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Your compliments are much appreciated sir.

I dont see the issue here, he joins a run, works as hard as everyone else, wins an item thats a legitimate upgrade for his main spec.

And thats it.
What he decides to do with this upgrade is 100% up to him, he could shard it and it would be absolutely within his rights.

I dont see the issue here, he joins a run, works as hard as everyone else, wins an item thats a legitimate upgrade for his main spec.

And thats it.
What he decides to do with this upgrade is 100% up to him, he could shard it and it would be absolutely within his rights.

There isn't a problem with that i did not one. Unless you make up something like a community rule and expect people to know what it is.

I think some people here have lost loot and felt sore about it in the past but the truth is you probably lost the loot fair and square and just felt hurt, made some rules up and felt better about yourself knowing you were right and the other person is a ninja or morally wrong.

If i thought i was doing anything wrong or was a nasty horrible mean person who didn't care about anyone else why the hell would i post it for the world to see!

I didn't make-up a loot rule here to favour myself a "community rule" is something you have made up on your own guys. I followed the loot rules 100%. The leader and group changed there minds on the rules mid raid when the loot was given out to try suit them best. i.e me to equip the item or pass it to be raid rolled so they would have the chance to make some money.

Trams are more environmentally friendly than trains though right? Because i also like Trains but i worry for the environment so i guess trams are cool as well.

I dont see the issue here, he joins a run, works as hard as everyone else, wins an item thats a legitimate upgrade for his main spec.

And thats it.
What he decides to do with this upgrade is 100% up to him, he could shard it and it would be absolutely within his rights.

re-read the post bless, the loot rules where stated as MS/RR IE main spec then raid rolled out. he rolled MS on an item then sent it to his main character (which he wasn't playing). Which part of this is acceptable? if he had won it via raid roll there would be no problem, he however said it was for his mainspec not stating that he was rolling for his mainspec on a different character. I dare say that in the run there where other people who have main spec tanks on other character, would it have been acceptable for them to roll as Main spec on another char ?

no because they wouldn't have come as tanks. 2 people allowed to roll on the item that dropped me and the other tank as the spec we come as was tank.. once we had the item it is ours to do as we please. I was never rolling on dps or healing gear i have healing / dps alts also.

If i come as a plate dps i would be allowed to roll on plate dps kit, if i come as a priest healer i would be allowed to roll on priest healing kit.

Its fair everyone can roll on the item for the spec they come as then do what they want with it when they get it.

The bit you cant grasp is once i won the loot i was mine to do with what i please. Its not relevant it went to an alt i could have vendor it, sold it or used it. When i won the roll i won the item it was mine for MS to do whatever i wanted with. MS being what i come to the raid as...

The fact i was nice enough to try give the item to the druid even after being called stuff just goes to show it was the leader being vague on rules and me misunderstanding and not knowing what the LM/RL was thinking in his head. I am in no way a Ninja or a bad person here.

I'm a guy that was caught out, and i tried to solve the situation and was flamed by the group so left.

Im sure if he was in the wrong, Blizz would of resolved it.

As it was he wasn't, more the fault of the LM for not clearly stating the loot rules, by stating equip item if won etc

im sure blizz would have not said the loot was mine to do with what i wanted as well.

I think your the kind of person who just wants as much chance as you can to get loot for the toon your on. What i did anyone in the group could have done under the rules the loot master set so hows this unfair?

Everyone in the group put the same amount of effort in they should all be allowed to roll on kit for the MS they come as even if they had the loot and wanted the item to just vendor.

The loot is still won "fairly" and as we know once you get loot you can do what the hell you want with it.

Everyone in the group put the same amount of effort in they should all be allowed to roll on kit for the MS they come as even if they had the loot and wanted the item to just vendor.

Oh really? And what is the reason Blizzard changed the way the automated rolling system changes a BOE item to Soulbound when you roll Need? Exactly to prevent that from happening - people rolling Need on an item they don't really need and intend to use in another way than on that particular toon. And that my friend is exactly what you did.

