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4.3 pvp = ele is sitting duck
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It's kinda mind blowing that there is still no decent defensive ability for elemental shamans after a year into cataclysm. Even after admitting it yourself that elemental mastery glyphed is crap. The argument that MoP will fix it is even more crap, it's gonna take at least another 6 months were elemental shamans are the sitting ducks in pvp vs melee.
With the upcoming healing debuff and the increased amount of damage due to increased stats relative to the total health pool, it's gonna make it even worse. Not to mention rogues with legendaries ... I don't mind having weak defense, I do mind standing no chance at all vs a player that is far worse. A rogue/feral/dk have a nearly guaranteed kill on elemental shamans. Not to mention that the first 2 have the advantage of stealth. Ele shaman is as far as I know the only spec without a defensive cooldown in the game. The solution is simple: buff glyph of elemental mastery to at least 50% dmg reduction. |
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indeed, thunderstorm "our so called only def spell" is also useless with the tons of gap closers the root is still no working like i should -.- totems still have health, most of the time my searing totem just dies by hitting some one.... Earthquake... trollol.
tho i am going to play ele this season. about earthquake again, dmg increased by 75%, really? with that amount of mana it drains and the amount of time it takes to cast it should have a 100% chance to knock some one down and do 7500% more dmg |
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finally someone that agree with me...
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I didn't disagree with you, I just said the problem isn't as big as you make it out to be. You talk about 1v1 a lot, and that's never been balanced. |
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i talk also for 2v2 :)
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a year into cata...asuming that you also play a year minimum than.... is it realy hard to understand for you that wow pvp aint balanced in 2v2?... its said 1000x by blue and 10000000x by the community... were gods in BG/RBGS awesome in 5s and with a lock we doing well in 3s... altho!!! i do agree we should have a defencive cooldown would be fun play 3s with other classes beside a lock for ones |
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Edited by Ràmpàge on 29/11/11 18:08 (UTC)
Consider this.
Elemental shaman is the only ranged dps'er that has No defensive cooldown. In a matter of fact, elemental is the only spec that has no defensive cooldown.Don't tell us its not true because it is. So consider this dear blizzard, elemental shaman has huge burst when they can pull of something but if you get trained constantly by mindless dk's that are just winning by facerolling on there keyboard while we need to keep ourselves alive through a silly root that gets resisted a lot for some reason. A shield from our GLYPHED stoneclaw totem that absorb 16K damage(wich is the same as at the start of cata). And for 20% damage reduction we need to sacrifice our glyph of hex while we get less cc but some stupid glyph in return where we need to use our offensive cd to get less damage. There are good stuff to though, like thunderstorm (lilke that a lot) but its just. How can we survive when these things are down?!We just don't have a defensive cooldown of lets say 2 minutes. Solution: Earthquake, 40% base mana, instant, 2min cooldown, 15s duration Shaman summons a powerful but localised earthquake that progressively slows any targets in the area of effect ultimately stunning them for 2s. In addition, targets become increasing vulnerable to nature damage whilst in the area of effect. If the shaman is within the area of effect of the earthquake the attunement to natural energies bolsters the shaman's physical toughness reducing physical and nature damage taken by 50%. So this would be a very good solution for the defense in PvP and for the compensation for the PvE nerf on fire elemental.So this is a spell for PvE and PvP as wel lAnother problem is the mana regen in PvP. When we go low on mana its hard to get mana back.So solution would be. "Elemental shielding" (don't know a better name) Instant cast, 10% base mana This spells has 2 sides. - Lightning shield: When the spell is used with lightning shield you gain 5% damage reduction for both physical and nature damage. Increasing with 5% for each charge of the lightning shield. Consuming the extra charges in the proces. - Water shield: You gain instantly 30% of your total mana back while your water shield has 3 stacks. Reducing with 5% for each less stack. So the thing with lightning shield is that you need to chose between burst or survival since our burst is pretty high.And for the water shield we can get a lot of mana back when we desperatly need it on those long fights and in PvE as well. This won't be very handy fur PvE as my earthquake idea. These are just some ideas from me that acctually could work. I don't ask to implement these changes but its like we are lacking some stuff. Note: All these things are not available for resto |
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i like ur ideas but abort em. ghost crawler talk about class balance but will NEVER do sum thing for us.
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i wonder why we're even wielding a shield :X
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"Elemental shaman is the only ranged dps'er that has No defensive cooldown.In a matter of fact, elemental is the only spec that has no defensive cooldown.Don't tell us its not true because it is." I think you forgot Boomkin they are in a much worse state then elemental shamans.
