Topic Resto haste cap
seriously how do you reach the magical number of 2005 haste... i have pretty decent gear, and im not even close.
i realize that i have 50 int enchant on bracer instead of 65 haste but other than that... im at a loss.
getting both the 378 trinkets and reforging them to haste will help alot, but it will still not even bring me close...
You need to pick up more gear with haste as a base stat - you can't get there just by reforging mastery and crit (trust me, I tried). You can drop some spirit and int to persue your haste - someone has done the maths to calculate how much intellect it's worth dropping to get to 2005, and though I can't remember off the top of my head, it's a surprisingly large amount.
It depends on what gear you have - there is a lot of haste gear that drops in Firelands. I personally have had to drop down my cloak from the rep cloak to the one from V&T norm, and switch my i359 relic to the non-spirit version.
I notice that you still have 2-set tier 11, which isn't *that* great, and am wondering if you have the shoulders from Omnitron and the chest from Magmaw stuffed somewhere?
85 Worgen Druid
Not that hard to get rly...
* Replace your +40 Int gems with +20/20 Int/Haste, if u must even use +40 haste gems
* Sacrifice Mastery for Haste reforge-wise, a few % less is hardly noticeable.
I even prefer 16.28% or more haste for the 0.1 reduces GCD (thus Nourish and HT will cast 0.1 sec less)
Edited by Seadrake on 21/07/11 01:23 (BST)
did the math, if i replace every 40 int gem with 20int/20haste, and re-enchant my bracers, im gona get 225 extra haste, still not nearly enough.
as far as i can see, all my reforges are correct, so my question still stands :)
guess i will have to w8 for the 2 trinkets from revered with avengers, reforge them, then i will be close, but still not there... arghh
seems impossiple to reach it unless you have full 378 (or close atleast) :(
85 Tauren Druid
2005 cap is assuming you have 5%... Otherwise you would need 2745.
This is true. I suggest getting the JP ring, JP relic, and DPS cloak from AoH rep with haste. In raids also aim for items with haste.
First of all, how much haste are you actually reaching if you reforge all into haste? Secondly, you should defenitely get the head from Beth'Tilac, due to this being (in my opinon, our BiS head). That will give you 220~haste or so to play around with. I just recently reached the cap, and you can take a look at my gear if you'd like. You can also get the Living Ember boots, which will improve your haste with alot.
You may even want to spend some Valor Points on the relic, as I did.
This can be a good tool, according to this as soon as I pick up the tier 12 healer chest and tier 12 boomkin gloves I will have enough to reach the haste cap (providing I gain the 5% haste in raid).
Simply load up your character and change the preset to the haste build and play about with the gear options to see what you need to reach that goal.
Edited by Gertrude on 22/07/11 03:45 (BST)
Alchemist Druid, using 2 359 ilvl trinkets but not using the Alch trinket moaning about haste :).
Granted we're now up to 378 (and 391) ilvl int trinkets, but it's accepted that you can lose ~300-370 Int in order to hit the 2005 haste cap and still see an increase in throughput.
With your current gear you'd lose a spirit proc, but gain int, not to mention a funky boost to mana / conc pots.
Your T12 chest
The "Boomkin" 359 relic
The "Resto" 378 relic
The "dps" Offhand from Halfus
The Offhand from Shannox
The helm from Beth
The Boomkin T12 gloves (or the LW ilvl 378 crafted ones) but again definately not the resto ones (I pray you didnt spent VP's on them [or the legs] instead of getting the chest first). Or the Beth gloves.
The LW ilvl 378 crafted boots or the JP (ex VP) ones have a butload of haste on them. definately not your current pvp boots. Granted the Living Embers aren't exactly flooding the AH. But the boots cost JP's now (or ~600g on my server), I'd definately get those ASAP if the Embers is a no go.
I was going to say the Boomkin T11 legs, but you're clearly not going to do that.
T12 Shoulders, failing that the Omnitron ones
Ring slots suck in general, the Chogall ring was nice, and Conclave could drop a very nice undertow ring, but they were as rare as rocking horse pooh.
Without sounding rude, you seem to be taking upgrades for the ilvl with no thoughts to haste, then wondering how the heck you are going to hit 2005 haste with the items you are wearing. You simply have too many items that don't have haste on them, reforging only does 40%, so obviously 60% of pretty much all your secondary stats on gear is not haste atm.
