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Let protection warriors dual wield again please!
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Edited by Spyderman on 30/05/11 09:49 (BST)
The title pretty much says it all. I have been playing this game for many years now, I have over 400 days /played on my main character (Spyderman) and this is the first time that I have felt the need to make a forum post complaining about anything, despite all the actual nerfs I've endured over the years.
I am a proud owner of a set of Warglaives of Azzinoth. It took me a very long time to farm them. Now I find that at some stage, around the time Cataclysm came out, my character suffered a massive head trauma and sustained brain damage causing him to lose the ability to hold a sword in his left hand. Thankfully his ability to hold a shield in his left hand or a mace/sword/axe/staff(?!) in both hands was unaffected by the impact of the nerf-bat. Seriously Blizzard, if I'm specced protection and I take my shield off then I can't use any of my main abilities (shield slam, devastate, shield block etc. etc.), similarly I can't use any of them when I'm holding a 2-handed weapon either. Why exactly can't I equip a one handed sword in my off-hand and not use any of my abilities as well? I don't dps anymore, I've been protection full-time since Cataclysm came out, so up to now I've just had a fury offspec PURELY for equipping my warglaives, grumbling to myself and cursing Blizzard every time you make me spec fury (which I hate by the way, arms is much better). However now I would like to do some PvP as arms. Unfortunately that would mean that I would no longer be able to equip my glaives (or my "Fists of Fury" from Hyjal or my talon/claw of Al'ar from TK or any of the other awesome looking 2-part dual wielding weapon sets that I've collected over the years), so they would be relegated to the bank. I'd also like to point out that I myself, in real life, CAN definately hold a sword in my left hand (tested and confirmed this morning) so on what planet does it make sense that my character in world of warcraft can't? Let fury keep the +10% damage bonus to dual wielding and the +25% damage bonus to off-hand attacks obviously, but let all warriors dual wield again. I really don't care if you make it so that as soon as I put anything other than a shield in my off-hand it makes me unable to do anything other than /dance and /flex, just let me dual wield as prot again. EDIT: Short version for all the fury noobs who couldn't be bothered to actually read any of my posts. If you can equip a shield as fury then why can't I equip an offhand sword as protection (like I could in vanilla/tbc/wotlk)? Please note that I am NOT requesting that prot warriors get titan's grip and I am NOT requesting that dual wield tanking becomes a viable option. I ONLY want the ability to dual wield one handed weapons to become passive for all warriors again, as it always was before Cataclysm. |
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Do any blues ever actually read these threads or am I just wasting my time even asking for them to undo this stupid and pointless change? Even an explanation would be good, like why they changed it after all these years. I refuse to accept that it's "incase new players get confused and try to tank dual wielding" when it's perfectly possible to attempt to tank with a caster staff. Also don't give me any rubbish about "fury is the dual wield spec, arms is the 2-hander spec and prot is the shield and 1-hander spec" when as fury you can use 2-handers and use shields, prot can use 2-handers, arms can use shields etc etc.
This is just an example of extremely lazy coding by Blizzard and if they're not going to sort it out then I'd at least like them to try to come up with some sort of excuse for doing it. |
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The problem with allowing all specs to dual wield is that new player might think that doing so for Protection or Arms is OK.
Obviously in terms of productivity, it isn't. Ergo, the only spec that should want to Dual Wield is Fury. I admit it's a bit of an oversight for RPers and people who derp old content for sick epics (which I fully support - looking good is 90% of what WoW is about) but it just isn't in the 'How can we alienate new player less' manifesto. :) Many of WoWs changes are stupid and pointless... the keyring for example. I guess someone at Irvine has MAD OCD and hates the fact that it's there. Who knows. For now, though, you're going to have to switch Fury to show off the Legendaries that you got 3 years too late. ;) Haha. Good luck. :) |
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You're saying that Blizzard made this change to make the game more friendly to new players, I think that's a big assumption to make, sounds almost like you're making up an excuse for Blizzards actions based on the supposed idea that Blizzard has a wider master-plan, I don't think that they do in this case, I think that when they were programming Cataclysm somewhere along the line they made the fury spec bonus of this...
