To all the "Just let them win already" guys:

90 Tauren Warrior
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Well I didnt join to "just let them win" you bunch of lazy, good for nothing -insert profanity-.


Dont join a battleground if your not willing to try to win till the end, either it be good or bad up untill then.

Achievements like "win this bg after being 500points/2flag caps behind" are there for a reason, because they can be achieved. So grit your teeth and push on because you just never know.

Its the moment people start saying "let them win" that realy hammers the final nail in, you never see guys trying to inspire and such.

.... thats my rant over.
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80 Night Elf Priest
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It's in 95% of the cases more honor by giving up a battle and let it end faster ( normally cause the grp is bad or you face a premade ). Giving up is the best option for honor and less pain.
The old ''die with honor'' is just useless to go by, as it often turns out to be ''I died with honor, did not kill a single enemy and I was served on a silverplate as a free HK''.
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90 Tauren Warrior
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30/10/2011 22:30Posted by Lunasu
It's in 95% of the cases more honor by giving up a battle and let it end faster ( normally cause the grp is bad or you face a premade ).


If thats true, which I hope it isnt - but knowing blizz it probly is. Then I could probly say with about 80++% certainty that the players who do want to give up dont know about that. And they are just quitters.

If the battle is drawn out over the entire time period then surely the losing team should get more honor than if they gave up and let it end quickly. Once again though this is blizzard and PvP we're talking about here.
Edited by Alagix on 30/10/2011 22:45 GMT
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80 Night Elf Priest
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Thing is, as you get honor for a loss in random BG, it makes it more profitable to loose instead of fighting. And since the queues are short, they are most likely to get into a better team.
You may be right about that some players are quitters, but frankly, this game is tuned for 12 year olds and in PvP Battlegrounds has no place unless they involve RBG balance, apart from that, Arenas is what you shall focus on in PvP since blizzard only balance the game around that, which is a shame imo.
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90 Blood Elf Paladin
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Besides, why give that five-man Ruthless arena team more free honor? Although I do sometimes go for making them waste more time instead...
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90 Tauren Warrior
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Yeh it's kind of weird balancing it around arena, when logic would say more people play battlegrounds. Alot of things need be addressed in PvP atm, what Im talking about probly isnt even on their radar.

Can only hope with MoP, and its aparent focus on the Alliance Vs Horde persona, some things will get sorted out. At the end of the day is it not meant to be the main idea of the game; two opposing factions fighting it out, with minor incoveniant bad's getting in the way - such as the LK.

I remeber the intro video for vanilla, all that talked about was the two factions and the war.
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85 Undead Rogue
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30/10/2011 23:07Posted by Cyrenie
Besides, why give that five-man Ruthless arena team more free honor? Although I do sometimes go for making them waste more time instead...


Why the hell do you think ppl in ruthless join for honor...
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85 Orc Warrior
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Well I didnt join to "just let them win" you bunch of lazy, good for nothing -insert profanity-.


Dont join a battleground if your not willing to try to win till the end, either it be good or bad up untill then.

Achievements like "win this bg after being 500points/2flag caps behind" are there for a reason, because they can be achieved. So grit your teeth and push on because you just never know.

Its the moment people start saying "let them win" that realy hammers the final nail in, you never see guys trying to inspire and such.

.... thats my rant over.


Why drag a certain loss out, when you can get a new bg with a chance of winning?
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85 Night Elf Druid
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30/10/2011 23:11Posted by Alagix
Yeh it's kind of weird balancing it around arena, when logic would say more people play battlegrounds.

I was also thinking that
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82 Tauren Priest
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Thats because many people dont join BGs to PvP anymore these days, they do it for points and rewards. Unfortunately that kind of behaviour promotes bad teamplay and botting. So seeing skill and good fights these days is rare while moans and whines are getting more and more common.
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90 Undead Rogue
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31/10/2011 04:15Posted by Carathis
Besides, why give that five-man Ruthless arena team more free honor? Although I do sometimes go for making them waste more time instead...


Why the hell do you think ppl in ruthless join for honor...


to buy stuff.. mats,looms, jp etc
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80 Night Elf Priest
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Yeh it's kind of weird balancing it around arena, when logic would say more people play battlegrounds. Alot of things need be addressed in PvP atm, what Im talking about probly isnt even on their radar.

I remeber the intro video for vanilla, all that talked about was the two factions and the war.


Classic PvP never had arenas, and tbh, even though 1 shotting happened, I still liked that more. Less CC, maybe som OP spells like instant pyro and ambush, but frankly, I take those anytime compared to the overpowered healing / CC pvp we have today.

I have since TBC felt sad that the balance of PvP comes by arenas, a part of PvP that barely 20% of all PvP players play for real and not just for pts to get gear.
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90 Night Elf Rogue
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Like I always say "quitters never win" sadly my brother is a quitter and has been known to quit soon as the first flag is dropped.

