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I got totally paniced when I saw this!
I have been leading my guild for almost 2 years now, I'm 100% ok to let some1 else take over the roll if I haven't been on for 30 days, but what if I come back after 40 days and want my guild back? Is that totally up to the current guild master? If some1 just pretended to like me just to get to an officer rank, can he just kick me out of the guild and all my work to get this guild up was for nothing? I like this idea, but I can't understand after I've been reading this, r the original GM still able to get his roll back if the current GM want to keep his roll? Hope u have time to answer this, thx! |
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This tool changes very little. A friend of mine took over a guild, when the leader was inactive for over 30 days, by raising a ticket. This tool just means no one has to raise a ticket and bother the support staff in order to take over the guild! My friend was not even an officer, as they too had not logged for over 30 days.
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Edited by Alyssà on 01/10/11 19:34 (BST)
Cool story bro! Sadly i'm tired of trying to make sense of it, i couldn't find anything that resembles an argument for this arbitrary exploitable system, just lots of the same random crap once again. And here you go, this alt has since been race changed and got my mains name with á at the end instead, http://web.comhem.se/redsspace/999999.jpg |
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quite simply... just log in once a month!
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Imo this is a terrible idea. The reason why it is terrible? Well Assisting GM?
Also what if no-one is allowed to take Money from GB except GM, and then suddenly the 800k gold in the GB goes that the GM has been saving for ages? Bring in the suits. I think the GM should just be notified and if they are unable to access WoW, they must have a Phone Number/EMail. Just notify them, and if something happens they can make someone assume command. I deny use of this catastrophic fail! |
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Edited by Elvinrose on 01/10/11 21:10 (BST)
The issue isn't members going on vacation or work commitments as long as his guild leader and team mates are happy with this arrangement. If you don't want to sign on for months on end then don't be a guild leader let someone who can sign on more frequently be one. And a family member living in the same house using the same ip is ok. If you didn't want the responsibility then why be a guild leader. |
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Edited by Alyssà on 01/10/11 21:23 (BST)
If you don't want to sign on for months on end then don't be a guild leader let someone who can sign on more frequently be one. And a family member living in the same house using the same ip is ok. That's where you are wrong, having anyone log in to you account is a breach against the ToS, only exception is a parent that has created an account for a minor. And it's not about wanting to be a GM and being away for months at a time, it's about having the option of going away for more than 30d at some point without having to kick each and every player from the guild, you have to agree that it's a worse situation having GM's all over start doing that when ever they want to go on a longer vacation. Not to mention the issue that was pointed out a bit back here, the ranks in guild can be renamed and organized in what ever way you see fit, i remember having ranks in between ranks just because it would be a pain in the !@# to move everyone up or down a rank, how does this system know how I as a GM planned my ranks? |
If you don't want to sign on for months on end then don't be a guild leader let someone who can sign on more frequently be one. And a family member living in the same house using the same ip is ok. Btw try use proper skins of default blizz, and that is just a 3lvl guild i really don't wanna imply how you managed to gather all that 1M gold lol, is in the end just a personal bank Anyone would be stupid letting ppl in it that they don't trust it with such amount if you did it "All alone " And Point still remains same, People follow The person behind the player not the Guild, so if you don't have enough trusted players in "officer" ranks or wtv rank is there next after you, and feel afraid for your position to be stolen from you then just suck it, or kick all or have faith that they followed you and will follow when will get back again. or else wth of a guild did you had till now that can get clear in your head, wast it a Dictatorial Despotic guild? or a friendly fair one with Good Fair Council behind the Guild leader? Don't know your self what ppl was under your hand that you your self putted there? Really in how many way to tell it to your brain to understand is all you, not others are the problem |
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Edited by Ibreakoaths on 01/10/11 23:26 (BST)
Can I suggest a vote system. A guild leader can choose as many can vote when he becomes inactive.
Ranks that can only vote must have atleast 20% members of the max guild members and can only be changed by leaders (From the time it was done. If it has less than 20% members of guild after some time, it will still continue) Within 10 voting days after 30 days of guild leader inactivity, the members can elect 5 members to be candidates. After 5 days, the 5 people with the highest votes become candidates. The next 5 days the person out of the 5 people with the highest votes becomes guild leader. By doing this, it would avoid people taking guild leadership just to ninja their bank and would let other people the chance to give someone temporary leadership someone trusted. To stop alts from voting, only ONE character per account can vote. (Very unlikely someone would have 2 accounts anyway.) --- Stuff that might work -- When there is a temporary guild leader, he has all of the powers of a normal guild leader but must obtain 10% of the max guilds players votes to access bank tabs for high ranked people for items. Example: A wants to withdraw 10 stacks of elementium ore and 2 stacks of maelstrom crystals. Everyone in the rank gets a notification to accept or not. If yes votes pass by 70% / 100%, the items are withdrawed and sent to the guild leader. Also, when there is a new guild leader, the original guild leader would get a notification to his email saying there is a new guild leader. If he does not take leadership in the next 90 days, the new guild leader gets "full" guild leader rank. If he does, he must play at least 5 hours a week, 1 raid boss done at least every 2 weeks for 2 months to get his "full" guild leadership back. This would stop guild leaders logging in and out for one second JUST to keep it, and let motivated guild leaders take it. |
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Edited by Evalyn on 01/10/11 23:02 (BST)
Two possibilties
Yay finally back on WoW after my computer broke Yay finally back on WoW after being ill So when you get in game.... Hang on, wheres my guild gone? Oh, can I have leadership again since I did work so hard on it? "Lol no" Inb4 flame, yes it can take over 30 days to get a PC replaced, when my broke they ended up sending it to Taiwan and I was without it for 2 months |
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Two possibiltiesYeah must be terrible, and I guess this will happend in a lot of guilds! :S |
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It will pass to your next highest ranking officer so people need to stop whining, if you do not trust the highest ranking officer in your guild then you're doing something wrong.
