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The Ideal Warchief
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They had considerably greater numbers, resources and magic powah' back then. Plus, the human kingdoms were completely unprepared.
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Edited by Ramani on 06/12/11 16:16 (GMT)
They had considerably greater numbers, resources and magic powah' back then. Plus, the human kingdoms were completely unprepared. Exactly plus, that "Zerg rush" tactic didn't work in the second time. Allaince had greater technology. |
Actually it would have worked and was on the verge of working until Gul'dan took a huge chunk of the Horde's army away |
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Well, I think we should keep it as Garrosh for now, becaus he has flaws, and I can see him making one big screw up, and after Thrall's talks with them, Baine and Vol'Jin will be there to catch him, give him an inspirational speech, and then Garrosh will become a good warchief, (I hope) still with flaws, such as a little bloodthirsty like his father, but at least he'll know who is allies are.
Other than Garrosh, however, I'd LOVE Rexxar to come back, or at least for him to do SOMETHING, I mean he saved the God damned Horde for Christ's sake! Without him, the Horde would be almost destroyed by now, or at least certainly not as powerful as it now is by a significant margin. |
well if you want to argue betrayal then i point out the only reason the horde were remotely sucessful is becsuse alterac allowed the horde to go straight through their land and even supplied them and helped try and cause uprisings. its all their in warcraft 2 |
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Edited by Fellicent on 08/12/11 10:57 (GMT)
No.
She's lost every fight she's been involved in before creating the plague.
This is a common misconception. Acting all evil and malevolent does not make you sly, cunning, manipulative or whatever. Sylvanas is fairly terrible at strategy.
Her tactics: Attack it. If it's not dead, use plague. And never giving up victory isn't a good trait to have as a leader.
Actually, it was Naga. Naga tend to have murloc slaves, so they were only a piece of the puzzle. Not to mention they were led by a Naga Sea Witch. Blizz don't make that bit very clear. EDIT: Also, while I think Vol'jin would make a good Warchief, I don't think he would want to be, as some of the Horde aren't too friendly with the trolls, such as Blood Elves or Orcs after the whole Garrosh fiasco. Saurfang's getting too old to lead, Rexxar isn't cut out for being a leader. I've no idea really, Garrosh may become a decent Warchief but it's gonne take a long time. |
have you quested in darkshore before cata? |
no excuse either way. in troll starter zone we see the sea witch and she is stated to be te one who caused so many darkspears to be killed. people with at least a basic level of reading would know the trolls were not crushed by murlocs and even if they were murclos attack in huge numbers and the darkspear are a small tribe |
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Vol'jin... no doubt about that
but..... I actually think that there might a chance of the Horde being leaderless for a while... Not for long but for some time. But... If you follow some of the traditions about passing on the title of warchief, I'd say that the biggest chance might be Vol'jin. Like... Garrosh challenged Thrall for a duel. since this fight was interrupted the fight was sorta post pone. Thrall then decided to pass it on to Garrosh of some weird reason ( I think it might a like a lesson, so that Garrosh can learn what it means to be a leader). But since the title is given to the victorious of a duel between the warchief and the challenger, I think that Vol'jin will challenge Garrosh for leadership of the Horde during the Seige of Orgrimmar, a duel which he will win (yay!) |
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Edited by Veréshya on 26/04/12 11:11 (BST)
Garrosh Hellscream..
Reasons: - Other leaders don't like him. Win-win for faction development. - He's against demonic methods (look at Ashenvale). - He isn't a hippie. - Most important: Expansionism and aggressiveness fit much better with the Horde races. Tauren are the exception and why should their ideology dominate the Horde? |
Worked the first time because King Llane was assasinated and thus the Alliance was in complete disorder. In Warcraft 2 many of the Kingdoms were outright refusing to fight, Alterac even turned onto the others and the Elves stayed out of the whole thing as long as possible. Another important factor that one has to take into consideration was that it wasn't the Orcs alone. They were supplied by Goblins and assisted by the whole might of the Trolls and Ogres. Also they were infused with the power of the Burning Legion to begin with. And that's not even mentioning that they managed to enslave the Lifebinder and thus had dragons on their side to further bolster their ranks. |
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Edited by Soltharn on 26/04/12 12:05 (BST)
I'd call that faction derailment more than anything else. There's little development to be had in having entire races opposed to one another in the same faction, especially considering how Sylvanas and her blackmail of the blood elves has turned out. Something that will no doubt never be addressed, considering the lore team see fit to paint Lor'themar as idle and incompetent at almost every turn. The ideal Warchief would be someone who...well...isn't Thrall and isn't Garrosh. Both rely heavily on extremes, with Thrall being too peaceful and Garrosh being too bloodthirsty. A tactical leader who is presented as being competent in battle tactics and who actually cares for the Horde as a whole rather than orcs alone would be ideal. Someone who isn't afraid to take heed of the advice of his allies, or offer aid when they require it, yet take action if they step out of line to prevent another 'Sylvanas' scenario. |
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An ideal warchief?
A dead one. |
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Edited by Veréshya on 26/04/12 12:47 (BST)
If it wasn't for Garrosh.. Vol'Jin, Baine, and Cairne would all be sitting idle doing nothing. Sylvanas and the forsaken were ignored during Thrall's reign. It was a matter of ''don't ask don't tell''.. Where was the Horde development in all those years?????
I do agree that the blood elves need a more central place within the Horde. They are the most popular race. They have vital magical knowledge and their mages are superior to the other Horde races. They had their own campaign, goddammit. Orcs and forsaken too and look at their development? But who of the three is nr.1? That's right.. Get rid of Johhny Awesome's, blood elf females crying endlessly over a dying orc in LK dungeon, blood elf males portrayed as ''ladies'' in ''funny'' Badlands quests etc. Remove that spineless leader we have now and make Rommath the king of Quel Thalas. We need a blood elf with the right attitude to lead the belves, and he's a mage too. |
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The ideal warchief? Garrosh. All they need to do is make him less obnoxious and less prone to letting his temper get the best of him.
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There is no 'ideal' Warchief. At least not in Warcraft at the moment.
Thrall always was too peacefull for his own good Garrosh is too hot-headed for his own good Vol'jin would just be another Thrall Saurfang would try to fight 'too' honourably, and we would probably loose a fair share of battles because of it. Sylvanas doesnt care about the Horde At the moment, out of all these characters, Garrosh is the 'ideal' Warchief for the current war with the Alliance. During peace we can have AFK Thrall back, when we are on the winning hand we can have Saurfang and when we are losing...well, we can let Sylvanas have her fun with the plague. But now, when its relatively even, we need Garrosh to lead us to victory. Note i left Vol'jin out of it, he would make an awefull Warchief. And i find Baine a bit young to be Warchief(he has proven himself an excellent leader of the Tauren though) |
