at us because we are in desperate need of it, and it will get a lot worse |
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Wait, who said I was stuck? : P I just started that comp yesterday. I've been 1900 this season and was also last season as ele. Do you know what achivements is? Anyway, I'm gonna be climbing 2k soon enough : ) And if you can beat 2k, you're eaither balanced or skilled. Seeing my self as an average player, I am balanced. |
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Edited by Ràmpàge on 30/05/11 18:22 (BST)
No enhancement shaman is not fine, its because of you guys that we won't get any buffs.
And i checked your achievements, you weren't over 2K rating. We are just the worst melee class ingame face it |
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if you think 2k is fine, ur way off, we need to be glad viable... atm only resto is glad viable, mby apart from few enhancement teams who sit on high rating from 4.1. glad on my battle group in 3s means you need 2.7k+
so going to 2k may feel good and its nice and all, but if you want to be able to compete about gladiator ranks then we need a buff to be able to stay up there and fight with the best. (edit: i dont want to take your feeling of achivement away for going high, as its always relative as to where you were before) getting 1800 can feel as good as getting 2400, or whatever. however objectivly speaking something is broken with the specc, when there is litteraly 0 3v3 from 4.2 patch who can get glad. That is the reason something has to be changed, alot of voice have been uttered on the arenajukies forums, and i belive the players there, who solely do pvp, has more knowledge about enhance pvp, than most players have. I wish for blizzard to Strive to make all speccs competitivly in the arena, and for that to happen they need to change a thing or 2 with the enhancement specc. Cheers, and have a wonderful night, and succes in the arena |
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There are a few Enhance shaman who have done well, or did well when we could still purge two buffs at a time and have sat on that rating. But then again, exceptional players are good with any class. When you get mediocre players doing well with one class and not another, that is when imbalances really stick out like a sore thumb.
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Still no changes it seems for us...this is looking very dissapointing. I really don't want blizzard to push through untested hotfix buffs once it goes live to compensate.
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I agree, enhs have the simpliest problem to fix - damage. Making WF scalable from mastery is actually a very good idea, as well as merging frostband and flametongue.
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