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Discipline priests have over 40-50% of their healing come from their PoH and the divine aegis that comes from it.

I don't see why our 30% is a problem.

Orly?


... My logs show more like 70% >_>

Well,I assumed that part of the divine aegis comes from other heals as well,but since you insist I won't say no. :>

Discipline priests have over 40-50% of their healing come from their PoH and the divine aegis that comes from it.

I don't see why our 30% is a problem.

I agree totally... Even though PoH is our spammable spell, not an instant CD spell.

This is one of the reasons Discs are so incredibly boring to play, in my oppinion. I hate spamming PoH if raidhealing, or GH/PWS mostly tankhealing. I miss the Holy rotation. I do think penance is too weak though, considering it is a CD spell and Discs signum spell.

Also, I do think PoH+Aegis is much too strong in it's current form, the Aegis lasts too long, it should be 6 sec like PoH glyph, no more. Discs are way too good at tankhealing to be that good at raidhealing aswell as having the strongest niche in game; absorbs and mitigation.

On top of that mana is brainless as Disc almost... I forgot to use mana CD's on most fight today. I don't even have to do it anymore, but I do have a lot of Spirit since I once in a while can go Holy.

As disc overhealing actually pays off in form off Aegis! That is totally ridiculous... Spam PoH/GH & some bubbles while "rest phase" and you have a blanket of absorbs on the raid. Very rewarding.

These are my thoughts... And sorry, but I have to vent them somewhere. Rather annoyed after so many weeks in FL as Disc...

To be honest,having been playing a priest myself for whole wotlk,I think the wotlk model was much better. Discipline could easily compete with paladins for the tank healing spot and holy was a beyond competitive,versatile and flexible raid healer with great rewards for playing it correctly.

Then they added a raid cd for disc and buffed their PoH,something that makes them versatile at,well,everything...somehow along the road they managed to tone down divine hymn a lot (although they will overcompensate next patch...) which further made sure that holy would be left behind.

But I got to admit you're a bit overzealous about holy Drena...

Pinus, you know what we did today? We skipped hiding behind meteors on Alyz (hc) Firestorms, since we lacked range dps to bring them down (they were all flying), we just stacked in middle and popped 2CD's every firestorm. This is how far raid CD's took us. And still we had CD's for the AoE ground phase to spare.

I never said Holy was bad, they are awsome! So fun to play, challangeing, never boring.

Just Disc is better and Druids have raid CD and outheal us most fights. That's all.

I just want to Imprint into the Devs minds what some healer priests have gone through these last months, so they won't make the same mistakes twice. Yeah, I am very angry about it, cause it is just so unneccessary, would've been easy to fix earlier.

Well,skipping a whole fight mechanic is beyond ridiculous...but that's another issue altogether. I miss the raids where a mistake equaled death no matter what.

At least next patch will fix the raid CD issue for holy,maybe a little too much,but in fact it doesn't solve anything. It's just an illusion of a fix instead of an actual solve of the problem.

Yes, it is really time to tone it down with the CD's. Don't remove them; in WotLK CD's had "normal" importance. Now it means !@#$ all.

Actually,that's not exactly the problem alone. It's also how the fights actually require you to use them,like for example beth.

But on most fights of TBC and wotlk,this wasn't the case. The cooldown was most of the time your choise and the reward was up to when you decided to use it. Good choise,good reward. It actually felt like it was more than "ok,let's relax now,we got a cooldown used".

Drena that's more because of the nerf rather than anything. With bubble up you can survive firestorm without any healing afaik, as long as you're full HP at the start.

Actually,that's not exactly the problem alone. It's also how the fights actually require you to use them,like for example beth.

But on most fights of TBC and wotlk,this wasn't the case. The cooldown was most of the time your choise and the reward was up to when you decided to use it. Good choise,good reward. It actually felt like it was more than "ok,let's relax now,we got a cooldown used".

Well, CD's are all about planning ahead now, not to overwrite or lack them at some point. How interesting is that? Yes, it was very much fun to decide yourself, as a healer, when it is time for that lil extra.

