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They should put more restrictions on who can wear old armor sets. Only those that obtained a set at the appropriate level should have the right to appear in it this way. Not people that farmed old raids at lvl 85 just to get the gear.

Why are you demanding the right to dictate how others view the game?

Why are you demanding the right to dictate how you see me?

Noone is demanding the right to dictate how you are seen. Show me one post where someone is demanding the right to see you as say a farmer regardless of how you dress.

Rather, people are requesting the right to see you as you really are, to see what you are actually wearing. Reality in the case of WOW being to see the clothing which is giving your stats as this is WOW's reality. We are asking for the ability to see the clothing that you yourself have actually chosen.

24/08/2011 08:11Posted by Alicè

Nice generalisation you jump to. If you can't accept that this is an MMO and we want our characters to be seen as we want them to be seen maybe there's something wrong with you?

There's definitely something wrong with me, because I don't enjoy drawing attention to me at all cost and I despise people who do that.

I don't necessarily want to disable transmo, I just want to have an option for that.

read about new feature in next patch - exciting!

go to battle.net forums

instantly find whine thread

some things never change :)

24/08/2011 08:30Posted by Vele

There's definitely something wrong with me, because I don't enjoy drawing attention to me at all cost and I despise people who do that.

I would imagine there is if you think people only dress well for the attention. You're assuming people are going to wear a silly outfit when it hasn't even been implemented.
Yes I think a male Orc in a pink dress dual wielding fish would be pining for attention or has an odd sense of humour, but wanting your character to look well and to appear to others as what you would perceive as looking well is not for attention.

Xana 4.2: http://www.wowhead.com/profile=eu.emeriss.xana
Xana 4.3: http://www.wowhead.com/profile=22838513

Which one of those look like a clown? (yes I know 4.3 has some cloth, but let's take that somewhere else ;))

And you want to turn it off for the odd chance that some warlock prancies around in a pink dress?

I don't really see the problem, tho. It's not like you can see who "disabled" it. Unless it's to get attention with "Look I'm a tier 2 Paladin!"

The most important is, that YOU can customize how you want to look like. But does that have to ruin others who like to watch the new gear?

Also.. "What If I want to be an awesome Farmer"-Yada yada. I can't see when that's necessary in a dungeon, BG or raids. Of cause, it can be fun, when running around and doing nothing, but If people want a disable button, then why not? - You can still get your attention-requirement at those who didn't disable it.

I don't say that I would disable it, actually I bet I would use it, but I would have no regrets against those who don't want to see my "set".

23/08/2011 15:45Posted by Alicè

Can you just restate them to refresh my leaky memory, then?

We have already said that making a disable button would make the servers more laggy as every armor set have to be loaded twice on the server, Once for the transmoggied version and once ofr the original. What you are asking is for them to make the game more laggy for EVERYONE to appease YOU and the small group of ppl thinking like you

I (we?) want people to see our character as we see it. If you uncheck show cloak, no one sees your cloak. That's how it should be for transmogrifier.

You've already been told silly items won't be available for transmogrify. (not that it will stop people using them, or do you just want to disable other players, too?)

The more customisation in an MMO the better, this is a character you generally spend a lot of time on and effort, for someone to be able to uncheck a box and see you in a different way is just wrong.
If someone thinks Tauren look silly, should they have an option to change them into Orcs purely for their own game?

Signed.

If people need gear to see how good someone is, just use the inspect button.
Btw, all the cata tiers look godawful and I wouldn't want to be caught dead in them.
But enjoy your mix of red firelands gear with blue T11 rocks, making you look like a fail rainbow instead of something nice.

I personally believe that t12 heroic version (for rogues atleast) is on par with blood-fang, and ill probably end up using it later on in the game once i get a complete set.

I find it odd that I read rights to look like this and rights to look like that thrown around in discussions about transmogrification everywhere, like it's some deep and complex issue. I mean, isn't that a liiiiiiiittle over dramatic?

