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When I played a lot of low lvl pvp 2 years ago I could never in my wildest dreams imagine a more unfair and unbalanced game as low lvl pvp was with twinks.

Today it is FAR worse.


At 10-14 level range it is in fact the one player who have the most Heirloom win. Or if it is a rogue, druid or hunter.

The Heirloom is only part of the problem though. The real problem is the damage compared to HP. It can never be ok when any player can kill anyone in 1sec...


I mean have you all tried it? People die in 1-2sec. Rogues will hit a normal geared lvl 10 with 25% damage from each normal melee swing.



I just have to say it again.


Low lvl pvp is pathetic. It is the only word I can find for it and I am very dissapointed on Blizzard for making it worse. They did in fact say that damage would be scaled down pre lvl 70 but in fact the dmage is hogher now than ever before.


To compare lvl lvl pvp with 85, it would be like having 10k hp at lvl 85 with the same damage and healing.


Why not just buff Health in low lvl battle grounds? 2k extra hp at lvl 10-14, 2.2k extra hp at lvl 15-19 etc. Or something like that.

EDIT: 13/08/2011
This topic has gotten a blue response:
<a href="http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2490769057?page=5#87">http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2490769057?page=5#87</a>

We are not deaf to the concerns raised about low-level PvP. We feel it needs some attention too.

The Heirloom is only part of the problem though.

Yeah, we don't necessarily feel that it's all just "a heirloom issue," but more to do with time investments reaping rewards that give too great an advantage.

While we do agree that low-level PvP isn't in an ideal state and has needed further consideration, our focus has remained where the players are: max-level PvP.

We don't intend to throw oil on the flame by such a comment and this doesn't mean we're completely ignorant of niche playstyles, just that we focus our efforts on where it'll have the greatest effect.

What's the answer? We do hear the feedback. When we have looked at the issue, it has simply just seemed too difficult – too tricky – to resolve in a way that we're happy with.

We currently believe resolving it will require much time and effort. But we acknowledge things aren't as great for low-level PvP as they could be and we do have a desire to pay attention to it.

EDIT 13/08/2011: Anyway I think this Blue answer is just what I needed to hear.

They just don't care about this, they will say that they do over and over but just ignore it year after year while the game actualy get worse.

If they just had the balls to say so, dammit just say it "we don't care about anything except 3v3 arena and raids". Just say it!

EDIT 31/01/2012: As of today, nothing have happened. Not a thing...

Yep, we know.

Keeps getting said thousands of times.

And thousands of times you get retarded fanboys telling you to "l2p" or "working as intended" or "PVP is only for 85".

Don't expect much to be done and try to find a better PVP game. I know I am. Saves me a lot of frustration and annoyance.

Even with such low HP, my priests dot do less damage than passive ooc self healing, lol...

Low levels are balanced for levelling for not PVP.

03/08/2011 23:26Posted by Salros

Low levels are balanced for levelling for not PVP.

No, low levels are not balanced at all. The only balance they could be accurately said to have would be that every tank or healing spec can perform its role adequately in low level dungeons. To say that PvE or questing is balanced is wrong.

03/08/2011 23:26Posted by Salros

Low levels are balanced for levelling for not PVP.

It's normal that a Rogue should be able to one shot a Mob or a Player?

You wonder why players are so bad at 85 when all they do is spam up on fotm classes and are just outright clueless.

yeah my damage is perfectly fine, nothing wrong here.

1 shotting in pvp. yeah.

sarcasm mode off

03/08/2011 23:26Posted by Salros

Low levels are balanced for levelling for not PVP.

Excactly how is it balanced in pve?

Levelling is a pure faceroll, nothing is remotely challenging and most classes can just aoe farm all mobs in range.

Tanks do 70-80% of all damage in dungeons and healers often are he best single target DPS. One heal will pop tank to full health from almost dead.

Rogues can drop a elit in seconds but can't do more than a few % of damage in dungeons.

All players can ress and summon.


The only time this game is balanced is when you for example play lvl 85 heroics in ilvl 300-333 gear. Then it is some what challenging, Alos raids is balanced and 3v3 arena, I hear. Everything else is just plain broken and could be much better.

I don't understand why the just don't scale down the DAMAGE.

A flat 50% damage and healing nerf on every ability and attack would be a start. Then keep that up to lvl 70 or so, and increase XP by 50% to even out the slower pace. Then it would be more of a challenge to do quests and dungeons and PvP would be way more balanced.

It would definitely be a start, but it certainly wouldn't be balanced and I for one wouldn't be anywhere near satisfied.

Its all the current expansion's fail. In vanilla wow, people at lv 20 wouldnt even imagine critting for 1k, what now isnt anything special at this lv. Also people had much less, weaker hitting abilities that used to make low lv pvping and questing more challenging and -+ balanced. Now its a different story.

Why do i talk about vanilla? Because low lv mobs' and players' hp pools, damage they deal and defensive possibilities are still balanced for vanilla, what now just doesnt work. We hit much, much stronger than we used to hit in the past. Our skills have very high base damage, whats made for easier leveling i guess. It only shows that blizz really doesnt care about anything lower than at 85 lv.

A rather simple solution would be to adjust heirlooms to still grant an increase in experience whilst having average rather than superior stats for the current level.

LOL "10-14 level range..." For god's sake - LEVEL THEN. You can get to level 10 in about an hour or two of play. If you're crying about people having better gear than you at this stage, you're in for a world of hurt at 85.