Putting together a resto druid and keeping at 2005 haste can be like a jigsaw sometimes :(. The options are there, and it's doable in pretty low ilvl gear if you select your items wisely.
edit - dunno why that link does that, too late/early to think about it tho :P.
ilvl354 equipped, compared to your equipped ilvl of 368, yet he has more than 2005 haste without getting 194 from the Alch trinket.
I'm not suggesting you replace all your epics with haste blues, my point is that with more planning it's doable with access to very little raid content/items.
Your reforges are correct, your item selection isn't.
Get T12 chest (VP's), the JP 359 boots and the alch trinket. These 3 items should add close to 550 haste, from there it should be doable.
if you want to get socket bonuses use int/haste gems in yellow slots, int/spirit gems in blue slots but please be more specific when giving out advice. Never ever lose a red socket bonus by putting anythign except +40 Int gems in there. Intellect is the must have stackable stat, don't sacrifice this just to try for the haste caps....if you can't get there with reforging then you need to fine tune your gear selection, get trinkets, time Regrowths or ask politely to have Dark intent. With other class buffs for raid groups you should be able to get there fine without sacrificing Intellect.
Edited by Gertrude on 22/07/11 14:19 (BST)
I'm going to disagree with the person with 50 spirit on bracers, 1491 haste and is using a Zen in a blue socket and thus losing another 20 int for 20 mastery :p.
Come to the conclusion that you're either an unplayed alt, or a troll :D
It IS sometimes beneficial to lose Int for haste, infact you can lose ~300 Int or so to do it.
Yes better gear selection would be nice, but sometimes you have to work with what drops, tho I'd be loathe to lose a red socket bonus by socketing 40 haste, but 20int 20 haste would be a very wise move if it enabled you to hit another haste breakpoint.
Not intending to start a flame war, but badly chanted / gemmed person giving enchanting and gemming advise kinda amused me.
Edited by Seadrake on 22/07/11 16:53 (BST)
ok, put on my t11 boots and alch stone, giving me a total of 1659 haste.
regeming my 40 int gems for 20 int /20 haste is something i really do not wanna do... replaceing my pvp boots already cost me like 90 int, ouch.
and about "getting" beth head/gloves offhand from shannox, its not easy at all, as i have to roll agsinst a !@#$ing boomkin and other healers on every slot, making it a true pain to get geared :(
%^-* you blizzard for making healers and dps roll on the same itmes.
im going to get my VP chest next probably, and im pretty close to revered with avengers, so it is within reach, without sacrificing to much int (wich is just stupid in my mind, even if the math tells us otherwise)
thank you all for you great awnsers, really appriciated.
@getrude: thank you for your very indepth awnser, but selecting gear as you said is my problem, is !@#$ing HARD! as i have to roll against 50% of the raid everytyime i want something, but i deffinetly know what you mean.... but you gotta get what you get :(
edit: i can regem all my gear and reenchant my bracer to get 1864 haste, so í simply cannot reach it with my current gear :(
Edited by Azastral on 22/07/11 18:44 (BST)
...If u are rolling against half a raid for it i am worried for ur raid makeup :s leather spirit and haste gear is pretty exclusive to boomkins and resto druids...
I've practically scrapped my resto spec, reduced it to the base rejueve soft cap and thrown everything into mastery as well as restoring some spirit regen...which is about as far from what you should be doing with a druid healer as you can possibly imagine.
I did it for the reason of baleroth(whatever his name is, the fireland boss ... )it makes it a little better suited to tank healing but druids really have their power in the HoT heals/Raid healing, and i'm os heal so its for a specific encounter. that 2005 softcap is pretty much your main goal when gearing.
The 2005 cap is a pain, its true, but getting to it doesnt suit every fight, just most, he's the one boss that a druid is truely crap at healing as damage only goes to about 3 actual targets throughout and even then you shouldnt be healing all of them. But excluding that fight, you should pretty much be looking for gear thats intel spirit and haste for every slot you can, and filling trinkets with intel.
Reforge off spirit into haste or mastery if haste is already present, but this cap is, like previously stated, only achievable with haste as one of the gears existing stats when it goes to most of your items, if not all, as well as being the strongest secondary stat when they aren't equal ( there are items that have for example 100 haste 150 mastery, u dont want it)
This does mean however that you will have to get specific gear items, its the only way to do it, and without them, it isnt worth constantly trying to reforge to it or rotate what items you do have. waste of gold and time, and will only work when u are an item short, maybe two.