Now let me ask you this - had to said a minute before you rolled and 'won' the item that this is an alt and if you win you give that item to your main, what do you think would be the result of the roll? do you think that a Master Looter that is aware of such conditions would really give you such item? hence, you DECEIVED the master looter, you deceived the 9 other players in that raid who expected a normal behavior from a fellow player.

I fail to see how I Deceived anyone when it was not put in the rules i even asked for the rules at the start. If anyone was Deceived it was me via Vague loot rules and HIDDEN "conditions" / "community rules" that i was apparently suppose to know.

Btw they only changed the Need / Greed system not the master looter system as its the ML is fine how it is as long as the loot master actually sets the rules out clearly.

It doesn't matter how much you don't like the fact i got the item or your opinion its just an opinion you have. I won the item fairly it was mine to do with what I want. By fairly I mean according to the rules MS>RR. I rolled on the MS I come as and won it.

So if you think I Deceived someone and I should have known the "community rules" fair enough that's your Opinion its not Blizzards or mine. It doesn't really matter as i clearly won the loot fairly if I didn't Blizzard would have taken it from me.

Opinions just don't cut it with loot rules i am afraid. Blizzard rules are what counts as regarding loot. If you don't explain your loot rules correctly at the start and get bit then its no ones fault but your own.

03/08/2011 22:24Posted by Nesh

Everyone in the group put the same amount of effort in they should all be allowed to roll on kit for the MS they come as even if they had the loot and wanted the item to just vendor.

Oh really? And what is the reason Blizzard changed the way the automated rolling system changes a BOE item to Soulbound when you roll Need? Exactly to prevent that from happening - people rolling Need on an item they don't really need and intend to use in another way than on that particular toon. And that my friend is exactly what you did.

I'll think you find, what he did was follow the loot rules that was stated in the beginning of the raid no more no less.

As also stated he tried to remedy the situation as well, but because of the abuse that he did not equip the item, he left the group.

Oh really? And what is the reason Blizzard changed the way the automated rolling system changes a BOE item to Soulbound when you roll Need? Exactly to prevent that from happening - people rolling Need on an item they don't really need and intend to use in another way than on that particular toon. And that my friend is exactly what you did.

I'll think you find, what he did was follow the loot rules that was stated in the beginning of the raid no more no less.

As also stated he tried to remedy the situation as well, but because of the abuse that he did not equip the item, he left the group.

This.

I dont see the issue here, he joins a run, works as hard as everyone else, wins an item thats a legitimate upgrade for his main spec.

And thats it.
What he decides to do with this upgrade is 100% up to him, he could shard it and it would be absolutely within his rights.

Imagine an upgrade for you drops. You win the roll. Shard it. You participate in another run and the same item drops. You still have the permission to roll because it's still an upgrade.

Now replace "Shard it" with "Send it to another alt that can use it" or "Sell it at the AH". Even if it is technically correct according to the loot rules, do you consider it morally acceptable?

There is also no law preventing you from returning lost wallets to their owners after you've emptied them. I don't think people would just go "meh" about it though if they caught you doing that, or if you admitted it, and I doubt stating that no law prohibits you from doing that will make them agree with you.

03/08/2011 20:54Posted by Adamv

The bit you cant grasp is once i won the loot i was mine to do with what i please. Its not relevant it went to an alt i could have vendor it, sold it or used it. When i won the roll i won the item it was mine for MS to do whatever i wanted with. MS being what i come to the raid as...

Yes, you are allowed to do whatever you want with that. One of the points of this topic is to warn people that there are individuals out there who will try to use "holes" in the looting system to give themselves more chances for loot. Because I doubt if the same item dropped again, you'd say "Oh guys, I pass, because I already got this item for my main through this alt and therefore it wouldn't be fair if I also got it on this alt as well before anyone else I party with takes it for their main".

03/08/2011 21:29Posted by Benafflöck

As it was he wasn't, more the fault of the LM for not clearly stating the loot rules, by stating equip item if won etc

You know I can already have an item that just dropped, then switch to a downgrade, and equip my regular soulbound one when the raid leader asks to equip the newly dropped one, right? For every rule that people can state, there is a hole.