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I think you don't know your class very well Snusarn. You have barkskin, bear form and nature's grasp and then you have your Hot's to help your healer a bit. |
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blizzard need 2 add one thing that would fix ele - NO GCD ON ROOTS!
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I'm pretty much done with this.. that's why i'm rolling enh this season! total shame of the thunderstorm though.
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I know there's something terribly wrong when a Shadow priests gets critted by a LB after this cata in pvp by 7-10k max. That's bull!@#$, honestly. not to mention that we are STILL useless against all melees. And you know what? That's half of the classes. Back at WOTLK we were quite equal with other classes and we were happy about it. And now? This class still needs ultimate skillcap to actually try and win a derpy facerolling DK in BG.
And as the above posts have said, we still lack that defensive ability. We got no stun either expect for the silly wolves. Every single other class has some sort of silence/stun/incapacitating ability and we have only hex and wind shear. I love to play my class, and I thank you for the no CD chain lightning, I do, but that's not simply enough. Fix this class, please. |
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You could just... Y'know, get a team. And use Skype... And have them cover you while you unload Chain Lightning into everyone's face?
Bit like I do, and it works. Thank you Jamming and Agnayi for being amazing meat shields <3 |
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Just a little list of talents/spells i find defensive listed in a totally random order. Dinged this shaman recently just for playing ele pvp.
Glyphed Stoneclaw 16k absorb each 20 secs Earthbind slow (and if lucky roots) You wear a shield - Take a resto druid in full ruthless and compare his armor to the armor on your shield alone Hex Thunderstorm (35 sec w/glyph) Tremor Shear the caster cant be defensive...ITs just not helping anything..Dont do that! (Irony) Frost shock Grounding totem Spark of life (+6% healing done and 15% more healing taken) + Spiritwalkers Grace run and heal Instant wolf Elemental Warding -12% magic dmg taken + the random racials, rocket jump, gift of the naura etc etc. |
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Edited by Fleetey on 06/12/11 09:53 (UTC)
None of those cooldowns help when you are getting tunnelled. It is far too effective for people to stay on an Elemental Shaman, because you'll completely lock them down and with no cooldowns to reduce damage, it makes life very hard on anyone trying to heal us.
Your dps will be limited to instants because if you cast, you face the very likely scenario of getting hit with an interupt that locks down all your spells. Most other classes / specs have some option to turtle, to help alleviate the pressure. Elemental Shaman (I'm not forgetting about you boomkins) do not. Our heals are poor, cost alot of mana and you're reliant on crits for them to be effective (in addition to the fact that our dps drops to 0, unlike other classes with their self healing), thunderstorm is "erratic", earthbind remains bugged after an entire expansion, hex relies on a cast, it goes on. The problem with Elemental Shaman, is that we're in an expansion where everyone and their dog (or Monkey) has an interrupt. We're a strongly dependent casting class in an expansion which simply makes it very hard. At least healers have their survivability to back them up. I know the next expansion trees are hardly written in stone, but it is more than just coincidence that Astral Shift (a cooldown that helps us turtle up) and a totem which allows you to ignore interupts suddenly pop up. Quite why something couldn't have been tacked on to Spirit Walking in 4.3 I don't know. |
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Edited by Skánk on 06/12/11 11:00 (UTC)
I've stopped reading and looked up your stats, 128k HK's, good job there, but 60 3v3's played. My response was too OP's statement of the lack of defensive cd's for ele, your talking about you can only cast instants because you fear a lockout. Stick to topic and save your other classes can interupt, while i only have a 5sec cd interupt thats ranged-story to your grandkids
Cant disagree more... |
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I am one of those elemental shaman who reached 2,2 in s9 (played only for fun in s10 ~2kish was highest this season with some friends/alts) And trust me elemental shaman is utter !@#$. Elemental shaman is pretty much only viable with a paladin healer to the sheer damage we take from melee's. We need that def. cd since %^-*ing wotlk and we still dont have it. Fakecasting only solves so much as I am on 10% hp when I can actually get a cast off. When I get kicked on nature school: I cant windshear, I cant heal, I cant thunderstorm, I cant even change to ghostwolf. so what can you do 0,0. And the best thing is if you are up against a retard melee and can get away in ghost wolf-> drop earthbind to instantly start casting lavaburst you see the !@#$ing earthbind missing. That's awesome %^-*. Really. MOP talents look so lackluster at the moment for elemental that I probably will reroll back to my paladin.
Season 11 -> Resto'ing to 2,2 and then cba !@#$ing arena. |