I guess bg's could use a new feature to stop gy camps, a vote to end game for the losing team.
End it fast with no de bluff.
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72 Orc Warrior
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I agree 100% with the OP.

I have been playing BGs since the day they were implemented, and before that I was pushing and tugging in Tarren Mill - Southshore

Once there was 0 penalty involved in actually afking out of a BG, which people took advantage of and left the rest with uneven battles on their hands.

I have NEVER, not ONCE, gave up.

It's not because I don't want honor, it's not because I am not chilled out, it's because in all these years of playing this game, the stories that remain are those that we managed to win against all odds. Heck, I even have a couple that we lost that stick out.

Like the time EVERYONE else afked against a premade and I remained alone in AB. So I kneeled at farm and waited as the alliance capped base after base and finally pouring in from every direction. The second the first alliance was in range, I charged and did everything in my power to not let them cap the farm. I failed. But as I was charging and fearing and whirling, they mind controlled me and one by one started saluting me.

Or the time we were 3v10 in wsg against a premade, they entered the flag room and saw the other 2 sitting in front of the flag. I actually went and picked theirs. The promptly killed me and then decided to fool around and as the other 2 in my team started dancing for them in front of our flag, so most of them got naked and danced in front of the flag with them while their... fully clothed runner was capping flags.

Warrior vs 0 Armor and stats. Oh yeah.

I went to our roof so that I could check things out before being instagibbed, saw what was happening and dropped in via air charge. Slaughtered some before they killed me. As I spawned, I did the exact same thing, only this time I get MCed and spammed with "L2P YOU FECKING EBAYER" emotes by their team leader. A NE with nothing but his fancy pants on.
At this point, their FC was running the flag alone, so I go after him and I return the flag twice (at 2-0).

By now I was really getting on their nerves, but for some reason they kept trying to troll me.
Their team leader and two more decide to escort the final flag home. Only they still wanted to kill me with their panties on. So I attack and through all the CC and slows and whatever I manage to kill the EFC, return the flag, kill one of the crazy naked people, and getting their team leader down to 5% before they manage to kill me, all the while emoting me like mad.

And as I lied there, their team leader realized that he has deep wounds and rend on him. And that he is on his +0 stamina thong.

I still remember the frantic running around of this NE in a thong as he tried to find a way to survive through the dots. There was none.

After that they proceeded to gank the hell out of me with all their might, actually postponing their win on my behalf.
You know what? I don't even remember that, what I remember is my warrior's Arcanite Reaper... reaping their naked arses and a NE in a thong moving erratically in all directions for dear life, before going facedown.

Then again, I was on an RP-PVP server back then, we were crazy like that.

But let me get back to what I am trying to say.

Even with my "never give up" mentality I gear up pretty easily nowadays, honor points are pretty easy to come by and not giving up might slow down my honor point gain by 2% but the potential for fun is worth more than that.
Gear will come and go, all I care about when it comes to gear is that I have a fighting chance. The rest is just lay back and have some danged fun. Even when losing, even when the tank has 4 healers on him and never goes below 90% HP. Who cares, I have fun trying to find a way to beat that, and if I don't, oh well, I did my best.

Random BG battles are RULED by mob mentality. And for 9 out of 10 battles, mob mentality is what wins or loses the game. Not gear, not individual skill. Now, each time you take the time to type "just loose", first of all you are making no sense because loose is the opposite of tight and second of all, you are influencing said mob mentality a great deal towards losing.

The reason you lose is because you are not trying to win. Pretty obvious eh? The thing is if you are actively trying to win and fail, then it's on you. YOU tried and failed. And there are a great deal of people out there that can't handle that and instead chose to stand apart of the rest of the team adopting the mentality "It's everyone else's fault we are losing". And they need you to know that. So they type and type and type, never realizing that in the end they contributed most in losing than any other member of the team.

Do I get farmed at GY? Sure. Just yestarday on my mage I played a nice streak of 3 BGs where the entire team scored 1-5 HK. Not killing blows, HKs, as in the total amount of deaths the alliance had. But I have also played games where I was on the other end. So big whoop, who cares.

TL;DR: Don't chat about giving up. It's bad for winning.
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A long post that can be broken down into 1 sentance: I have my own opinion.
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85 Gnome Mage
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01/11/2011 10:16Posted by Executìoner
A long post that can be broken down into 1 sentance: I have my own opinion.

You can do that to basically every post on the forum though, everything is someone's opinion unless they're quoting factual data.

I don't say let them win, I just go AFK instead and assume I won't get kicked. Granted I won't AFK if there's a slight chance of winning, but if they're 2-0 up in a WSG and have our flag half way towards their base with no signs of resistance, I may just go get a drink.
Edited by Tayen on 01/11/2011 10:35 GMT
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22 Troll Rogue
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I always give up when things are lost. What's the point in trying to win if you are playing with noobs, bad people, or bots? I PvP because I enjoy PvP. Not to waste my time with a bunch of idiots that managed to get gathered in high concentration in a particular BG.
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