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I'm not being selfish IMO, I'm more than happy to share the spirit gear with other healers. Much as I think dps should get prio on +hit gear, I think healers should get prio on +spirit gear. |
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Too selfish to tank... are you saying you have all tanking chars and no dps or healing chars... you do realise that it takes more than a tank to take a boss down.
I'm sure you do and you probably aren't a selfish jerk like your post suggests.... It's a no brainer why you can only roll on things which you can use for the roll you selected when you joined the raid. They actually want people to use LFG Raid and making loot fair is going to ensure there are as little disputes as possible. |
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Edited by Omirr on 25/11/11 14:43 (GMT)
No need to call names plz.. @Purnissa : Blame Blizzard for the Spirit to Hit conversion. If blizzard is putting in a Ring with Spirit / Haste, it's probably BiS for me as a shadowpriest and I'm not going to pass it to a healer. It's called overlapping loottables. BiS for you and BiS for me. That means we'll both Need on it with the highest roll winning the item. If you don't want to lose loot to people who have just as much right to get it as you, then I suggest you don't use LFR at all or join with 24 other people you know. Only in a guild run will you see healers getting priority on Spirit loot if there's an alternative available for the dps'ers. (For example, I won't get a Spirit/Haste neck soon with lootcouncil since there is a Hit/Haste neck as well in the loot tables). Because in a guild run, a different loot system is used. Right now, the LFR Loot Rules as pretty solid as it is. A lot of loot will go the players that can use it, within reason. Except for Druid and Shaman dps... |
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After that decision being made, I'd dare them to ask me heal. |
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I do blame Blizzard for this indeed. If you don't want to lose loot to people who have just as much right to get it as you, then I suggest you don't use LFR at all or join with 24 other people you know. I most likely won't indeed, perhaps once to try it and see if it's really as bad as I expect it to be. Only in a guild run will you see healers getting priority on Spirit loot if there's an alternative available for the dps'ers. (For example, I won't get a Spirit/Haste neck soon with lootcouncil since there is a Hit/Haste neck as well in the loot tables). Because in a guild run, a different loot system is used. Right now, the LFR Loot Rules as pretty solid as it is. A lot of loot will go the players than can use it, within reason. Except for Druid and Shaman dps... I guess it wouldn't be right to blame the shadow priests indeed. |
I would not fight over helms, shoulders, chests, legs and gloves since almost always people want tier ones for 4-set then they go for some specific offset piece. Nothing to fight over. But bracers, boots and belts? Cloth spirit will be wanted by all priests (3 specs) and hit cloths will be needed by 7 specs (warlocks, mages and shadow priests). When we move to cloaks or jewelry its complete disaster. Spirit will be rolled by priests (3spec), shamans(3spec), druids(2spec), paladins(1spec) = 9 specs from At least warlock tier13 is less loaded with hit than tier12. More room for offspec +hit gear. |
Rather than have people sign up as DPS they need to choose between Melee and Ranged DPS (orginally not my idea).It's kinda stupid. Better to check what spec he was in combat. There are various possible ways to check it, from the used abilities to do dps, to just checking tree he was specced. If that druid is FERAL, just don't give him bonus to roll int gear, all the philosophy. |
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Edited by Omirr on 25/11/11 15:07 (GMT)
But bracers, boots and belts? Well, in theory, you're right. A lot of people will need on Cloth with Hit Rating on. And Shadowpriests have the best spot in the Cloth department since they can use the Cloth pieces with Spirit on too. Rather than trying to narrow loot for players, Blizzard decided to make loot appealing for more specs. I rather lose a roll than not see an item for me drop at all (for example my Holy Paladin has killed Domo 20 times but I've never seen the Boots drop in 10 man) But in practice, for 4.3: Take a look at ALL the cloth belts, boots and wrists.. There isn't a lot of choice.. Exactly ONE of each piece, that will be needed by all 9 specs of clothies. Cloaks ? What cloaks ? There aren't any cloak that drop as far as I could see. Jewelry well .. I won't need on the Hit/Crit ring if that's the one you wanted... I'll need both the Spirit Haste ring and the Haste Mastery ring, which all Priests will choose. I did find only one Necklace in the loottables so I guess they are incomplete. But the one I'll wear is probably a Spirit / Haste necklace that's going to be needed on by probably all healers and hybrid dps specs... All in all that's not too bad, you either have no competition for loot with priests, or you'll have competition with all clothies because of lack of alternatives...
Check my previous posts plz.. So the extra healer or off-tank going dps for 1 fight has to give up his main spec loot ? That's gonna be popular. |
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You guys really do think it's as simple as
switch (player.Class)don't you...? |
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Edited by Omirr on 25/11/11 17:08 (GMT)
My Druid tank that had to go OS Moonkin on a 1 tank fight does not agree with you now that a Leather Agility belt dropped...
I think you should go work with Blizzard, since you don't see the problem as well... |
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Edited by Vessaë on 25/11/11 17:32 (GMT)
My Druid tank that had to go OS Moonkin on a 1 tank fight does not agree with you now that a Leather Agility belt dropped... As previously announced the Raid Finder will use an altered version of Need Before Greed that provides loot roll bonuses to those that have entered the raid in the role (tank, DPS, healing) that uses those items. I've emphasized the part of the text you seem to be oblivious to for some strange reason. |
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Edited by Omirr on 25/11/11 17:51 (GMT)
So it was a my Enhancement Shaman that went Elemental for one fight cause we needed more AoE.. My point is, rather than having to detect what spec the player is using, it's much easier to let them select it. Then you CHOOSE and you don't get whine about it...
I also think that you could run into a group with a lot of ranged or a lot of melee, and if you have ranged/melee selected you can more easily balance that out. |
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I have some concerns regarding dps casters being able to roll on spirit gear. As I understand it there are two main reasons for the spirit to hit conversion talents:
There are also balance issues and the idea of saving the best for last (4.3) to account for when discussing itemization this far in Cataclysm. On one side we have: On the other side: Considering the spirit to hit conversion talents already are in place the damage is done so to speak. While these talents clearly have something going for them, we're left with a question of lesser evils when it comes to loot distribution in LFR. |
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Thank you :)
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Gj on !@#$ing rogues/feral dps over. Especially if you get some b*stard healer who decides he needs for Offspec, and will be able to win that over people who actually need it..
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This is why I think it's bad idea to base the bonus on the roll on what spec the player was in when they killed the boss. It should be based on what they choose when they sign up in the dungeon/raid finder. Exactly, I like this. One spec to play, one spec to roll for. That would also solve my concern about gearing an off spec. Regarding the sudden change of role, that happens sometimes in the LFD as well. I've seen "tanks" in a damage dealing specialisation and gear, not even trying to tank. None of them did last long in the group. Same with pretending to be a healer. |