So how many priests in BoA's kill you in 1 second? Rogues will kill you no matter what tehy're wearing at that level - the game is not balanced at all at the starting level.

Try levelling to 85 instead of whinging on the forum. If you have an 85 on your account already, buy some heirlooms. It's not hard for anyone with even minimal brain activity.

LOL "10-14 level range..." For god's sake - LEVEL THEN. You can get to level 10 in about an hour or two of play. If you're crying about people having better gear than you at this stage, you're in for a world of hurt at 85.

So how many priests in BoA's kill you in 1 second? Rogues will kill you no matter what tehy're wearing at that level - the game is not balanced at all at the starting level.

Try levelling to 85 instead of whinging on the forum. If you have an 85 on your account already, buy some heirlooms. It's not hard for anyone with even minimal brain activity.

I have levelled over 30 charcters beyond lvl 50, so just shut up u damn smartass. I have played VERY much pvp at ALL lvl brackets and play with 4 different classes at lvl 85 in "best" pvp gear (from BG's, I dont play arena or work for rating). And I have also play with 3 other charcter at lvl 80 in full pvp gear. I know this game very well.

I hate people like you why just say go level. That is what I am doing all the time. But a big part of this game is PvP and it a nice way between dungeons and quest but the PvP is Broken. It is more broken now then ever before.


I pay to play this game. Blizzard have them selves said they would tone down damage pre lvl 70 but is all a lie. I want them to TONE DOWN THE DAMN DAMAGE.

The state low lvl pvp is in now is players killing other players in 1-2sec. Rogues will kill most players in ONE attack. Just listnen to this, ONE damn attack.


We PAY for this game, more than any other game in Histroy, they should LISTEN to us, we do not want low lvl pvp to be like this, I dont think anyone like it. And there will be so many people who will leave this game as soon as a better game is released.


Say what u want about World of Warcraft, but it is a GREAT game, but some aspects is VERY FRUSTRATING with no real reason other than Blizzard is lazy and greedy.


The problem in low lvl pvp is that damage and healing is WAY to high compared to HEALTH. Simple as that.


One very simple way of making this game better pre lvl 70:

Cut all damage and healing with 50% and buff xp with 50%. THAT would make both pve and pvp MUCH better, not perfekt by any means, but BETTER.

Doing some low lvl bg's myself, on a druid and hunter. The hunter at those brackets is retarted, i can kill almost all. But, there is a class thats even worse. Rogues, all you see now a days is rogues, do wsg with 7 rogues (horde side in this case) thats fun. Even on my druid, 3.3k hp unbuffed, i get ambushed for over 2k and then a eviscate immidatly followed for over 1k, how do you avoid that? Stay in stealth all the time? Only move with flare around the bg, so i can move 10 yards every 30 sec? Its retarted blizz, ambush, and vanish, all they can do now a days. I got a lvl 85 rogue, wish it was that easy to win in arena or bg's, ambush eviscate and bye bye dps/healer what ever.

I got an idea about how to balance at least heirlooms.

One of the biggest problems is they have so much more hp but isn't the point of heirlooms just to make it easier for you to lvl other accounts after you have your first 85?

Then why not just create BoA enchants, once you buy one you have the ablility to put it on any item but but after enchanting an item, it's soulbound to your account. (you could use enchanting velum too). The enchants would only be for the head, shoulders, back and chest. They would only be the exp % that they are now. So 10% for chest/shoulders and 5 for head/back.

Some classes you just can't do anything about at low lvls. Such as casters, hunters and rogue. (druids are not any more OP than fury warriors imo). What Blizzard can do is make it so no more than 2 of each class can be in a single BG. This means you can't have 4 rogues or 4 hunters on the opposing team and be thinking "damnit". These numbers of course can't apply to 40 mans but they can for 10/15 mans.

Also you could add a KB cap for lower lvls. I'm in awe in some lower lvl bgs with certain chars with 70 KB in WSG, usually 30ish but i've seen some with 70KB. Some of that has to do with the BoA buffs, some has to do with the fact they have an OP lower lvl class. I'm not sure what would really be fair. I've thought of 100% rez time increase after 20 KB, decreased armor by 200% after 20KB and both of those seem to affect your team too much. So possibly if you hit 20KB, then you get teleported out and summoned by your factions leader and get some sort of honor related award. maybe like 100 honor 50g with a "heros package" with all sorts of awards in it or something.

wanna know how Blizz would respond "Shut up PVP guy" thats their response

personally, im not pvping till 85, i cant call it pvp wen im gettin 2 shotted over and over again...I'm jus waiting for Guild wars 2..gna be along !@# wait by the look of things

low lvl pvp is fun actually. Sure running into full heirlooms doods sucks but sometimes you don't get that many in your group and can have a lot of fun. Every 4th and 9th level i try to get it solely through BGs. You don't wanna get rusty ya knou?

... (only read the first 3 paragraphs - same old crap as usual) ...

Here's the bullet-points that have been spelled out to all the other dozy sods posting this garbage:

Low level pvp is not balanced at all.
Heirloom gear is nowhere near the level of twink gear (it's equiv. of blue gear).
You can level past this range in about an hour of play.
Buy heirlooms yourself if it's making you a sad bunny.
You level a lot faster doing quests, you also get gear and money (2 things you get very little of by trying to level in pvp - stupid idea at low level)
Stop whining.

Oh yeah, and the class you have there is awful in pvp at low level. Awful. You made a very bad choice.
Now run along.