What's wrong in choosing what your character looks like? A disable button would just make no sense to me at all. So, you're worrying about people showing up in clownsets and 'ruining your view in the game'? Well, I see people with red chestpiece, bright blue shoulders, a glowing yellow cloak, a blue Nazgul King helmet and an axe with a skull. And then, that's supposed to be a paladin. Well, that's a clownsuit to me.

While the sets which make up these tiers look great (well, taste is very subjective, some like tier X and some dislike it of course), often you will not wear a full set, just look at non-Holy paladins and their boots choices, they will stand out like a sore thumb.

I know for sure that I rather see the occasional rogue with a fish than the rainbow warrior clones I see everywhere now.

I firmly believe that the amount of people actually making 'serious' sets will -far- outweigh the occasional silly outfit. I mean, do you really think that people playing a fantasy roleplaying game are more interested in looking like Santa Claus, rather than one of the few thousand cool armour sets?

I think the 'real game' argument is ridiculous as well, every armour art is part of the 'real game'. I think some just want to show endgame epix. And hey, you have to have them to show them, so all your red/green/blue/pink excuses for colour schemes are perfectly safe :-P

When I created my character long ago I clicked paladin, and I shall look like a paladin if you like it or not. The dawn of the fashion collector shall arrive, glory to the Overlord set :-P

Noone is demanding the right to dictate how you are seen. Show me one post where someone is demanding the right to see you as say a farmer regardless of how you dress.

Rather, people are requesting the right to see you as you really are, to see what you are actually wearing. Reality in the case of WOW being to see the clothing which is giving your stats as this is WOW's reality. We are asking for the ability to see the clothing that you yourself have actually chosen.

Well, I do not like the the tier 12 set very much, so you demanding that you would see me in it, despite me hiding it, may as well be you demanding to see me in the farmer set, which I don't like either.

If you want to see my progression while looking at my clothes, then this does not work very well right now either. While looking at me you can conclude that I have been in some Firelands trash runs and downed Shannox by luck, also I have gotten the leather shoulders from BWD. Rest of the things I might have bought with justice points. Does it really tell you how much I have raided?

When I finally equip my tier 12 chest and gloves, then I will look like a clown, seriously. Black chest and gloves with bright blue shoulders and pants, not something nice to look at, and it will not tell you about my progression again, as you can cap your valor points with troll heroics now. So, why exactly do you need to see me in my raid gear? It is not always very nice and it will not tell you anything about the player.

Of course, if a 'disable' button did exist, what would you see? Mismatched and garish outfits, surely? At least if you see the mogged version you are going to see something that has been chosen to look good.

I find it odd that I read rights to look like this and rights to look like that thrown around in discussions about transmogrification everywhere, like it's some deep and complex issue. I mean, isn't that a liiiiiiiittle over dramatic?

What's wrong in choosing what your character looks like? A disable button would just make no sense to me at all. So, you're worrying about people showing up in clownsets and 'ruining your view in the game'? Well, I see people with red chestpiece, bright blue shoulders, a glowing yellow cloak, a blue Nazgul King helmet and an axe with a skull. And then, that's supposed to be a paladin. Well, that's a clownsuit to me.

While the sets which make up these tiers look great (well, taste is very subjective, some like tier X and some dislike it of course), often you will not wear a full set, just look at non-Holy paladins and their boots choices, they will stand out like a sore thumb.

I know for sure that I rather see the occasional rogue with a fish than the rainbow warrior clones I see everywhere now.

I firmly believe that the amount of people actually making 'serious' sets will -far- outweigh the occasional silly outfit. I mean, do you really think that people playing a fantasy roleplaying game are more interested in looking like Santa Claus, rather than one of the few thousand cool armour sets?