16/11/2011 22:55Posted by Halaberiel

Drena that's more because of the nerf rather than anything. With bubble up you can survive firestorm without any healing afaik, as long as you're full HP at the start.

Nah... the raids Hp went dangerously low even with 2 CD's (1 mitigation+Tranqs) + spamhealing.

HAHAHA!!! This is awesome. The best thread ever made. You guys should change the title to-

"Come look at all the cry-baby Druids"

I bet you will hit the thread post limit in 2 days :D

I love it

I'm playing druid now in cata.

The wg nerf was needed, tbh.
If only they fixed us pvp-wise, we are more then fine in pve. And will be in 4.3

Discipline priests have over 40-50% of their healing come from their PoH and the divine aegis that comes from it.

I don't see why our 30% is a problem.

Hmm, because WG and PoH is exactly the same, right?

While I agree with Drena that PoH + aegis stands for a too big amount of disc healing, comparing PoH+aegis to WG doesn't really work. Back to the apples and oranges thingy

17/11/2011 14:44Posted by Doktorn

While I agree with Drena that PoH + aegis stands for a too big amount of disc healing, comparing PoH+aegis to WG doesn't really work. Back to the apples and oranges thingy

Exactly why may I ask? So that you don't find it nerfed in the same way?

If you say that something that takes 30% of my healing output is ridiculous and then something takes 60% of yours,I call it hypocrytical to say the least.

And don't tell me that PoH is harder to use compared to WG...sorry,I've been playing a priest myself for the whole previous expansion. It's equally mindless when it comes to using it.

Exactly why may I ask? So that you don't find it nerfed in the same way?If you say that something that takes 30% of my healing output is ridiculous and then something takes 60% of yours,I call it hypocrytical to say the least.

Nah, as I wrote; WG is an instant CD spell, pretty brainless, like CoH.

PoH is a raid healing priests bread and butter, spammable, Disc don't have any other grouphealing spell, so.. It is your Rejuv kind of.. But it is not comparable.

Still agree Disc PoH is too strong (the absorb part atleast).

Drena,personally I find PoH as brainless as WG.

You just click each group in turns. That's it. There is nothing "special" about it. Let's be realistic.

Let's not hide behind our own thumbs,shall we? Both spells are fairly brainless when it comes to using them.

Meh.

When all you have is raw HPS, a nerf like this one is pretty shocking.

I also don't want my Druid alt to have "utility". I like the fact we're unique in the sense that we only bring raw heals to the table.

I'll leave utility to this alt, and my Shammy alt.

Edit
Also, quite frankly, I'm beyond caring now.

Thread after thread after thread of endless QQ'ing. Ego after ego vying for attention and vindication. This is the aspect of WoW that's making me want to play less, which is wholly ironic for an MMO.

Blizzard have had... six years to get balance? And have they come anywhere close? Probably as close as they're going to get. Let classes have their expansion highs (Druids were awful in WotLK, remember? Now we're great in Cata, probably not so great in MoP).

Eventually, with all the endless bickering and QQ'ing on the forums - every class will become exactly the same with exactly the same cooldowns because a Druid wanting Pain Supression, or a Shaman wanted Lay on Hands.

Boo-freaking-hoo.

It's the players that will be the death of WoW, not Blizzard themselves.

Players wanting their spec to be better in PvE or PvP. What happened to vanilla where your spec dictated your playstyle?

Druids? Top in PvE? Great! Doesn't bother me as I don't do PvP as a Druid.

Shamans top in PvP? Great! Doesn't bother me as I don't do PvE as a Shaman.

Frost Mages suck in PvE? Fine! Because I go Arcane for PvE...

Blizzard's "bring the player not the spec" is totally wrong - and only the players are to blame for wanting this.

Each day I go to mmo-champ in hope for some Resto shaman updates and every single day I'm disappointed. This is starting to really wear me out..

As for druids, I wouldn't worry too much. If it really should turn out, that they are collectively benched and excluded from kills, I'm sure Blizz will hotfix them. I really wish I could say the same for Resto shamans, but Blizz has neglected this spec for a whole addon now. So if shamans again will come out at the bottom of healing next tier (which is very likely after I've seen some logs now), I'm sure they will do nothing about it.


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