Topic Enhance shamans totally rule
Notno
Karazhan
Notno
1 Gnome Warrior
0
Edited by Notno on 14/11/11 16:51 (UTC)
Apart from when you fight a plate wearing dk, who also happens to have some serious magic mitigation. And can heal.. and has a pet.. and renders imp earthbind useless.. and does faceroll dmg.

That aside we are fine.. other than when we meet a mage who can lolkite us all day because we are forced not to use frostbrand due to the dictatorship that is are talent tree.. ofc we have imp wind shear/totem to mitigate their dmg.. on the 1% of mages who forgot/did not know about sp. Fake cast.. win win. We do have wolves though.. they sure help lick-melt ice block. Did i forget to mention that when we do finally get close.. are ''you must be doing dmg to stay alive'' mealstrom procs (or lack of).. kinde bounce off shields?. Damn i forgot sheep/silence.. oh yeah... thats because they dont need to use it.

So those 2 aside we are fine.. other than when we meet a ret who does more dmg in a 6 second wing stun than we can do in 30 seconds. Not to worry though.. if his faceroll dps does not win the day.. a 70-80k heal crit will be ample compensation.

So those 3 aside we are fine.. apart from when we meet a rouge who may aswell be a popet master.. with his multiple ways to controll/reset a fight.... or run from you when he realise his green weapons equiped to mock you.. did not cut the bacon. HEAL DURING REST!!! i hear you scream.. and then he jumps just as the 3rd heal completely oom's me. Mealstrom ''agressive'' mechanic ftw.

So, those 4 aside we are fine. Apart from when we meet a warrior.. who needs no special skill cap in order to save the day.. a wolf fear (they always seem to run the opposit way = no trem) kinde seals the deal.

So, those 5 aside we are fine. Apart from when we meet a warlock.. lul, must i explain.

So, apart from those 6 we are fine. Apart from when we meet a hunter (a good one at least). Spend more time burning snakes and ghost wolfing out of slowing traps than anything else. Do i look like an arctic snake exterminator?.

So, those 7 aside we are fine. Apart from when we meat a ferel.. like the warlock lul.. need i explain.

So, those 8 aside we are fine. So.. it is fair to say that when we are fighting other enhance shamys WE RULE!. Apart from when he has better gear.
Karnum
Outland
Karnum
85 Orc Shaman
1695
Yawn learn to play buddy. At most frost mages, rogues and dk I find difficult not impossible. If you seriously have problems with locks this is not the spec for you.
Denkedenk
Scarshield Legion
Denkedenk
85 Tauren Shaman
11485
Warlocks, ferals, frost DKs, boomkins, mages (any other than frost maybe) are just munchie-material for enhancement shammies. I agree on that fact that good hunters, good frost mages, good rets and good warriors kick our asses. But enhancement shammies rock.
Frostaxe
Blade's Edge
Frostaxe
85 Tauren Death Knight
4275
Dks, Warriors, Frost, and Hunters i can totally understand, espeically hunters cause they have a lot of snares and earthbind doesn't always get the job done.

u should own warlocks cause they have no survivability and their CC is based on fear (tremor totem ftw)

u should beat Druids, any kind, espeically boomkin

u will have a hard time with rogues, cause they can disarms and cc and stuff, but mostly cause they can dodge your attacks, important because if they dodge u don't get maelstrom faster and so u don't get heals (AND U DIE!!!)

u should wipe the floor with shadow priests, tremor physic scream, trinket physic horror, and wait for the disperse to run out.

u shouldn't lose against ele shams, and u should ground/interrupt their bursts and earthbind their frost shock.

But if u are not a good enh shaman; u don't know how the class works; all, ALL of these classes will wipe the floor with u.
Mallerna
Bronze Dragonflight
Mallerna
85 Draenei Shaman
6025
Edited by Mallerna on 14/11/11 21:07 (UTC)
Maybe he ment arena when it comes to locks and ferals?

But yeah when the opposite class you faceing gets to the same skill as you are... you are most likly screwed. I do find feral easy time to time also Spri and ele shammies are the easiest...
Foku
Tarren Mill
Foku
85 Orc Shaman
0
Aah you fooled me, you are good! I almost thought I'd read something positive on the Shaman forums.
Notno
Karazhan
Notno
1 Gnome Warrior
0
I know this class more than most of you can.. and what i know is they have broken it. We are forced into putting everything into the lava lash/ft setup... a single physical ability. Where is the utility and choice any more with frostbrand to free up nature dmg bonus not frost shocks?.. where is the possibilitys to hybrid spec as a heavy magical dps source?. The spec now force fully into 1 single style with pure physical at the front... and as always the physical depends on procs/stacks... the usual enhance rng crap. Are survival also depends on rng proc that rely on constant combat dmg.. i can not think of any other class that MUST have this condition in order to stay alive.