Dual Wield Specialization Passive Allows you to equip one-hand and off-hand weapons in your off-hand. Increases all Physical damage by 10% and raises the damage of your off-hand attacks by an additional 25%. and whoever programmed the change (probably not someone who plays a warrior) had the bright idea of removing this... Dual Wield Passive Allows one-hand and off-hand weapons to be equipped in the off-hand. which you used to learn from the warrior trainer at level 20. With the ability to dual wield built in to the new fury passive spec bonus there's no need for the passive that you used to learn at 20 right? Wrong. This is pathetic lazy programming. The bad thing is that now that the change has been made and there hasn't been too many people complaining about it, the chances of it being fixed are extremely remote. There would be no money-making advantage to paying a programmer to change it back or re-add the level 20 passive to the class trainers so they simply won't do it. No money to be made = no point. People wonder why blues don't ever reply to threads like this, no matter how eloquently you try to put your point across and make your argument, it's because they simply do not care about minority groups of players. For a start this only affects warriors so that's 1/10 of the player base, secondly the vast majority of warriors (just like every other class) are idiots and didn't even notice the change. Why would they care about what a small minority of 1/10 of the players wants when they could pay the programmers to spend their time making more pets and mounts to sell from the Blizzard store instead? |
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Edited by Deepfriar on 28/05/11 05:45 (BST)
TLDR: "I can't look "cool" afk-ing anymore because prot warriors can't duel wield, and Blizz are FORCING me to use a 3 second cast in order to be able to duel wield and therefore improve my opinion of my self image" This is clearly unacceptable, and has been hashed behind a mirage of what prot warriors should be able to do whilst in fact the entire message that's being put across is "pls let me equip my (outdated) legendaries without having to change specs" |
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Yes clearly this is all about "improving my opinion of my self image" whatever the hell that means. : / I really don't get where you're going with "a mirage of what prot warriors should be able to do"... Prot warriors should be able to dual wield, it's only since Cataclysm came out that we can't anymore without having to have a fury offspec. I really don't care about having a 3 second cast, I'm more concerned with having to have fury as my secondary spec (as in I am unable to have arms pvp as my second spec and equip my legendaries or any of the other cool looking dual wielding sets I have collected over the years). I would like a comment from someone at Blizzard explaining the reasoning for this change. How does it make sense to you that I can use a 2 handed healing staff as protection but not an offhand sword? Oh and by the way, I really don't care in the slightest if you consider warglaives to be "outdated" or whatever, I happen to think they're still the coolest looking swords in the game. Some people collect useless achievement points, others collect useless legendaries, deal with it. |
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blood/unholy dw is stupid enough eh TLDR: "I can't look "cool" afk-ing anymore because prot warriors can't duel wield, and Blizz are FORCING me to use a 3 second cast in order to be able to duel wield and therefore improve my opinion of my self image" implying being proud of something is bad,and implying every warrior has lolfury spec |
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Edited by Danoth on 28/05/11 14:16 (BST)
I agree. Removing dual wield for Arms and Protection is stupid, and there's no real reason to even removing it, considering it wont benefit those specs much.
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i think i should stay at it is
fury's duel wield arm use 1 2-hander that hit pretty hard and protection use shield to stay alive fury is the berserk who is, well going berserk with 2 swords arms i using it -hander to make complicate moves and protection is using it shield to survive blizzard has maked this so the 3 specs use diffrent weapon to level 70 were fury get 2 2-handers but miss out on some awesome moves ask you self would you give up shock wave for duel-wielding |
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Edited by Spyderman on 28/05/11 17:48 (BST)
No this isn't what I meant, I'm not talking about any change to devastate or any other ability. i think i should stay at it is Neither is this, I'm not saying I want prot spec to be reworked completely so that you can tank while dual wielding instead of using a shield or anything like that. I mean literally exactly what I said, change the ability to dual wield one handed weapons back into a passive for all warriors rather than just a passive for fury spec warriors. That does NOT mean that any protection warriors will be tanking while dual wielding and it does NOT mean that any arms warriors will be dpsing while dual wielding, just like at the moment you don't see protection, fury or arms warriors dpsing or tanking with a staff, however all warriors CAN equip a staff, but not all warriors can dual wield, only fury spec ones. Don't know how I can make this any clearer and I have no idea where you got the idea that I want some change to shockwave from. |
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then what extra ability should fury have? just asking.
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give me back shield slam as arms :L
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What are you all on about? There's no need for fury to gain an attack and this has nothing to do with being able to shield slam as arms. I'm talking about simply allowing warriors of all specs to dual wield once again. Just like at the moment a warriors of all specs can use staves, warriors of all specs can use 2-handed swords, warriors of all specs can use a shield in their offhand, let warriors of all specs dual wield once again like they all could in vanilla/tbc/wotlk.
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I was thinking about the same our guild is missing oh azzinoth for the "We Are Legendary" achievement so even if it drop i will not be able to equip it as a arms or prot...
And pay respec every time when i want weild both azzinoths is just lol... |
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im not asking about a new attack but one of fury abilitys are duel wielding if every warrior should be allowt to do that then fury lose one of their speciel thing for the spec so im asking what would you give fury so i would have a many extra talent as before compare to the other specs (i would love a faster swing time talent :D)
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If you want those weapons on you for the sake of being pretty and nothing else. spec the talent that suits your purposes.
A prot warrior without a shield is like a turtle without its shell. |