I think the 'real game' argument is ridiculous as well, every armour art is part of the 'real game'. I think some just want to show endgame epix. And hey, you have to have them to show them, so all your red/green/blue/pink excuses for colour schemes are perfectly safe :-P

When I created my character long ago I clicked paladin, and I shall look like a paladin if you like it or not. The dawn of the fashion collector shall arrive, glory to the Overlord set :-P

By far, the best reply in the thread yet. I salute you good paladin.

What I don't want, is the playerbase to do the artdirection for my game.

It's a good thing then that no players have anything to do with gamedesign. After all, every item is designed by a professional. That won't change.

Your argument is that people will look like clowns. But the only way they can look like clowns after 4.3 it's because they've farmed a clownset before 4.3, and if that's the case then they already look like clowns. I honestly don't understand the problem.
You also keep coming back to the argument "it doesn't affect you that I turn it off". Well, it doen't affect you if you leave it on either. What other characters look like has zero impact on your gameplay.

Altho, all these things have been said before. This thread's been going in circles for several pages :p

Ladies and gentlemen, I am sorry to announce that there is no more cheese left for the non-stop whine.

From now on, it's Twiglets.

I don't even understand why people want to defend mogging like Blizzard is proposing it. You are still forced to wear the actuel items if you wish to have your custom look because the restrictions are too severe. It also forces people to once more redo old content and I think Cataclysm has enough of that allready...

Mogging option 1
No restrictions on armor/weapon type, stats or orange color + Give players and opt-out button

Mogging option 2
Give dyes!!! This way you can make your outfit match in color or give your complete outfit another color. Roleplayers can still dress up in custom gear like they always could.
You can make them craftable by alchemists. Give herbalists an active skill like smelting for Miners. Make it purchaseble with tokens from daily quests. Or just sell dyes from an npc so that it remains the gold sinkhole you intend it to be.



I'm also very disappointed there are still people who want to force others to look at their outdated looks. It's your game so dress up any way you want, but it's also my game so let me choose if I want to see that. It's called a compromise people and if you can't do that, stop playing WoW emmediatly and get some irl skillzzzzz because compromising is needed if you ever want to work in a team.

If you look at my armory you can see that I'm not a hardcore raider who hates casuals and that I'm not a pvper who wants to find easy targets on a battleground. I'm just your regular WoWplayer who does his MF dailies, VP cap each week and if possible do a quick BoT or BWD.
We're not your enemies who are trying to take away mogging. We only want a safeguard to prevent what it will 100% certainly do to WoW as has been proven by all other MMO's who introduced custom character outfits. We're not saying you will be the idiot who looks stupid, we're saying there will be 9 other idiots who look stupid.

I wonder why Blizzard decided not to include Legendary Items into Transmogrification.

This feature would finaly bring some sense into those hard to obtain legendarys again. Right now they are burried in some bankslots beeing almost forgoten.

It would be the coolest thing about transmogrification and its a big mistake not to allow legendarys for it.

Sorry for my poor english. Need more practice 8(

certain items will not be available to transmogrify, including fish as weapons, and other items such as frying pans,



[item="Spider Splatter Mace" /] Why wont you allow me to use that? Why cant that be a weapon?

Bloody item link difficulty.. I'm just giving you a link instead: http://www.wowhead.com/item=62178



Just do it like this (remove spaces after/before opening/closing bracket):
[ item="62178" / ]
Spider Splatter Mace

Ohh, thanks mate.

We only want a safeguard to prevent what it will 100% certainly do to WoW as has been proven by all other MMO's who introduced custom character outfits

Please tell us what it will '100% do', and what other MMO's have proven.

I don't see -any- drawbacks with this at all, only positive things. We'll get more customization, old raids and dungeons will be brought backto life, and casuals that can't/don't want to join raiding guilds can get complete and goodlooking sets without gimping their stats.

If the only negative thing is that you -think- people will dress like clowns, then that is simply too weak of an argument. I -think- most people will prefer equipping gear they think looks cool over gear they think looks stupid.


But fine, let's spend another 5 pages talking moaning about what we think might happen.