The enhance shaman always sucked at anything other than teaming up with a OP burst class (like old bm hunter.. ret etc). Their is strong reason for this.. we suck so much in medium-sustained survival that we need the fight to end as fast as possible.

We have less survival than a rogue.... a class that was suppose to die after a failed jump. they certainly do anything but that.




Shamaanizor
Tarren Mill
Shamaanizor
85 Tauren Shaman
4715
Apart from when you fight a plate wearing dk, who also happens to have some serious magic mitigation. And can heal.. and has a pet.. and renders imp earthbind useless.. and does faceroll dmg.

That aside we are fine.. other than when we meet a mage who can lolkite us all day because we are forced not to use frostbrand due to the dictatorship that is are talent tree.. ofc we have imp wind shear/totem to mitigate their dmg.. on the 1% of mages who forgot/did not know about sp. Fake cast.. win win. We do have wolves though.. they sure help lick-melt ice block. Did i forget to mention that when we do finally get close.. are ''you must be doing dmg to stay alive'' mealstrom procs (or lack of).. kinde bounce off shields?. Damn i forgot sheep/silence.. oh yeah... thats because they dont need to use it.

So those 2 aside we are fine.. other than when we meet a ret who does more dmg in a 6 second wing stun than we can do in 30 seconds. Not to worry though.. if his faceroll dps does not win the day.. a 70-80k heal crit will be ample compensation.

So those 3 aside we are fine.. apart from when we meet a rouge who may aswell be a popet master.. with his multiple ways to controll/reset a fight.... or run from you when he realise his green weapons equiped to mock you.. did not cut the bacon. HEAL DURING REST!!! i hear you scream.. and then he jumps just as the 3rd heal completely oom's me. Mealstrom ''agressive'' mechanic ftw.

So, those 4 aside we are fine. Apart from when we meet a warrior.. who needs no special skill cap in order to save the day.. a wolf fear (they always seem to run the opposit way = no trem) kinde seals the deal.

So, those 5 aside we are fine. Apart from when we meet a warlock.. lul, must i explain.

So, apart from those 6 we are fine. Apart from when we meet a hunter (a good one at least). Spend more time burning snakes and ghost wolfing out of slowing traps than anything else. Do i look like an arctic snake exterminator?.

So, those 7 aside we are fine. Apart from when we meat a ferel.. like the warlock lul.. need i explain.

So, those 8 aside we are fine. So.. it is fair to say that when we are fighting other enhance shamys WE RULE!. Apart from when he has better gear.
Dks are easy fights just dont let them kite mages cant kite if you can actually play your, Ret paladins just glyph shamanistic rage it takes the stun off and purge wings that easy and then trink rep rogues are a counter you just need good strategies for warriors easy to beat them warlocks are super easy
Lorux
Balnazzar
Lorux
85 Orc Shaman
11920
So, let me address your L2P issue here:
1. DK AMS use Ghost Wolf and grounding his death grip so you minimise damage during this bubble.
2. Mages are an issue, yes however spec'ing into the talent which freezes if they are x yards away i heard helps...
3. Right when the ret stuns you, use Shamanistic Rage (with Glyph) then dispell his wings problem solved.
4. Rogues aren't that challenging you just have to time your CDs offensive and defensive well and then they can be quite easy.
5. Warriors can be difficult to beat but not impossible, you seem to think without wolves we've lost, you are sadly mistaken, when he pops his CDs such as recklessness, Ghost Wolf, Frost Shock and the wolves would be back from the fear in time before any serious damage can be dealt.
6. If you can't beat a warlock damn. Interrupt Fear, Shamanistic Rage out of the debuffs, Tremor the instant cast fear, use Feral Spirit Dash when they teleport easy.
7. So i heard magma totem can kill low hp mobs, yo (slight dps decrease but it means he has less control over you with the slowing posion)
8. Ferals can hit like a train but CD management can win it over really, timing your trinket right to get out of cyclone and such.
9. an Enhance vs Enhance should be equal cos well you are both in the same position.

TL:DR: L2P and Stop QQing.
ßroly
Boulderfist
ßroly
85 Blood Elf Paladin
2555
other than when we meet a ret who does more dmg in a 6 second wing stun than we can do in 30 seconds. Not to worry though.. if his faceroll dps does not win the day.. a 70-80k heal crit will be ample compensation.


srsly lol never heard of purging wings then just kite with wolfs? surely our herp derp 80k crit WoGs can be done when we cant even land a hit to generate hp and especially when u purge our sacred shield...

Rets should be free cookies for echance.
Dfsfsfg
Eredar
Dfsfsfg
1 Orc Shaman
0
Edited by Dfsfsfg on 15/11/11 09:06 (UTC)
Yes ret. is easy for enha. 1vs1, probably the easiest of all .. (we can not purge sacred shield btw.) .