Incendic chestguard off rhyolith is great, as is mandable of the clicking menace off beryl-spider thing, passive resistor shoulder off omnitron (tier shoulder and head from t11 carry same stat model as that head n shoulders and give the set bonus to lifebloom).
Using the tier 11 boomkin legs can help, theres the crafted leatherworker gloves (heavenly gloves of the moon, same model as tier 11 healer gloves), crafted leatherworker belt (lightnening lash) and the rep belt (firescar sash).
The achemy trinket is damn useful as well, and the old 346 shadowgale/gale of shadows trinket thing from the cata dungeons (Grim Batol) carries 285 haste and stacking SP (you loose the possibility of an intel trinket but this is probably the best place to chuck that intel away, NOT off regemming, u lose the mana, but only a little SP as the trinket give a costant boost once fully stacked due to the HoT healing nature of druids).
That trink btw remains -wonderfully- useful for boomkins as well for quite some time in certain gear combinations.
The rep cloak from avengers of hyjal is also great (rippling firewrath cloak), but you get my point, you have to get the right items, and i would say ignore spirit once you reach a certain point in combat regen (that will vary depending on your healing habits and intel in the end gearset/buffs so its a case of finding the lowest amount that you can deal with and heal effectively).
I hope that list helps, its obviously not complete but it should be a nice starting point. I havent added it up because i'm lazy but it should give you a massive start on reaching the softcap and most of the gearslots filled. Crit has ofc now brought some value back, so rounding up to the nearest point may help if yours is low but i would say 17 or 18% is quite nice self buffed, 16 possibly as a minimum but its not worth stressing over, mastery is still more constant throughput.
i was exagerrating when i said 50% of the raid for the leather items, then its just 3 persons, me a boomkin and another resto druid (but ive already lost a roll on the head, it went to the boomkin, and crafted boots, it went to the other druid healer), but the offhand, neck, rings and so on is against 50% of the raid as all casters want them :(
again, !@#$ you blizzard for making dps and healers roll on the same items, its beyond frustrating seeing items go to the dps first as i have this wierd idea that healers and tanks should be geared first.... meh...
(not bashing the dps here at all, as the boomkin is our top dps and he deffinetly deserves it, but at the costs of healers its pissing me off)
Yeah shared loot really sucks.
What I/my guild does is openly encourage the ppl rolling against each other to come to some private arrangements, "I'll pass on your OH if you pass on my ring" etc etc. You'll be surprised how many people would rather come to some pre-agreement instead of trusting the "luck" of the dice. I raid 25's with 2 other restos, and 2 boomkins (so 20% on my leather), and then 3 mages, 2 rogues. 2 DK's and a feral (so 13/25 on our tokens), so communication is the way forward.
That said, this also involves some form of planning, as you need to know which items to prioritise, in my case, the beth gloves, the shannox trinket and the tier shoulders. For which i am passiing on the heroic teir leg tokens, the shannox ring, and any other trinket / cloak.
Edited by Ildera on 23/07/11 02:24 (BST)
Very good point
I was going to ask why you didn't want Jaws of Defeat, then I checked your armory and noticed the Shard of Woe.
I've picked up the haste chest from LR and the head from Beth, and I'm planning to sit tight with those and 2-set t12, and wait to find out what logs with the 4-set look like, while the other 4 druids in my raid squabble over tier tokens.
Also having a minor squabble with my guild over having to pay full DKP for sidegrades, despite the fact that if I played balance as well, I could get the same gear at half price - the boots from Alysrazor have already gone to DE because I didn't want to pay full whack for something I might not ever use. I see their point, that we should "think about what we spend out points on" but it's annoying - I don't want to have to reforge my gear just for Baleroc, and then reforge again ten minutes later for Staghelm, and it's making gear choices a little difficult as I can't just swap bits of gear in and out if I'm having trouble making the reforging work. Guess I'm just spoilt - last tier I was the only druid in my raid, and the leather gear seemed to rain down from the rafters, so I was able to build up both a tank and a raid healing set quite quickly.
Edited by Gertrude on 23/07/11 16:38 (BST)
Yeah, one of the "benefits" of loot council, tho my personal preference is a dkp system.
Personally I don't reforge for any fight atm, fair play if that's what you want to do, but imho it's not really required.
and I meant the Shannox Offhand, but it was late / early :P