I would guess that it will bring a rather generous boost to fire dps and some slight mechanic changes on arcane and frost.
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FoF procs work with frostbolt again
28/09/2011 04:01Posted by ShemyFoF procs work with frostbolt again
FoF procs work with frostbolt again
= Utterly destroyed frost pve - Without the ability to hold on to FoF-procs for when we need them, competitive frost pve is a goner and that would really be a shame as frost is currently the most engaging and rewarding mage spec.
but every class needs a spec for PvP(...)
(...) for mages it has been frost, our 1 PvP spec should not suffer at the hands of PvE
Who taught you do play frost? While it is (most of the time !) a dps increase to BF-FFB on proc without FoF, it is certainly not true the other way around!
No Shemy, with your idea Frost Pve would go something like:
Frostbolt spam for 30 seconds
if BF-proc: BF-FFB
else goto start
Then it should be a utility spec like the pvp soul in Rift: A spec that amount other things provides the functionality of resilience and the pvp trinket as well at general buffing of abilities vs other players, but does not bring any enhancements to specific spells and mechanics, like wow talent trees currently does.
I find myself missing any rational justification on your part of why Frost is "the pvp" spec over any other specs.
YOu have just said that frost is pvp spec, that your suggestions are minded towards making frost so and that you really don't care if you destroy frost pve in the proces ("Our one pvp spec should not suffer at the hands of pve") - how on the face of Azeroth are you then trying to keep us that actually enjoy frost in pve happy? Shall we just go and play arcane?[/quote]
28/09/2011 02:50Posted by TayenIf done correctly, damage nerfs to Frost without compromising PvE and Impact moved higher in the fire tree. A few other changes would be nice too but Blizzard are too stubborn to separate PvE and PvP so they're not possible.
1) You continue to contradict yourself. YOur premise is that Frostbolt consume FoF, hence we cannot have FoF-stacks available for movement except for extreme strokes of luck, and your whole argument sorta falls apart
2) Your argument for why Frost is the pvp spec for mages is an appeal to tradition. I realize that we are dealing with descent with modification here, and as such we are stuck with having some pvp-favored mechanics in the frost tree. That however is no argument why the two other trees can't be made viable in pvp to or why Frost pve viablilty have to go yonder for that matter.
3) I am not the one trying to limit mage trees to one specific role. You are. I'd gladly see all three mage trees viable in both pvp and pve, along with every other tree in every other class. I might even have a few ideas to how it could come about (but you are not interested in hearing them, I gather, but lets just say it involves having resilience behave like mastery, adding general and unique pvp utility to each tree). It is you who cling to the idea that there should be one tree in every class that is "the pvp tree", whilest forgetting to mention exactly how this should play out for Paladins and Druids.
This is getting increasingly off topic, so I will halt it here - reply to this post if you wish. I hope I at least have managed to demonstrate why the original point of dispute - FoF-consuming Frostbolts - is a bad idea for frost pve dps and fun-factor.
28/09/2011 16:33Posted by TriariiIf done correctly, damage nerfs to Frost without compromising PvE and Impact moved higher in the fire tree. A few other changes would be nice too but Blizzard are too stubborn to separate PvE and PvP so they're not possible.
No offense but can we please stop it with the frost pve thing.
Screw frost pve, make it dedicated pvp tree, you can't have it both ways, and I'd rather have them fix fire for pve and frost for pvp, then just screwing it up yet again.
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