Sub. rogue is the only problem 1vs1, but that spec is really hilariously OP atm, especially 1vs1 if a player is good (they are really bad 95% of the time) !
Do not feel bad if you lose a duel against good sub. rogue as enha. shaman !

Everything else is quite easily defeated 1vs1, its just to bad that enha. is not good for 3vs3 like he is 1vs1 ... :(




PS. warriors are the problem for enha, lol really ?

I watched like 10 duels between gladiator ehna. and his arena buddy, gladiator warrior, and shaman won like 9 of 10 times ...

I can not understand how enha. can lose against warrior 1vs1 if he has at least half a brain ?
Notno
Karazhan
Notno
1 Gnome Warrior
0
Edited by Notno on 15/11/11 16:23 (UTC)
All are wrong. You are only playing the noobs of the classes.

And i tell you this is not for the 1v1. In 1v1 i beat all with my skill.. only with gear differance is loss.
Karnum
Outland
Karnum
85 Orc Shaman
1695
Really prove it so and log your shammy.
Foku
Tarren Mill
Foku
85 Orc Shaman
0
All are wrong. You are only playing the noobs of the classes.

And i tell you this is not for the 1v1. In 1v1 i beat all with my skill.. only with gear differance is loss.

I bet you are killing them with your awesome spelling skills
Cielol
Outland
Cielol
85 Draenei Warrior
7175
Actually im wondering how to beat a Enhancement Shaman, anyone can give a friendly tip how to effectively dominate them in a duel like setting?

Best thing ive done is using Sweeping Strikes, Retaliation and cleaving down the wolves as fast as possible since Shaman seems to take no damage at all for awhile.
Notno
Karazhan
Notno
1 Gnome Warrior
0
Actually im wondering how to beat a Enhancement Shaman, anyone can give a friendly tip how to effectively dominate them in a duel like setting?

Best thing ive done is using Sweeping Strikes, Retaliation and cleaving down the wolves as fast as possible since Shaman seems to take no damage at all for awhile.


When he poping the wolves use throwdown and then fear, he watch as his wolves go away. Run away.. then bladestorm to stop him from imp frost shock and keep moving away. He may see blade and not want to get into that dmg.. so gives you more time. If you can get the interrcept at this point good. Then put on the shield untill wolves finelly go. Back to your weapons and fight!!.

See.. i know this. I am invincible... apart froma warrior who know what to do!.
Karnum
Outland
Karnum
85 Orc Shaman
1695
A good shammy will kite you like crazy basically making you bladstorm out of his slows and roots. He will trinket your throwdown and tremor your fear. I always save my wolves for a recklessness and stun them.

I know your pain though as my other char is a warrior.

Only advice i can give is to go super offensive at the start before he has maelstrom stacks built up to heal himself.
Dfsfsfg
Eredar
Dfsfsfg
1 Orc Shaman
0
Edited by Dfsfsfg on 16/11/11 08:44 (UTC)
All are wrong. You are only playing the noobs of the classes.

And i tell you this is not for the 1v1. In 1v1 i beat all with my skill.. only with gear differance is loss.



"I watched like 10 duels between gladiator ehna. and his arena buddy, gladiator warrior, and shaman won like 9 of 10 times ..."

1vs1 is not balanced, no matter the skill !

Equally skill level enha. will not lose to anything except sub. rogue or hunter (if there is no los) everything else is a cake walk !

For example you should never lose 1vs1 as a warrior vs wlock or spriest or as the frost mage vs ret./warrior ..

And why do you hide if you're so great, and skilled ?


Im not, thats why am posting on lvl 1, but i at least do not claim to be a some kind of gladiator like you ...


Actually im wondering how to beat a Enhancement Shaman, anyone can give a friendly tip how to effectively dominate them in a duel like setting?


You can not dominate him in a duel, he's just stronger 1vs1, the most that you can expect its that some bad shaman make some mistake ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=679m3rHL6cw

This was before when warrior had 8% more damage overall, 100% armor penetration with colossal smash, overpower off from GCD and dont forget "1 shot macro" (deadly calm and recklesness together) !

This was also before enha. shaman dmg. bufs ...

Now its far worse for warrior ..
Kriegsherr
The Maelstrom
Kriegsherr
85 Dwarf Shaman
3310
I don't get what your whining about. I did a couple of BG's in the gear I am in atm (not even good PvE gear, let alone PvP gear...) and found I could beat quite a lot of different classes/specs. I think a lot of 'm didn't have the latest PvP gear as well, but still.
Karnum
Outland
Karnum
85 Orc Shaman
1695
Enh is fine nothing more nothing less. Really looking forward to 4.3 and 5.0 changes.

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