Also if the highest ranking officer doesn't let you back to GM you only have yourself to blame. One question though, what happens if the say top 3 highest ranking officers in the guild are inactive? or if the GM's alt is the second highest ranking officer? |
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It's already like this. I became guildleader of my current guild like this. This new feature only automates it. When your current guildleader is offline for 30 days plus (from what I know entire account) then the next most eligable player can request it, to get it passed.
In our guild it wasn't a bad thing though. Since I became GM we got our own website, teamspeak 3 server (running on my laptop), our own forum. We started raidind and are now half way FL. People get a good amount of daily repairs. Our guildbank is always full with expensive and really usable items etc etc. As GM you should be responsible in some ways aswell. A guild with a AFK Guild Master is really not that great. Anyway, as said the only thing changing is that it is no longer needed to open a ticket for this. |
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rofl ppl !@#$% just to ^-*!@, ppl moaned for ages just to have this sort of tool implemented now it is u all #$%^- negatively.
seriously no wonder most wow players dont use these forums its the cesspit for rdf players, wat i read on these forums is enough to put anyone of this excellent game u lot r a bloody disgrace |
rofl ppl !@#$% just to ^-*!@, ppl moaned for ages just to have this sort of tool implemented now it is u all #$%^- negatively. Probably not the same people you know, not everyone can agree, but thanks for being so constructive adding lots to the discussion. |
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Edited by Maxon on 02/10/11 01:58 (BST)
Funny days we are living... I am a GM of an Anachronos guild, loging daily but have my wonders like any other GM.
Please consider the following thoughts: 1. Blizzard should be proud and trully appreciate people willing to become a GM. It's a lot of time involved especially when you build also a website, pay for a voice server etc. 2. Members are the blood of a guild, but it's GM's vision that will lead that guild where it is now. HIs ranking system, his spirit, his ways of doing things will attract or not members. 3. 30 days is a long period of time? What about definition for 4 years of leadership? Ages? btw.. 4 years of paying my subscription (in advance), not to forget also that. 4. There was a time when you were playing this game to relax after work... now I have to give answers in my own house.. OK... If in the 29th day of inactivity I log in for 20 seconds.. will this solve the inactivity issue? Or the members will have the same frustration as they had till this moment. What will they think? "Damn... 1 day missing to usurp this bad GM". Btw.. how do you define 20 seconds? 5. When you go to an extreme (this is an extreme measure), GMs will find (trust me) extreme measures aswell. Kick? Disband? Human nature, nothing more. Drama at a step further. 6. I trust my officers but who knows who is really behind? everything could happen. OK, you will be usurped.. Next officer gets leadership and because of a bad day he disbans the guild... well? Surprise, instead of an inactive GM, you got almost an dictator who kicks everyone etc etc.. Do you know what might happen? Nobody knows. Do not ask something you do not know very well. Solution, as a constructive member of this forum. Dear Blizz please focus on real issues (ranking, recruitment, content), as for this issue use 60 days with a notice in the 30th day to GM.." Hey! Are you OK? Still alive? Please log in the game, still 30days remains till usurpation :)". Drama? It's Pandora's box now with this feature. |
Funny days we are living... I am a GM of an Anachronos guild, loging daily but have my wonders like any other GM. Nothing changed at all ffs just learn to read. Only change now is that its automated. |
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Edited by Maxon on 02/10/11 10:50 (BST)
@ Toekta
"Nothing changed.. only change" Relax pls, it changed cause it became automatic. This is the imediate major change. It changed 'cause now it is official like in other games of this kind. In the past it was less used and when it really needed to be done (GM for different reasons does not show up for a really long period of time).. And it will become an abuse automatically very soon if it stays on 30 days. Stop pls insulting ppl saying "just learn to read", try to see some moves further like in chess. This is what makes a difference between a player hiding behind a character of lvl 10 and a GM having some wonders about this new, cause it's new in interface with 4.3 starting. It is a need for this feature, BUT make it with your head, do not implement it like you have done with the recruitment feature which is done only by half (improvements are still to be done). |
